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Not to be a nemesis here, but I wouldn't recommend people read it. I haven't read the book, but I've read reviews and listened to one person who read the book 9 times in order to grasp the details...

Cahn takes a little too much licence in applying things to America that were prophesied for Israel. Some of his similarities are stretched too far from what I understand. America isn't Israel, and what was prophesied for Israel...was for Israel.

Cahn denies it, but his book borders on Replacement Theology...

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Your right and I agree America isn't Israel but it is fiction and I should have finished the book before commenting on it. Thanks for your comments.


Hi Jotselou! I hope you didn't feel that I was attacking you, because I wasn't. :)

I listened to a lengthy interview with Cahn, and he stated that how he got the idea for the book was a sermon that he preached to his church; in which, he compared the prophecies in Isaiah to what happened in New York when the terrorists attacked on 9/11. According to him, his congregation encouraged him to somehow get that message out, because they felt more people needed to hear it...so, he wrote "a fictional book based on real events and biblical prophecies."

The problem lies in this, though it is fictional, it's presented in a way in which people take it literally. People are coming away from reading the book convinced that the prophecies for Israel's doom are being applied to America. Again, I haven't read the book, but I've heard enough about it (from trustworthy sources) to know that there are theological problems with the book.

Since I haven't read the book, what I'm about to say may be a little vague...but there is one prophecy in particular...something about a tree that was destroyed and replaced (?)...according to what I've learned, the tree (in Cahn's book) wasn't actually the same kind of tree mentioned in the prophecy; however, Cahn searched until he found a Bible version (or manuscript) that would help him "prove" his point.

With that said, I know several sound fundamentalists who read the book, enjoyed it, and recommend it. However, they too come away with the same ideas; in that, the similarities are there...like Israel, this country is in trouble...like Israel, the judgment of God is on this country...etc...

I agree that America is in trouble, but I personally don't agree with someone using scripture out of context, twisting it, and applying it to suit their own motives in order to prove their point...even if they come to the same conclusions. We are free to read whatever we want; I just wish the people who read "The Harbinger" weren't so quick to accept it as truth...but unfortunately, the majority are.

It's never right to do wrong in order to do right.

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Thankyou sooo much for your insight. It is very helpful and I agree whole heartily. Others should see this and know that it is fiction and not take it literally. You helped me in remembering that. This is a great place to get info and I enjoy this site as a source of information so keep it coming! :goodpost: Thanks again.

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Thankyou sooo much for your insight. It is very helpful and I agree whole heartily. Others should see this and know that it is fiction and not take it literally. You helped me in remembering that. This is a great place to get info and I enjoy this site as a source of information so keep it coming! :goodpost: Thanks again.


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The Harbinger-A Matter of Critical Discernment

by T. A. McMahon

The Harbinger is a novel that is becoming very popular among both Christians and non-Christians, even reaching the top of the New York Times best-seller list at this writing. What makes it worthy of review, like other books that we have addressed, is that it offers an important opportunity for believers to exercise critical discernment. In this case, author Jonathan Cahn believes that he has discovered prophetic signs from God that are found in the Old Testament and directly apply to the United States, referring in particular to the events surrounding the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Because The Harbinger ( TH ) is a fictional novel with a large dose of nonfiction added (Scripture), this critique involves two aspects: 1) a personal, subjective opinion, and 2) a more objective consideration of the author’s application of Scripture in his novel.

Whenever we read a fictional story or see a movie, our evaluation is almost always subjective, e.g., what we like or don’t like about it. As the untutored art critic might say, “I don’t know anything about art, but I know what I like!” Even an art aficionado with some expertise rarely gets beyond the subjective, although he has a great deal more criteria than the everyday art lover for evaluating a work of art. In the end, it’s still just his opinion.



In my opinion, The Harbinger is a poor script. I say “script” because it reads more like a script than like a novel, lacking nearly all of the elements that go into making a first-rate work of fiction. It tries to fit into the genre of National Treasure and The Da Vinci Code but fails miserably in my view—and I’m hardly an admirer of The Da Vinci Code. The redundancy throughout the book borders on being insufferable. If it were eliminated, TH could easily have been reduced to half its size. In addition, the dialog is repetitious, yet little if any insight into the story’s characters is provided, with the result that we don’t get to know them any better than we would a stranger whom we might sit next to on a three-minute subway ride.



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Upon the recomendation of a friend, I've just finished reading this book and do recommend it. I've also listened to a 5 part interview about the book, and have done some look up of reviews of the book, both pro and con.

