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At KJB Only Bible Colleges do they teach the student to use lexicons, & such, or to trust the words use in the KJV of the Bible?

I would like the answer to come from someone that has attended a KJB only college.

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May I ask, if they claim their exclusively KJ yet they go to the Greek, teach Greek, can they be what they say they are.

I know many of our posters are KJ only, yet some still go back to the Greek some, & others quite a bit, maybe a few, never.

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You didn't ask if they were or not -- you asked if any that claim to be KJ did these things.

Question answered.

It's kind of like trying to state, "Here's what ALL Baptist believe, what ALL Methodist believe, or ALL Pentecostals believe". I know a Pentecostal church that believes that all saved speak in tongues and one that doesn't, a Methodist church that believes in eternal security and one that doesn't, a Baptist church that is KJVO and one that isn't.

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I studied for a while through TBDI (http://www.tbdi.org/)and I know they are a KJB only college yet I can't remember ever been told catergoriaclly not to. I personnally will not use a dictionary or lexicon to get the meaning of a paasage or behind a word as I beleieve the context of the passage will always supply the required meaning - this is plain understanding of english - if the meaning is not immediatly obvious a little digging in the chapter will reveal it every time. I will however use them to get a little historical background to the author or setting for some deeper understanding if required.

I personally believe the KJB is plain enough without creating confusion from the opinions of others.

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May I ask, if they claim their exclusively KJ yet they go to the Greek, teach Greek, can they be what they say they are.

I know many of our posters are KJ only, yet some still go back to the Greek some, & others quite a bit, maybe a few, never.


OK, I've never been to a college but I have owned tape recordings of classes taking place in a bible institute (KJV Only). The teacher said they taught Hebrew and Greek for a couple reasons:

1) Like I mentioned before in another post, because most Christians won't give you the time of day if you don't know these things. If you don't sound educated or know the "original languages" they won't listen to you.

2) So you can debate the bible scholars on their own level.

3) To prove that at the end of the day that the bible correctors really don't care what the original languages say or what the manuscript evidence reveals.

4) To strengthen the believers faith in the preservation of the word of God. Edited by Wilchbla

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I studied for a while through TBDI (http://www.tbdi.org/)


This is a very good school. I've been to a revival at Dr. Estep's church where Dr. Peacock was one of the preachers and I can still to this day 17 years later remember the message he preached. Also, the best book I've ever owned on dispensationalism was written by Dr. Walker.

I will use a lexicon to give me the meaning of proper names and that's it. Edited by Wilchbla

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Yep, some of the KJB colleges do teach Greek - and even Hebrew! :bigshock: The one my hubby attended does teach Greek. And, in fact, the dean of that college has his master's in ancient languages (concentrating on Greek and Hebrew). And he's never attempted to "correct" the KJB, and he is strongly KJB.

If the purpose of learning Greek or Hebrew were to correct the KJB, that would be error. But there is no sin in learning those languages. I know when I took Greek in college it was simply because I wanted to learn the language - not to correct anything. The Greek my hubby had wasn't for correcting, either.

I think we have to be careful of a reverse type of snobbery...again, learning those languages is not a sin. Nor is it a sin to desire to look up the meaning of a word. Ba-ruther!

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Wilchbla - agreed, excelent school but far more focused on teaching how to preach and rightly divide the Word than on "theology". More a focus on hands on than head knowledge. And though I have no problem using Hebrew and Greek and the studies of other great men - I will never take my doctrine or understanding of God's Word from them - this comes from His preserved Word - the KJB. I know the Baptist college here in SA no longer teaches that we are to be taken up and some of the other founding doctrines. But then a lot of the baptists lost the plot years ago.

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Wilchbla - agreed, excelent school but far more focused on teaching how to preach and rightly divide the Word than on "theology". More a focus on hands on than head knowledge.


Yes, if I remember right it was a requirement to go soul winning even if you took their correspodence course.

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Yes, if I remember right it was a requirement to go soul winning even if you took their correspodence course.


Every Saturday - oh how my flesh cringed - led more to the Lord in that short period than in my whole life. Had the pleasure of meeting Dr Peacock when he visited South Africa and hearing him preach in the flesh was a blessing - very unnassuming and humble man.

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I studied for a while through TBDI (http://www.tbdi.org/)and I know they are a KJB only college yet I can't remember ever been told catergoriaclly not to. I personnally will not use a dictionary or lexicon to get the meaning of a paasage or behind a word as I beleieve the context of the passage will always supply the required meaning - this is plain understanding of english - if the meaning is not immediatly obvious a little digging in the chapter will reveal it every time. I will however use them to get a little historical background to the author or setting for some deeper understanding if required.

I personally believe the KJB is plain enough without creating confusion from the opinions of others.


:amen:

I'm in agreement with you.

There was a time I was not, I thought it was good to use Strongs & such. But when you start using Lexicons thus saying this word is not the right word, this one is, them your changing the meaning of the KJ Bible, & your not really a KJ Bible only.

I do think its great to use the Webster's 1828 Dictionary, much better than using a modern Webster's.

