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Hammond Pastor Dismissed For ‘Improper Relationship With Young Woman’

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While I agree that Schaap is no longer qualified to pastor a Church, (per 1 Timothy 3:1-7) I also have to say that Church he pastored is not adhering to Biblical guidelines concerning the pastors role and the deacons role in the Church. There is no such thing as a board of deacons in the Word of God. Deacons were appointed to take care of the physical needs of the Church and to adhere to the qualifications set forth for deacons in 1 Timothy 3:8-13.

Nothing in the Biblical guidelines for deacons gives them the authority to fire a pastor.


Yep that is what I thought a few years ago, a few deacons came up with some story about how wicked our pastor was he came out to us stating he never done such junk.

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Good question, salyan.

I reckon the congregation should remind the pastor of the qualifications of a pastor and let him know he is no longer qualified to fill that position.

But then again, the flock is not to govern the shepherd, is it?

What would be the right thing if the pastor refused to step down?

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1 Timothy covers the proper way to handle issues with the Pastor. It is similar to how any church member is handled.
1Ti 5:19 -20
Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

When the elder (pastor) is found to be in sin, the sin should be brought to him before 2 or 3 witnesses (Same as Matt 18, just not the individual alone). If the pastor's sin disqualifies him from the Pastorate, the church needs to rebuke him before all and remove him from his position.

The Pastor is not a supreme ruler and if he is disqualified, he should step down or be removed.

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Good call, Pastorj.

I assume that the ones doing the "rebuking" would be associate pastors since according to Acts 20, the Church is supposed to have more than one Elder (Pastor/Bishop)?

And what of a small Church that has only one pastor, (not biblical, but there are hundreds that do only have one pastor) who rebukes the sinning pastor in that case?

Edited by Standing Firm In Christ

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He should only retain an attorney if he is innocent of the charges.
Since he has admitted before the board of deacons that he committed the crime, he should not look for loopholes in the legal system to get a lighter sentence or no sentence at all.


Thank you pastorj.

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SFIC - The rebuking is not limited to an elder. It is written to the church and they are not to rebuke an elder unless they have 2 or 3 witnesses which is different than Matt 18. In Matt 18, they are to go to the brother alone.

I believe the reason that God eliminates this step for the elder (pastor) is to protect the Pastor from ridiculous charges. The purpose of the witnesses is to hear the charge against him (without having heard it before) and to make their own judgment as to whether the offense needs to be brought before the church.

Too many times, the witnesses are fully informed of the charges and they are not witnesses, they are co-complaintants at that point.

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Age of consent is 16 in Indiana. So why are any of the authorities involved? Looks like a lot of grandstanding going on from the police and FBI. There's nothing more they can legally do to this man unless he took her over the state line. Then he could be prosecuted under that state's law. Say they went to Chicago together. The age of consent is 17 there. Then they could nail him.

Edited by Wilchbla

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Age of consent is 16 in Indiana. So why are any of the authorities involved? Looks like a lot of grandstanding going on from the police and FBI. There's nothing more they can legally do to this man unless he took her over the state line. Then he could be prosecuted under that state's law. Say they went to Chicago together. The age of consent is 17 there. Then they could nail him.

From Friday Church News Notes:
(It is reported that “the girl was taken to Illinois and Michigan for Schaap’s interludes,” Mark Kiesling, “50 Shades of Jack Schaap,” nwi.com.)

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Hi everybody,
I know that it has been a long time since I have posted anything here, let alone logged in to say hello. I do have to comment on this topic though. After reading all that there is to read, and knowing what I know abot the situation and the church, I've been wondering something. Nobody has said who took the picture. I'm just wondering if the girl and whoever, if anybody else that was involved, was trying to play a little extortion game with the Schaaps. If they were it definitely backfired when he admitted to the affair. The church did do the right thing by firing him, and he did the right thing by admitting to it, but I still wonder about the picture. Also, the person who found the phone, did he decide to get a bit nosy, and scroll through the phone or did the picture just pop up in a text message that came across as he was carrying the phone? If so, and the picture did just "pop up", I'd be looking at that person really hard as far as maybe having an angle in and extortion attempt. Just some thoughts, either way I do believe that this is God's way of cleaning house in that church. The ripples have just begun, I suspect that there will be more churches and pastors and/or deacons get washed out with this mess.