First and foremost, it is written as fiction. That is evident from the beginning, so no one should be deceived from that standpoint. Someone complained about a lack of "character development" in the story line. They missed the point. The focus of this book isn't about the charcters in the book, themselves. Enough info is given to carry the story line. That was all that was needed.

The book revolves around Isaiah 9:10 (KJB)
10 The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.

There's been much discussion about the species of tree that was toppled when the Twin Towers fell. This is a relatively minor point, IMHO. I haven't researched it in depth and will tell why in a moment. From what I understand, since the NY tree doesn't grow in the middle East, there is a species there of the same family, which is comparable in qualities (strength/durability). Thus, it serves the purpose given in the verse quoted above. If we question that in depth, we also open the can of worms regarding the name of the tree chosen by the KJB translators. The author's point was that the replacement cedar was "better" than the one toppled. Just as hewn stone is "better" than bricks.

One thing I like about the book are the extensive footnotes that allow many points made in the book to be checked. Dates of events following 9-11 for example. Some may write those off as just coincidences. A word that I rarely ever use anymore. With God at the helm, it's growing increasingly difficult to shrug off happenings as "just coincidences", whether in our own daily lives or elsewhere.

As we read and study the Bible, we can often see parallels between what happened in blibical history and what we see happening today. This author has chosen to draw a parallel between Isaiah 9:10, 9-11 and afterwards. Oh, and at the founding of this country, too, that ties some seemingly unrelated events together.

Whether you agree or disagree with the parallel, IMHO, the book is well worth reading. Simply because it will make you think, if you allow that to happen. Accept it as history is repeating itself or challenge the premise. Use the scriptures, use the references given, and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. Form your own opinion, as you are led to do so.

In closing, I read a borrowed copy that I had to return as soon as I finished reading it. I hope to have another copy soon to read a second time. This time with a pen, paper, and keyboard at hand. It's one of the few books that I've encountered in recent years that I want to read again. (Other than the Bible, as I'll never "finish" reading God's word.)

Just my 2-cents for whatever pennies may be worth to you these days.

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Hmm - I read a lot. And I do mean a lot. Both non-fiction and fiction. There's a lot to be said in many fiction books, and many authors put in a lot of work to make them realistic. I'd rather read a good fiction book than watch a movie.

Oldtimer, thanks for your input. I may just read the book now.

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Hmm - I read a lot. And I do mean a lot. Both non-fiction and fiction. There's a lot to be said in many fiction books, and many authors put in a lot of work to make them realistic. I'd rather read a good fiction book than watch a movie.

Oldtimer, thanks for your input. I may just read the book now.


If you do read it, how about adding your review, pro or con. TIA
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I am surprised at reviews from those that have not taken the time to read the book. In all politeness, if yu haven't read it for yourself, you should refrain from reviewing it. Someone else's opinion may differ from yours once you read it. Just like many of the political debates before us now, all are "experts" in what they say. No matter how good of sources you may think they are, get your opinion from your own perception of what is being said. I have read the book, and found it one I couldn't stop reading. It has been a while since I have had a book such as this one. It may be true that we are not Israel, but even Paul says that the things written in the old testemant were writted for us to use as a guide, and that we were to use it to live our faith by, to benefit our lives we live in Christ. We (those living in Christ Jesus) are now God's means of showing who He is to a dying world, (to whom the Israelites were chosen to be before Christ) that they may know to Whom they can run to and seek shelter from the storms of life, and God commands us to live our lives by the two laws of love; Love God with Your whole heart, mund , soul and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. and in so doing, you ovserve all the other laws. Yes, we as believers are under the same laws as Israel, but we now see them through the eyes of love. When we walk in the love of Christ, then we will obey all the laws of God. But, when we fail, then we will walk in the consequences of disobedience, which would seem to be what is happening here in the United States today. Take it as a fictional story, but also take from it the truths that are written within it. It was the same as the parrables that Jesus told. Many blew them off as only stories, but there was a very important spiritual message in each of those stories. So, I encourage anyone that has not read this book yet due to fear is is not of God and may mislead people, to read it and ask God to allow you to see the spiritual truths that are the underlining messages to the church in this story. It can really help guide you in a way you can pray for this nation as a whole. Amen?

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We can read Psalm 106 and see the similarities between ancient Israel and America. In that one Psalm we can see the results of following the Lord and turning from Him and how such effects a nation, a people, individuals. Through this Psalm we can find a multitude of prayer needs for our nation and see the need for us to live Christ for others to see and for spreading the Word and making disciples.

We can gain all this, and so much more, from the reading of one Psalm, one short chapter in the Word of God.


