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Jack Schaap Headed For Prison

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The system will not let me post the link to this article. These are quotes from the SouthTown Star (Chicago Sun Times):

The former minister of a Northwest Indiana megachurch plans to plead guilty to transporting a minor across state lines for sexual activity.

Jack Schaap, formerly of First Baptist Church of Hammond, said in a statement he was making the plea to spare the teen girl and his own family the trauma of a long legal battle.

Schaap’s attorney Paul Stracci read the statement Wednesday after Schaap’s initial appearance in federal court in Hammond, where he agreed not to contest being held in prison pending his change-of-plea hearing and sentencing. He could be sentenced to 10 years of prison in the agreement.


On Tuesday, Schaap was charged, the same day his plea agreement was filed. According to the agreement, federal attorneys will recommend Schaap spend 10 years in prison, the mandatory minimum. He also must register as a sex offender and pay an undetermined amount of restitution to the victim. He also has to forfeit his iPod, iPhone, an Olympus digital recorder, two flash drives, a Motorola Razr cell phone and a Canon digital camera.

In exchange, prosecutors in Illinois, Wisconsin and Lake County will not press any more charges.
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Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

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I just don't understand how a 54 year old man who is a pastor gets tangled up with a 17 year old girl. I'm 44 and I wouldn't be able to get a 17 year old girl to give me the time of day let alone this stuff (which, by the way, I am very thankful for!). This makes me think the girl herself was emotional insecure. Maybe she never had a father figure in the home.

This isn't the first pastor I know of that this has happened to. I can guarantee one thing it all started with him looking at porn on that computer of his.

I know some of the brethren would like to see the death penalty applied here but I think 10 years hard time is a bit harsh for fornicating with a 17 year old girl. But being a pastor and man of influence over people he's probably gonna get slammed hard.

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I don't understand it either, yet with that said, I can't help but think of this verse.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

To go along with the one that Dave posted.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

I feel for this man & the church he was pastor of.

I had a pastor friend go down due to drinking, & any way a pastor goes down is quite ugly.

This can happen.

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed

We need to be sure & not follow Jesus from afar, for them it is much more likely.

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Satan got a major victory there, he would never have been as successful at raising a stink if it were most other churches. He had tried to topple Bro. Hyles, and ruin his testimony, and he did to a few hard heads, but he really got his chance to wound the church in general in this incident.

Please pray for the heartbroken wife, who is innocent in this scandal, and for those who love their church and are heartbroken over these things. It must be a devastating embarrassment, and the whole gamut of feelings need to be dealt with now. Blessed be the name of the Lord, in spite of our foolishness!

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Satan got a major victory there, he would never have been as successful at raising a stink if it were most other churches. He had tried to topple Bro. Hyles, and ruin his testimony, and he did to a few hard heads, but he really got his chance to wound the church in general in this incident.

Please pray for the heartbroken wife, who is innocent in this scandal, and for those who love their church and are heartbroken over these things. It must be a devastating embarrassment, and the whole gamut of feelings need to be dealt with now. Blessed be the name of the Lord, in spite of our foolishness!


As one pastor pointed out, this incident is not about the fall of a good man but rather it is about the public exposure of a corrupt man who was the leader of a corrupt church.

Matthew 7:18 - "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

Matthew 12:33 - "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit."

Jack Schaap (obviously evil fruit) is the product of First Baptist Church in Hammond, Indiana (a corrupt tree).

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As one pastor pointed out, this incident is not about the fall of a good man but rather it is about the public exposure of a corrupt man who was the leader of a corrupt church.

Matthew 7:18 - "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

Matthew 12:33 - "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit."

Jack Schaap (obviously evil fruit) is the product of First Baptist Church in Hammond, Indiana (a corrupt tree).


It sure seems to be that way.

I've never been to FBC, nor do I know of Mr. Hyles or Schaap, only what I've read here and through other sources, and yes im aware that some of what I've read may lack in accuracy. It seems to me, and this is just a thought/opinion, that things like this "may" be more prevalent in a "mega" church? It seems to me, and anyone is free to correct me where my thinking is wrong, that in these huge churches, many times the atmosphere turns into man-worship nada away from worshipping God. Churches that are this large "can" provide the proper environment for a pastor to be so elevated, and so protected by his deacons, that the pastor cannot do any wrong. I've read, and again I cannot prove one way or another, that Mr Hyles claimed such power that if he told his deacons to drive up to Michigan and jump off of a bridge that they would out of obedience.

