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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

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Not to be a nemesis here, but I wouldn't recommend people read it. I haven't read the book, but I've read reviews and listened to one person who read the book 9 times in order to grasp the details...

Cahn takes a little too much licence in applying things to America that were prophesied for Israel. Some of his similarities are stretched too far from what I understand. America isn't Israel, and what was prophesied for Israel...was for Israel.

Cahn denies it, but his book borders on Replacement Theology...

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Your right and I agree America isn't Israel but it is fiction and I should have finished the book before commenting on it. Thanks for your comments.


Hi Jotselou! I hope you didn't feel that I was attacking you, because I wasn't. :)

I listened to a lengthy interview with Cahn, and he stated that how he got the idea for the book was a sermon that he preached to his church; in which, he compared the prophecies in Isaiah to what happened in New York when the terrorists attacked on 9/11. According to him, his congregation encouraged him to somehow get that message out, because they felt more people needed to hear it...so, he wrote "a fictional book based on real events and biblical prophecies."

The problem lies in this, though it is fictional, it's presented in a way in which people take it literally. People are coming away from reading the book convinced that the prophecies for Israel's doom are being applied to America. Again, I haven't read the book, but I've heard enough about it (from trustworthy sources) to know that there are theological problems with the book.

Since I haven't read the book, what I'm about to say may be a little vague...but there is one prophecy in particular...something about a tree that was destroyed and replaced (?)...according to what I've learned, the tree (in Cahn's book) wasn't actually the same kind of tree mentioned in the prophecy; however, Cahn searched until he found a Bible version (or manuscript) that would help him "prove" his point.

With that said, I know several sound fundamentalists who read the book, enjoyed it, and recommend it. However, they too come away with the same ideas; in that, the similarities are there...like Israel, this country is in trouble...like Israel, the judgment of God is on this country...etc...

I agree that America is in trouble, but I personally don't agree with someone using scripture out of context, twisting it, and applying it to suit their own motives in order to prove their point...even if they come to the same conclusions. We are free to read whatever we want; I just wish the people who read "The Harbinger" weren't so quick to accept it as truth...but unfortunately, the majority are.

It's never right to do wrong in order to do right.

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Thankyou sooo much for your insight. It is very helpful and I agree whole heartily. Others should see this and know that it is fiction and not take it literally. You helped me in remembering that. This is a great place to get info and I enjoy this site as a source of information so keep it coming! :goodpost: Thanks again.

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Thankyou sooo much for your insight. It is very helpful and I agree whole heartily. Others should see this and know that it is fiction and not take it literally. You helped me in remembering that. This is a great place to get info and I enjoy this site as a source of information so keep it coming! :goodpost: Thanks again.


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The Harbinger-A Matter of Critical Discernment

by T. A. McMahon

The Harbinger is a novel that is becoming very popular among both Christians and non-Christians, even reaching the top of the New York Times best-seller list at this writing. What makes it worthy of review, like other books that we have addressed, is that it offers an important opportunity for believers to exercise critical discernment. In this case, author Jonathan Cahn believes that he has discovered prophetic signs from God that are found in the Old Testament and directly apply to the United States, referring in particular to the events surrounding the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Because The Harbinger ( TH ) is a fictional novel with a large dose of nonfiction added (Scripture), this critique involves two aspects: 1) a personal, subjective opinion, and 2) a more objective consideration of the author’s application of Scripture in his novel.

Whenever we read a fictional story or see a movie, our evaluation is almost always subjective, e.g., what we like or don’t like about it. As the untutored art critic might say, “I don’t know anything about art, but I know what I like!” Even an art aficionado with some expertise rarely gets beyond the subjective, although he has a great deal more criteria than the everyday art lover for evaluating a work of art. In the end, it’s still just his opinion.



In my opinion, The Harbinger is a poor script. I say “script” because it reads more like a script than like a novel, lacking nearly all of the elements that go into making a first-rate work of fiction. It tries to fit into the genre of National Treasure and The Da Vinci Code but fails miserably in my view—and I’m hardly an admirer of The Da Vinci Code. The redundancy throughout the book borders on being insufferable. If it were eliminated, TH could easily have been reduced to half its size. In addition, the dialog is repetitious, yet little if any insight into the story’s characters is provided, with the result that we don’t get to know them any better than we would a stranger whom we might sit next to on a three-minute subway ride.



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Upon the recomendation of a friend, I've just finished reading this book and do recommend it. I've also listened to a 5 part interview about the book, and have done some look up of reviews of the book, both pro and con.

First and foremost, it is written as fiction. That is evident from the beginning, so no one should be deceived from that standpoint. Someone complained about a lack of "character development" in the story line. They missed the point. The focus of this book isn't about the charcters in the book, themselves. Enough info is given to carry the story line. That was all that was needed.

The book revolves around Isaiah 9:10 (KJB)
10 The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.