Hebrews 4:12

King James Version (KJV)

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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Here's an interesting critique of The Harbinger from Lighthouse Trails Blog:

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=9653

Yet, compelling as this all may be, The Harbinger has created some upheaval among several ministries. Some feel that Cahn, being a messianic rabbi, should not be questioned due to his deep insight into the Scriptures, and any criticism is nothing less than blasphemous and anti-Semitic. Now while we at Lighthouse Trails have witnessed, to our great sorrow, anti-Semitic sentiments even among Christians, Jonathan Cahn’s being Jewish does not exempt him from godly discernment. So, while Scripture urges us to “Despise not prophesyings” (1 Thessalonians 5:20), it also instructs us to “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). However, forming a definite opinion on The Harbinger has been difficult. As we have thought about this, we have come to realize we are dealing with a subject loaded with conflicting issues; hence this book perhaps raises more questions than it answers, and it is difficult not to form more than a single opinion of the book.

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Here's an interesting critique of The Harbinger from Lighthouse Trails Blog:

http://www.lighthous...om/blog/?p=9653

Yet, compelling as this all may be, The Harbinger has created some upheaval among several ministries. Some feel that Cahn, being a messianic rabbi, should not be questioned due to his deep insight into the Scriptures, and any criticism is nothing less than blasphemous and anti-Semitic. Now while we at Lighthouse Trails have witnessed, to our great sorrow, anti-Semitic sentiments even among Christians, Jonathan Cahn’s being Jewish does not exempt him from godly discernment. So, while Scripture urges us to “Despise not prophesyings” (1 Thessalonians 5:20), it also instructs us to “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). However, forming a definite opinion on The Harbinger has been difficult. As we have thought about this, we have come to realize we are dealing with a subject loaded with conflicting issues; hence this book perhaps raises more questions than it answers, and it is difficult not to form more than a single opinion of the book.

Sounds like the book puts forth confusion, which isn't good.
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A Must Listen for Discerning Christians:

Breaking News! Today Brannon plays a powerful presentation by Pastor Eric Douma of Twin City Fellowship. Days before Jonathan Cahn appears in the Twin Cities, Pastor Douma is warning of the dangerous theological issue with Cahn’s book. Pastor Douma has done his Biblical homework and lays out point by point the serious theological errors of Cahn’s book. After listening to this program if someone can still defend Cahn’s book and theology then I think we have to seriously question their discernment and commitment to the authority of Scripture not to mention their lack of ability to study the Bible in context. Be sure to listen and post to your Facebook page.
Click here to listen now:
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-radio/play.php?id=showsFlat-22722

Shocking Video Clip: God Launched The Harbinger Book by Using Jim Bakker?
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8466

The Harbinger--A Matter of Critical Discernment By T. A. McMahon of the Berean Call
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8325

A Critical Look at the Harbinger by Dr. Tommy Ice:
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8392

A Commentary on The Harbinger: A Warning About The Harbinger by Christine Pack
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8385


The Harbinger: Revealing-or Concealing-America's "ancient mystery"? by Mark Dinsmore of The Berean Call
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8405


Chris Rosebrough Short Circuits Jonathan Cahn and the Harbinger
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8451


Jonathan Cahn Harbinger of Discernment Gone Wild?
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8443

The Harbinger: Review and Commentary by Pastor Larry DeBruyn
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/mobile/view-article.php?articleid=8391

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Welcome everyone. May I suggest that you navigate to The Pepster's Post: a Voice in Cyberspace for more information on The Harbinger and its critics. I am examining Pastor Eric Douma's meassage titled, Can the Bible Mean What It Never Meant, and would warn those who've not listened to it yet of the following that he employs:
1.) Eric is applying Aristotalian Logic to the Bible regarding to create a premise that does not exist - that Cahn claims to be a prophet. I know Jonathan Cahn personally for over ten years; he has never made this claim. He does not make it in his book.
2.) Eric Douma claims that Cahn is revealing new revelation, because of his use of the word "mystery" and "secret" and other such words, and therefore since he is not a prophet, Douma infers, Cahn cannot reveal secrets. Pastor Douma misses the point; Jonathan Cahn is not claiming new revelation, nor is he claiming to be a prophet, and his use of the words he employs is in the context of God revealing through His Holy Spirit the knowledge of what His Word teaches, what is already contained in the written word - Sola Sciptura. When Cahn employs such words as "mystery" and others like "secret", he is doing it in context of 1Corinthians 2.
To the unsaved the Bible is a closed book and its context, mysteries and secrets.
Some websites in complete ignorance of the facts have accused Cahn of being a Gnostic, or a Kabbalist, or even worse a false prophet because he has often used Extra-Biblical literature such as the writings of the rabbis to help illustrate the fact that even hostile witnesses within Judaism unknowingly support the truth of the Bible.
He's even been accused wrongly of elevating the writings of the rabbis to that of the Holy Scriptures and the rabbis to the status of the prophets. Absolute hyperole and nonsense. Like many of the finest Bible schoars and teachers of our times have done themselves; he uses historical, archeological, and the writings of the rabbis to help illustrate and support what the Bible says.
I am working on an effective rebuttal to Eric Douma's broad generalizations and wrong conclusions at the moment and will post it on The Pepster's Post: a Voice in Cyberspace in due time, Lord willing.
But, I would suggest to everyone here to be very discerning, because there is much falsehoods being spoken about The Harbinger from the critic's circle, and as yet I have not noticed any references here to Joseph Farrah's web site at World Net Daily, nor have I noticed Dr. Michael Brown's website as one recommended for further reading on The Harbinger; only those sites which come from a Dispensation Theology and one of extreme Cessationsim, which forms the foundation of the critics hermeneutics and their misunderstandings.