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Isn't it ironic though that those who accuse the members of FBC of worshiping Dr. Hyles, when it was the deacons that decided on firing him? Nothing wrong with showing your pastor that you love him, if it is done properly, (which this was not). I just thought it might disprove to some scorners that there is a difference in worshiping and showing appreciation and loyalty. I know that the word "loyalty" is not in the Bible, but faithfulness is, and that may be similar.

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From Friday Church News Notes:
(It is reported that “the girl was taken to Illinois and Michigan for Schaap’s interludes,” Mark Kiesling, “50 Shades of Jack Schaap,” nwi.com.)


Michigan is 16 also. Looks like Mr. Schaap did his research on where he could take her. What a shame.

I know personally of a pastor who good involved with a 17 year old woman. He could have gone to jail for this in Pennsylvania but the judge and the girl's parents gave him a break. The problem with this pastor was he put himself in a place of no accountability. He also justified leaving his wonderful wife on the basis that when they got married (they were both unsaved at the time) it wasn't legitimate in the eyes of God and the state because they were both drunk and down in Mexico when they got married. I know too that he was involved in porn. One day a bunch of us guys were helping him clean out his office and I found a folder of Playboy pictures that he had stored away. I never said anything and burned them along with the rest of the stuff. You never questioned this man. He was one of these, "touch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm" type of preachers. The "man of God" who was always right no matter what and preached it from the pulpit too. Well, he lost his ministry, many of his friends, his testimony, his joy and probably his assurance of salvation. Last I heard he was a bus mechanic up in Washington state.

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Hi everybody,
I know that it has been a long time since I have posted anything here, let alone logged in to say hello. I do have to comment on this topic though. After reading all that there is to read, and knowing what I know abot the situation and the church, I've been wondering something. Nobody has said who took the picture. I'm just wondering if the girl and whoever, if anybody else that was involved, was trying to play a little extortion game with the Schaaps. If they were it definitely backfired when he admitted to the affair. The church did do the right thing by firing him, and he did the right thing by admitting to it, but I still wonder about the picture. Also, the person who found the phone, did he decide to get a bit nosy, and scroll through the phone or did the picture just pop up in a text message that came across as he was carrying the phone? If so, and the picture did just "pop up", I'd be looking at that person really hard as far as maybe having an angle in and extortion attempt. Just some thoughts, either way I do believe that this is God's way of cleaning house in that church. The ripples have just begun, I suspect that there will be more churches and pastors and/or deacons get washed out with this mess.


He had an affair with her and that's all that matters. The conspiracies involved don't really matter. He has ruined his life and brought more embarrassment to the IFB churches plus shaken the faith of weaker and newbie Christians. How did this man really think this was going to turn out? Affairs between 16 old girls and 50 something year old married men never work out right. Especially men who pastor mega-churches.

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Age of consent is 16 in Indiana. So why are any of the authorities involved? Looks like a lot of grandstanding going on from the police and FBI. There's nothing more they can legally do to this man unless he took her over the state line. Then he could be prosecuted under that state's law. Say they went to Chicago together. The age of consent is 17 there. Then they could nail him.


What was the age when it began, was it before this person was 16?

Doesn't that need to be checked out thoroughly?

A 50 something year old pastor, & a 16 year old girl that might have been underage when it began.

As far as I'm concerned this pastor abuse his position of authority doing much damage to a young girl. If it started before 16 will he admit it? Edited by Jerry80871852

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What was the age when it began, was it before this person was 16?

Doesn't that need to be checked out thoroughly?

A 50 something year old pastor, & a 16 year old girl that might have been underage when it began.

As far as I'm concerned this pastor abuse his position of authority doing much damage to a young girl. If it started before 16 will he admit it?


This is what they probably will check out. But it sounds to me that Mr. Schaap made sure he went only so far as not to end up in jail.

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This is what they probably will check out. But it sounds to me that Mr. Schaap made sure he went only so far as not to end up in jail.


And that is why the police need to be involved, to see if it started before she was 16, if so, they need to nail him. If it was someone older I feel sure they would never called them.

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What do you expect from a guy who compares receiving the Lord's supper to a husband and wife having sex? First Baptist Church should have canned him as soon as those words went into print. A corrupt mouth leads to a corrupt life (and is an indicator of already corrupt life).

The question has been raised on how to dismiss a pastor in a scriptural manner. The answer is church discipline. But most independent Baptist churches don't believe in church discipline.

Jack Schaap should never be allowed in any independent Baptist church unless he truly repents and apologizes for his filthy mouth, his filthy mind, and his filthy actions. He should be stripped of his degrees and his ordination certificate should be revoked (permanently).