There's been much discussion about the species of tree that was toppled when the Twin Towers fell. This is a relatively minor point, IMHO. I haven't researched it in depth and will tell why in a moment. From what I understand, since the NY tree doesn't grow in the middle East, there is a species there of the same family, which is comparable in qualities (strength/durability). Thus, it serves the purpose given in the verse quoted above. If we question that in depth, we also open the can of worms regarding the name of the tree chosen by the KJB translators. The author's point was that the replacement cedar was "better" than the one toppled. Just as hewn stone is "better" than bricks.

One thing I like about the book are the extensive footnotes that allow many points made in the book to be checked. Dates of events following 9-11 for example. Some may write those off as just coincidences. A word that I rarely ever use anymore. With God at the helm, it's growing increasingly difficult to shrug off happenings as "just coincidences", whether in our own daily lives or elsewhere.

As we read and study the Bible, we can often see parallels between what happened in blibical history and what we see happening today. This author has chosen to draw a parallel between Isaiah 9:10, 9-11 and afterwards. Oh, and at the founding of this country, too, that ties some seemingly unrelated events together.

Whether you agree or disagree with the parallel, IMHO, the book is well worth reading. Simply because it will make you think, if you allow that to happen. Accept it as history is repeating itself or challenge the premise. Use the scriptures, use the references given, and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. Form your own opinion, as you are led to do so.

In closing, I read a borrowed copy that I had to return as soon as I finished reading it. I hope to have another copy soon to read a second time. This time with a pen, paper, and keyboard at hand. It's one of the few books that I've encountered in recent years that I want to read again. (Other than the Bible, as I'll never "finish" reading God's word.)

Just my 2-cents for whatever pennies may be worth to you these days.

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Hmm - I read a lot. And I do mean a lot. Both non-fiction and fiction. There's a lot to be said in many fiction books, and many authors put in a lot of work to make them realistic. I'd rather read a good fiction book than watch a movie.

Oldtimer, thanks for your input. I may just read the book now.

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Hmm - I read a lot. And I do mean a lot. Both non-fiction and fiction. There's a lot to be said in many fiction books, and many authors put in a lot of work to make them realistic. I'd rather read a good fiction book than watch a movie.

Oldtimer, thanks for your input. I may just read the book now.


If you do read it, how about adding your review, pro or con. TIA
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I am surprised at reviews from those that have not taken the time to read the book. In all politeness, if yu haven't read it for yourself, you should refrain from reviewing it. Someone else's opinion may differ from yours once you read it. Just like many of the political debates before us now, all are "experts" in what they say. No matter how good of sources you may think they are, get your opinion from your own perception of what is being said. I have read the book, and found it one I couldn't stop reading. It has been a while since I have had a book such as this one. It may be true that we are not Israel, but even Paul says that the things written in the old testemant were writted for us to use as a guide, and that we were to use it to live our faith by, to benefit our lives we live in Christ. We (those living in Christ Jesus) are now God's means of showing who He is to a dying world, (to whom the Israelites were chosen to be before Christ) that they may know to Whom they can run to and seek shelter from the storms of life, and God commands us to live our lives by the two laws of love; Love God with Your whole heart, mund , soul and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. and in so doing, you ovserve all the other laws. Yes, we as believers are under the same laws as Israel, but we now see them through the eyes of love. When we walk in the love of Christ, then we will obey all the laws of God. But, when we fail, then we will walk in the consequences of disobedience, which would seem to be what is happening here in the United States today. Take it as a fictional story, but also take from it the truths that are written within it. It was the same as the parrables that Jesus told. Many blew them off as only stories, but there was a very important spiritual message in each of those stories. So, I encourage anyone that has not read this book yet due to fear is is not of God and may mislead people, to read it and ask God to allow you to see the spiritual truths that are the underlining messages to the church in this story. It can really help guide you in a way you can pray for this nation as a whole. Amen?

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We can read Psalm 106 and see the similarities between ancient Israel and America. In that one Psalm we can see the results of following the Lord and turning from Him and how such effects a nation, a people, individuals. Through this Psalm we can find a multitude of prayer needs for our nation and see the need for us to live Christ for others to see and for spreading the Word and making disciples.

We can gain all this, and so much more, from the reading of one Psalm, one short chapter in the Word of God.


Hebrews 4:12

King James Version (KJV)

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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Here's an interesting critique of The Harbinger from Lighthouse Trails Blog:

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=9653

Yet, compelling as this all may be, The Harbinger has created some upheaval among several ministries. Some feel that Cahn, being a messianic rabbi, should not be questioned due to his deep insight into the Scriptures, and any criticism is nothing less than blasphemous and anti-Semitic. Now while we at Lighthouse Trails have witnessed, to our great sorrow, anti-Semitic sentiments even among Christians, Jonathan Cahn’s being Jewish does not exempt him from godly discernment. So, while Scripture urges us to “Despise not prophesyings” (1 Thessalonians 5:20), it also instructs us to “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). However, forming a definite opinion on The Harbinger has been difficult. As we have thought about this, we have come to realize we are dealing with a subject loaded with conflicting issues; hence this book perhaps raises more questions than it answers, and it is difficult not to form more than a single opinion of the book.