Take a look at the accusations against Lancaster and Mr. Chappell with regard to music. Are they not a "mega" church? If the accusations about music there are true, where does the fault lie? Could it possibly be because they may have grown too big?

Pastors and deacons are under a bigger microscope. We as Christians are also under a microscope, just maybe not as much as a pastor of a large church. Yes, the world would love to take any one of us down.

It seems to me that the "things" that have allegedly taken place at FBC under Mr. Schaap (and maybe Mr. Hyles) is what feeds the world to produce things such as the "20/20" report that was out a few months ago.

I am relatively new to IFB, having first becoming a member of one back in early 2007. In that church back in MO, our pastor would preach often about how no one, not even he, is above reproach, and also that he is not the final authority on the Bible, rather he would preach what God gave him. He was constantly challenging us to challenge his preaching, and that if we were unsure of anything he preached, that we should go to the KJB and prove or disprove his preaching. My first IFB pastor was very humble, but also very strong in preaching. When he would preach he would consistently ask God to speak through him and to not let his opinions get in the way of God's word. I'm in my 2nd IFB church (only because I moved 900 miles from my first one), and it too is under 100 on a Sunday morning. The pastor here also challenges us to get into our Bibles to validate his preaching.

There is something to be said about accountability. It sure seems like a certain level of accountability can be lost in such a large church, or any church where the pastor demands full unquestioned obedience to the man.

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Jack Schaap (obviously evil fruit) is the product of First Baptist Church in Hammond, Indiana (a corrupt tree).


Are you serious? You really do have some issues with that church don't you. It seems the only time you come into this forum it's for the purpose of nailing Jack Hyles and First Baptist. This makes me think there is a deeper issue going on with YOU.

If the church was so corrupt they wouldn't have outed him. If he was so corrupt I guarantee he wouldn't have laid down so easily for the law. Edited by Wilchbla

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I feel for this man & the church he was pastor of.

I had a pastor friend go down due to drinking, & any way a pastor goes down is quite ugly.




I agree with you Jerry. Too many of the brethren rejoice at this things so they can say "I told you so". None of this is good for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Not Jack Schaap's fornication nor the brethren who keep railing on him, Hyles and First Baptist. All these pastors who keep falling and backsliding is very troubling.

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Our Bible study yesterday was about Peter & his denials:
Watch ye and pray, lest ye e
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o temptation. The spirit truly [is] ready, but the flesh [is] weak.



That is what happens when one follows Jesus from afar.

Mt 26:58 But Peter followed him afar off unto the high priest's palace, and went in, and sat with the servants, to see the end.

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I agree with you Jerry. Too many of the brethren rejoice at this things so they can say "I told you so". None of this is good for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Not Jack Schaap's fornication nor the brethren who keep railing on him, Hyles and First Baptist. All these pastors who keep falling and backsliding is very troubling.


I don't believe they rejoice. I've read some of Mr. Schaap's sermons, & his teachings, they point to trouble. It was just a matter of time. And it may well be this church was not forth coming until someone outside, or secretly from the inside, reported this matter to the police.

That said if I sat under a pastor that preached the sermons he did, I would have left if something was not done, in order to get out from among them. Yet that does not keep m from feeling for this church & pastor.

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I don't believe they rejoice.


Go over to Fighting Fundamentalist forum and you'll see a lot of them rejoicing and wanting to see him get the most severe punishment as possible so they can say "I told you so."

I have never heard Schaap preach nor have I ever read anything by him. I am quit familiar with Jack Hyles though and I never came across any of the things they claim he said. Maybe it was different in private but from all the tons of sermons I listened too from the 70's and 80's I never heard him preach any of these crazy things folks claim he did.

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Go over to Fighting Fundamentalist forum and you'll see a lot of them rejoicing and wanting to see him get the most severe punishment as possible so they can say "I told you so."

I have never heard Schaap preach nor have I ever read anything by him. I am quit familiar with Jack Hyles though and I never came across any of the things they claim he said. Maybe it was different in private but from all the tons of sermons I listened too from the 70's and 80's I never heard him preach any of these crazy things folks claim he did.

The FF forum is full of fleshly folks who love to let their emotions carry them away. That place isn't a reliable source, pro or con.