One final thought: First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana should dissolve and close its doors. The church is a disgrace to the independent Baptist community. Hyles Anderson should also close as well since it is also a disgrace to the independent Baptist community.

Edited by brosmith

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What do you expect from a guy who compares receiving the Lord's supper to a husband and wife having sex? First Baptist Church should have canned him as soon as those words went into print. A corrupt mouth leads to a corrupt life (and is an indicator of already corrupt life).

The question has been raised on how to dismiss a pastor in a scriptural manner. The answer is church discipline. But most independent Baptist churches don't believe in church discipline.

Jack Schaap should never be allowed in any independent Baptist church unless he truly repents and apologizes for his filthy mouth, his filthy mind, and his filthy actions. He should be stripped of his degrees and his ordination certificate should be revoked (permanently).

One final thought: First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana should dissolve and close its doors. The church is a disgrace to the independent Baptist community. Hyles Anderson should also close as well since it is also a disgrace to the independent Baptist community.



Bro smith, you're a little hard on the good people who have not erred. The "church" is not at fault, only one man, and that has been dealt with. it would behoove all of us to mind our own business now, and go on. I only hope that some other skeletons of those mouthing off do not come out of the closet.

My son attends there, and had his girlfriend going (she is Catholic) with him, I just hope that the Lord gives her the grace to stay with it. If what one man does can destroy us, and make us so bitter, we ought to fall on our knees and beg God for forgiveness. I, in no way, condone what bro Schaap has done, but there is more to the church than him. I Just feel for those that are left to deal with it now. Many college students, preparing for the ministry can be discouraged, and all the more so when we keep adding fuel to the fire.

With me, your opinion matters little, but others may fall because of your post. have you ever thought of that? I think that negative talk such as you are promoting stinks, and I hope I never fall under the axe of your scathing remarks.

Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. Edited by irishman

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One final thought: First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana should dissolve and close its doors. The church is a disgrace to the independent Baptist community. Hyles Anderson should also close as well since it is also a disgrace to the independent Baptist community.


Wow, overreacting a little wouldn't you say?

Even Jesus gives churches a space to repent before removing their candlestick (Rev. 2:5). Edited by Wilchbla

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What do you expect from a guy who compares receiving the Lord's supper to a husband and wife having sex? First Baptist Church should have canned him as soon as those words went into print. A corrupt mouth leads to a corrupt life (and is an indicator of already corrupt life).

The question has been raised on how to dismiss a pastor in a scriptural manner. The answer is church discipline. But most independent Baptist churches don't believe in church discipline.

Jack Schaap should never be allowed in any independent Baptist church unless he truly repents and apologizes for his filthy mouth, his filthy mind, and his filthy actions. He should be stripped of his degrees and his ordination certificate should be revoked (permanently).

One final thought: First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana should dissolve and close its doors. The church is a disgrace to the independent Baptist community. Hyles Anderson should also close as well since it is also a disgrace to the independent Baptist community.


I think the proper thing would be for him to turn in his ordination certificate to the church that presented it, repenting & confessing what he has done for bring so much shame on the Savior. Letting that church decided if he should keep it, or forfeit it. But it seems to many pastors acts if they have to answer to no one, that they are the ONLY authority.

And your right, that teaching he came up with on the Lord's Supper was strictly false teachings of the worse kind.

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Schaap's ordination should be turned in. He is no longer qualified to pastor a Church per 1 Timothy 3's guidelines.

As to the Church shutting its doors, I dunno. Seems I read an instance in the Bible about a man who was having an affair with his step-mother... and the saints at the Church did nothing except write Paul for advice as to how to handle it.

Did Paul write back and tell the saints to close the doors to that Church? Not that I can tell. He told them to put that offender out of the Church.

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Schaap's ordination should be turned in. He is no longer qualified to pastor a Church per 1 Timothy 3's guidelines.

As to the Church shutting its doors, I dunno. Seems I read an instance in the Bible about a man who was having an affair with his step-mother... and the saints at the Church did nothing except write Paul for advice as to how to handle it.

Did Paul write back and tell the saints to close the doors to that Church? Not that I can tell. He told them to put that offender out of the Church.


Most of the time in such situations the pastor just moves to a new area where he is not known, but with him that would be difficult, yet I suspect there's a church out there that would accept him as pastor feeling he would be a draw to gain members & grow.

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