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Here's an interesting critique of The Harbinger from Lighthouse Trails Blog:

http://www.lighthous...om/blog/?p=9653

Yet, compelling as this all may be, The Harbinger has created some upheaval among several ministries. Some feel that Cahn, being a messianic rabbi, should not be questioned due to his deep insight into the Scriptures, and any criticism is nothing less than blasphemous and anti-Semitic. Now while we at Lighthouse Trails have witnessed, to our great sorrow, anti-Semitic sentiments even among Christians, Jonathan Cahn’s being Jewish does not exempt him from godly discernment. So, while Scripture urges us to “Despise not prophesyings” (1 Thessalonians 5:20), it also instructs us to “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). However, forming a definite opinion on The Harbinger has been difficult. As we have thought about this, we have come to realize we are dealing with a subject loaded with conflicting issues; hence this book perhaps raises more questions than it answers, and it is difficult not to form more than a single opinion of the book.

Sounds like the book puts forth confusion, which isn't good.
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A Must Listen for Discerning Christians:

Breaking News! Today Brannon plays a powerful presentation by Pastor Eric Douma of Twin City Fellowship. Days before Jonathan Cahn appears in the Twin Cities, Pastor Douma is warning of the dangerous theological issue with Cahn’s book. Pastor Douma has done his Biblical homework and lays out point by point the serious theological errors of Cahn’s book. After listening to this program if someone can still defend Cahn’s book and theology then I think we have to seriously question their discernment and commitment to the authority of Scripture not to mention their lack of ability to study the Bible in context. Be sure to listen and post to your Facebook page.
Click here to listen now:
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-radio/play.php?id=showsFlat-22722

Shocking Video Clip: God Launched The Harbinger Book by Using Jim Bakker?
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8466

The Harbinger--A Matter of Critical Discernment By T. A. McMahon of the Berean Call
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8325

A Critical Look at the Harbinger by Dr. Tommy Ice:
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8392

A Commentary on The Harbinger: A Warning About The Harbinger by Christine Pack
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8385


The Harbinger: Revealing-or Concealing-America's "ancient mystery"? by Mark Dinsmore of The Berean Call
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8405


Chris Rosebrough Short Circuits Jonathan Cahn and the Harbinger
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8451


Jonathan Cahn Harbinger of Discernment Gone Wild?
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8443

The Harbinger: Review and Commentary by Pastor Larry DeBruyn
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/mobile/view-article.php?articleid=8391

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Welcome everyone. May I suggest that you navigate to The Pepster's Post: a Voice in Cyberspace for more information on The Harbinger and its critics. I am examining Pastor Eric Douma's meassage titled, Can the Bible Mean What It Never Meant, and would warn those who've not listened to it yet of the following that he employs:
1.) Eric is applying Aristotalian Logic to the Bible regarding to create a premise that does not exist - that Cahn claims to be a prophet. I know Jonathan Cahn personally for over ten years; he has never made this claim. He does not make it in his book.
2.) Eric Douma claims that Cahn is revealing new revelation, because of his use of the word "mystery" and "secret" and other such words, and therefore since he is not a prophet, Douma infers, Cahn cannot reveal secrets. Pastor Douma misses the point; Jonathan Cahn is not claiming new revelation, nor is he claiming to be a prophet, and his use of the words he employs is in the context of God revealing through His Holy Spirit the knowledge of what His Word teaches, what is already contained in the written word - Sola Sciptura. When Cahn employs such words as "mystery" and others like "secret", he is doing it in context of 1Corinthians 2.
To the unsaved the Bible is a closed book and its context, mysteries and secrets.
Some websites in complete ignorance of the facts have accused Cahn of being a Gnostic, or a Kabbalist, or even worse a false prophet because he has often used Extra-Biblical literature such as the writings of the rabbis to help illustrate the fact that even hostile witnesses within Judaism unknowingly support the truth of the Bible.
He's even been accused wrongly of elevating the writings of the rabbis to that of the Holy Scriptures and the rabbis to the status of the prophets. Absolute hyperole and nonsense. Like many of the finest Bible schoars and teachers of our times have done themselves; he uses historical, archeological, and the writings of the rabbis to help illustrate and support what the Bible says.
I am working on an effective rebuttal to Eric Douma's broad generalizations and wrong conclusions at the moment and will post it on The Pepster's Post: a Voice in Cyberspace in due time, Lord willing.
But, I would suggest to everyone here to be very discerning, because there is much falsehoods being spoken about The Harbinger from the critic's circle, and as yet I have not noticed any references here to Joseph Farrah's web site at World Net Daily, nor have I noticed Dr. Michael Brown's website as one recommended for further reading on The Harbinger; only those sites which come from a Dispensation Theology and one of extreme Cessationsim, which forms the foundation of the critics hermeneutics and their misunderstandings.

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An FYI for those who wish to know about The Harbinger, I am in the process of reading it, and the book criticizing it The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction, and have posted some of my observations. I am working on a book of my own from my own examination of the relevant material and plan to publish it in due time, Lord willing. I will keep everyone posted on this.

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