As to the matter of these pastors, I know very little about them. I've checked out a few websites folks have pointed me to. One of them seemed rather fair, the others seemed agenda driven. I've heard of folks who claim to have personal experience with them and their church and hear mostly very pro or very con comments with very little in between.

I don't know that there are grounds to say these weren't men of God and were all bad. It could be they were men of God who made bad decisions or even allowed themselves to give into temptation which led to gross sin. After all, David, a man after God's own heart gave into temptation which led to adultery, murder and more. It took time, and God sending the prophet Nathan to confront him, before David faced his sins, repented and was restored to a right relationship with God.

Whatever the case may be it's a sad thing and has and is reaping much confusion and ill attention.

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Go over to Fighting Fundamentalist forum and you'll see a lot of them rejoicing and wanting to see him get the most severe punishment as possible so they can say "I told you so."

I have never heard Schaap preach nor have I ever read anything by him. I am quit familiar with Jack Hyles though and I never came across any of the things they claim he said. Maybe it was different in private but from all the tons of sermons I listened too from the 70's and 80's I never heard him preach any of these crazy things folks claim he did.


In the post of mine your replying to I did not mention Fighting Fundamentalist forum. So I stated nothing about them, the ones I referred to, that were not rejoicing because of the fall that's being discussed, are those posters on this forum. I have no idea why your bringing them up.


And the internet is at your hands, & you can find out all about both of these pastors if you wish. And if you want to defend them, do so. I know enough about both of them to know I would not want to be part of that church.

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I take strong issue with anyone claiming that FBC of Hammond is a corrupt church. If this is based on a church full of sinners, then the foolish statement needs some clarification; all churches are corrupt if having sinners as members is the criteria.

It's simple to throw around some slippery and nasty labels but a church founded on The Bible and which is still following the old paths can hardly be called corrupt. If it is, the corruption better be glaring before one feels comfortable making a public statement like that.

I am not attempting to pull more foolish negative remarks out into the open; I would rather that you keep your baseless pronouncements in your prayer closet. I am merely trying to balance those remarks with something accurate and glorifying to our savior.

As a former member who moved to another state to work full time for our Lord in a position of Christian media, and with whom I have strong ties with family and staff still there, I know for a fact that folks get saved there in extremely large numbers every week. Lives are changed, broken marriages are put back together, and many are turned to Christ for the long reaching influence of First Baptist Church of Hammond.

I would think it quite obvious that when a man, even the leader of a church, breaks, and falls into sin, or jumps headlong deliberately if it be the case, that everyone would realize that this is a time to lift up the survivors, pray for them, send them your love. Not quickly rush to stomp them further down than they are already feeling.

As ironic as it is. Mrs. Schaap is the author of a book that has helped to promote the great ministry of a Biblical wife. I produced that book into one of my company's first books on tape. I worked with Mrs. Schaap and her assistant to record her reading of "A Wife's Purpose" to digital audio. It took two full days and I must say that there was never a more Godly group of people to be around than the Schaaps and the Hyles family.

These are sincere, sweet people just doing what they can for The Lord.

When one casts dark labels at "the church", they are talking about the people, not the institution. The Greek word Ekklesia is from where we get our transliterated word "church". "A called out body of believers with a purpose", with a strong emphasis on the "called out" part. This is obviously the good folk that attend church often and build their lives around their local church, deliberately and with purpose. They "go in and come out" in their every day lives as they serve our Lord locally in their church. To say that they are corrupt is confusion and makes no sense at all. They are just as corrupt as the one who made the accusation, We are all corrupt and deserve Hell. But for Christ's work on the cross and His defeat of Death by His Resurrection, there would be no hope for us as we would have nothing for which to hope.

The one glaring point of this whole mess is not the mistake of the man, which is over and done with; but the remaining hurting hearts of the "survivors." I have not spoken with the family as I am barely an acquaintance and have nothing to offer but my prayers. But I would hope that Mrs. Schaap could find it in her heart to somehow forgive and support Bro Schaap. Not because he deserves it, quite directly for the opposite reason, because he does not deserve it. The Christ like attitude of forgiveness is a completely separate issue from the circumstances that are precipitate from Bro Schaap's dreadful actions. I'm sure that many are expecting Bro Schaap to be alone in this as Mrs. Schaap turns her back in shame. That would be what the World would expect.

"What about the victim?" you ask. Yes, she has been victimized. She has been hurt, and by someone who she should have been able to trust; her parents should have been able to trust her safety with Bro Schaap. He broke several rules; some of them of his own making as he was alone with someone of the opposite sex, and so on and etcetera.