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Those that read & teach Greek today are so far removed from those who wrote the Bible, plus they are so far removed from those that translated the KJ Bible too. There is no way to know if modern day readers of Greek is getting the same meaning that the originals meant, nor those that translated the KJ Bible meant by going back to the original word. If the KJB is God’s Word, them you do not need that. Of course the most critical thing is to be saved, sadly many churches had rather check out the person education than their salvation.

I will stay with my KJ, trusting it much more than those that try to correct the KJ Bible. No put down, many that read Greek put their self down, by saying I read Greek, trust me, I can read the originals. Them during their sermon they spend 5 minutes, if not longer, defining words, many times changing what the KJ means, & sometimes.

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Here is an excerpt from Heartland Baptist Bible College's Doctrinal Statement:

I. THE SCRIPTURES

We believe the Holy Bible was written by men supernaturally inspired; that it has truth for its matter without any admixture of error; that it is and shall remain to the end of the age the only complete and final revelation of the will of God to man; and that it is the true center of Christian union and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions should be tried.

A. We believe the Authorized (King James) Version, Old and New Testaments, is the Word of God kept intact for English-speaking peoples by way of God's divine providence and work of preservation; and that the Authorized Version translators were not "inspired," but were merely God's instruments used to preserve His words for English-speaking peoples.

B. By Holy Bible we mean that collection of sixty-six books, from Genesis to Revelation, which, as originally written and providentially preserved, does not only contain and convey the Word of God, but is the very Word of God.

C. By inspiration we mean that the books of the Bible were written by holy men of God as they were moved by the Holy Ghost in such a definite way that their writings were supernaturally and verbally inspired and free from error, as no other writings have ever been or ever will be inspired.

D. By providentially preserved we mean that God through the ages has, in His divine providence, preserved the very words that He inspired; that the Hebrew Old Testament text, as found in the Traditional Masoretic Text, and the Greek New Testament text, as found in the Textus Receptus, are indeed the products of God's providential preservation and are altogether the complete, preserved, inerrant Word of God.

E. We therefore believe and require that the Authorized Version (King James Version) be the only English version used and or endorsed by the staff, faculty, and student body of this college.

Here is the link for the school's website: http://www.heartlandbaptist.edu/

Hope this answers your question.

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In the end it's faith. Do you trust that God preserved His Word? We can never know the original meaning nor why the translators chose that particular meaning - but we do know God promised to preserve His Word and even though He did do just that we still read it wrong sometimes and come up with our own translation to suit our own ends from His preserved Word. Must take dogs and wife to beach - will continue later.

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I agree - Webster's 1828 is a great dictionary. And thank you, Jerry, for saying "many that read Greek" rather than everyone. It is true that many who read Greek believe that they are above others who cannot. But it isn't true of everyone. The dean of our college is one of the most humble men I've ever met (I used to be his teacher, anon many years ago, so I've known him most of his life). I also worked for Joe Boyd (he was an evangelist who trained preacher boys for many years) for a few years. He actually read a Greek New Testament often. And I don't remember him ever correcting the KJB. Nor boasting about knowing Greek (I found out about the Greek NT from someone who saw him - he never mentioned it).

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He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. Isaiah 53:7

Many KJB words, don't mean the same thing they do in modern useage. Even context doesn't help for some. That's why some need a Lexicon or a dictionary.

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He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. Isaiah 53:7

Many KJB words, don't mean the same thing they do in modern useage. Even context doesn't help for some. That's why some need a Lexicon or a dictionary.

Ex 4:11; Ps 38:13; Prov 31:8; Isa 35:6; Ezek 3:26; 24:27; 33:22; Mt 9:32-33; 12:22; 15:31; Mk 7:37; Lk 11:14; are all sufficiently clear in defining the word -- justification for a concordance. Edited by Old fashioned

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My alma mater (PCC) uses the KJV exclusively. Though I do not recommend PCC for Preacher Boy's. I took 4 years of Greek while in college. I do use a lexicon, a greek-English Dictionary from the late 1800's.

I believe that the KJV is the preserved Word of God for English speaking people, but every time a translation is made, things are lost in the translation. I find that the Websters dictionary is almost as good as a lexicon, but grammar and words in Greek can help you understand why the translators did what they did.

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My alma mater (PCC) uses the KJV exclusively. Though I do not recommend PCC for Preacher Boy's. I took 4 years of Greek while in college. I do use a lexicon, a greek-English Dictionary from the late 1800's.

I believe that the KJV is the preserved Word of God for English speaking people, but every time a translation is made, things are lost in the translation. I find that the Websters dictionary is almost as good as a lexicon, but grammar and words in Greek can help you understand why the translators did what they did.


I would like to disagree with you on just one point. The Bible says in Psalms 12:7 -

Ps 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

While word for word there are differences, if we take God at what He said, contextually and in meaning you could translate the Bible into any language and not lose any of the purity of Scriptures.

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I believe that the KJV is the preserved Word of God for English speaking people, but every time a translation is made, things are lost in the translation.


Where do you get this from? Do you have a scripture to back this statement? My bible says ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God. The context of the passage is in reference to copies too.

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