She is the first and foremost victim. But not the only victim.

The Gospel has suffered greatly. Christ is a victim.

The church suffers greatly. Every family and individual is a victim for a time as folks can point at them in public or behind their backs and claim, "They go to THAT church." And, people can get on public forums like this and say anything they want without any responsibility to accuracy; further harming the cause of Christ.

Summary.
-Bro Schaap has made a serious error, broken a law and committed one of the worst sins that a man of his position can commit. The young girl involved has been sexually violated and her life will never be the same; her family also hurt and devastated.
-Bro Schaap was found guilty and today, September 26, 2012 is being sentenced to at least ten years in prison.
-His wife and children are certainly devastated and their lives will never be the same.
-The folks at FIrst Baptist Church are also devastated and hurting.

These are the facts, if not completely described in unnecessary detail.

Now is not the time to get our kicks in, but to prove our salvation was real by being good Christians. Love, pray and beg for God's leadership and strength.
God is still on the throne.

Hey, did it ever occur to you that you might find yourself living next door to Bro Schaap in Heaven some day?

Sincerely,

Stu Marks
a saved sinner
"There, but for the grace of God, go I"

Edited by Stu Marks

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Summary.
-Bro Schaap has made a serious error, broken a law and committed one of the worst sins that a man of his position can commit. The young girl involved has been sexually violated and her life will never be the same; her family also hurt and devastated.
-Bro Schaap was found guilty and today, September 26, 2012 is being sentenced to at least ten years in prison.
-His wife and children are certainly devastated and their lives will never be the same.
-The folks at FIrst Baptist Church are also devastated and hurting.



Sincerely,

Stu Marks
a saved sinner
"There, but for the grace of God, go I"

Prayers are needed for all involved with the intent of there being healing, restoration, and growth in Christ going forward.

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I just don't understand how a 54 year old man who is a pastor gets tangled up with a 17 year old girl. I'm 44 and I wouldn't be able to get a 17 year old girl to give me the time of day let alone this stuff (which, by the way, I am very thankful for!). This makes me think the girl herself was emotional insecure. Maybe she never had a father figure in the home. She was 16 when things started, so I'm just not real clear on why at least one of her parents wasn't in on the counseling. I know if I had a minor daughter who had experienced that kind of abuse (for which she was being counseled by him), I wouldn't allow her to counsel alone with any man!

This isn't the first pastor I know of that this has happened to. I can guarantee one thing it all started with him looking at porn on that computer of his. Unfortunately, porn has been and is one of the biggest downfalls for men - and now that it is so easily accessible on the net, it's even worse!

I know some of the brethren would like to see the death penalty applied here but I think 10 years hard time is a bit harsh for fornicating with a 17 year old girl. But being a pastor and man of influence over people he's probably gonna get slammed hard. 10 years is the minimum because he took her over state lines - it is a federal punishment because the federal age of consent is 18 (and 10 is what the prosecution is recommending). He would not have been punished in IN because of IN's age of consent. However, had he not pled, he would have been eligible to be tried in both IL and MI, as well as federally. So 10 years is actually going to be light considering that he could have gotten life (it is permissible in these type cases).

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I just don't understand how a 54 year old man who is a pastor gets tangled up with a 17 year old girl. I'm 44 and I wouldn't be able to get a 17 year old girl to give me the time of day let alone this stuff (which, by the way, I am very thankful for!). This makes me think the girl herself was emotional insecure. Maybe she never had a father figure in the home.

This isn't the first pastor I know of that this has happened to. I can guarantee one thing it all started with him looking at porn on that computer of his.

I know some of the brethren would like to see the death penalty applied here but I think 10 years hard time is a bit harsh for fornicating with a 17 year old girl. But being a pastor and man of influence over people he's probably gonna get slammed hard.



I just read this post and was laughing (not at you) at the beginning the way you worded it ;)

It's not the age or looks it's the power. When someone is in a certain position people are drawn to them and will do things they would normally never do. It's like when you meet a very charismatic man (as a woman) who is commanding and strong in personality you find yourself responding very differently then you normally would. I could be wrong but I think it's a daddy complex of sorts. You look to someone who is older and commanding to guide you as maybe your father or Uncle did when you were young. Or maybe they are lacking that and seek it in him. Even at my age I can get see that in myself.

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