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An FYI for those who wish to know about The Harbinger, I am in the process of reading it, and the book criticizing it The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction, and have posted some of my observations. I am working on a book of my own from my own examination of the relevant material and plan to publish it in due time, Lord willing. I will keep everyone posted on this.

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For those who wish to hear something new on this post about The Harbinger and get a handle on the critics of this amazing book, I submit this post. I know Rabbi Cahn personally, and have known him for over ten years.

He has been accused of everything from being a mystic who promotes Theosophy, to being a Kabbalist, to being a Gnostic, to promoting the Zohar and elevating the writings of the rabbis to the status of the Holy Scriptures, with the rabbi being on equal par with the prophets. Nonsense. Utter nonsense.

Jonathan Cahn is not a mystic; he is not a Kabbalist, or a Gnostic, nor does he promote Theosophy, Scientology, or any other aberrant beliefs. He does not consider The Zohar, the Talmud, the rabbinic writings as inspired, nor has he ever elevated the rabbis to status of prophets. Those who contend that he does are bearing false witness against him and his book and his teachings.

His use of passages in The Zohar, the rabbinic writings of the Talmud, and many of the writings of Judaism are employed as "hostile witnesses" in reinforcing the truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ by Rabbi Cahn, as they are often used by scholars and apologists to support the veracity of the Scriptures and their reliability, just they and he have used archeology as evidence of the Bible's historicity.

In a court of law, this is called the use of the hostile witness for either cross examination, and it is used quite often by the best lawyers to develop and support their case. This is how Rabbi Cahn uses these writings, and how any Christian, Messianic Jew, or historian employs them, I know firsthand, because I also have used them this way.

What is it about this that these people (The Harbinger's critics) fail to comprehend, and why do they make these absurd connections and voice these outlandish charges against this man and this book? This question requires a book of its own and I am at work on it as I write this.

For those who wish to read both sides of the story, there are two websites that I recommend they go to, and even recommend WND to link up to, and they are my own site THE PEPSTER's POST: A VOICE IN CYBERSPACE, and FAITH'S CORNER. Both sites address the critics with cogent, and clear, and honest Biblical answers, and allow their points of view to be posted and addressed accordingly.


Faith's Corner has been on top of this since The Harbinger was published late last year and earlier this year, and has devoted quite a bit of well-reasoned, well-studied, and clear, cogent analysis of these critics and what they say. Kudos to her. I highly recommend her site. She's been on this since the beginning of the controversy.
Both Faith and I have been in direct contact on a one to one basis with one of the critics of The Harbinger; and speaking strictly for myself, I have come to realize that this person, who will remain nameless; has a predilection to read more into what one writes or says than the original intent given.

He also jumps almost immediately to conclusions that simply are not true and not there. He is extremely distrustful, and no matter what efforts one makes to clarify the issue, or to bring it to an amicable end, there is always the question of one's personal veracity being brought into question. He also takes any criticisms, or disagreements with his book and criticisms of The Harbinger very personally.
I have also realized by careful study of their book, and the several postings they've made on their web sites that there are several underlying problems to their approach of Cahn's book, and they are the following:

1.) They interpret into Cahn's writings and teachings things neither his writings or teachings ever intended to say, though they quote him at length.
2.) They do this by loading meanings into words that the words do not possess within the context of Cahn's book.
3.) They make semantical issues out words such as "mystery/ies," "secret/s," "prophetic," "inspired," and other adjectives employed by Cahn, and give them Cahn does not. Cahn simply uses such words and phrases in the context of 1Corinthans 2. As I’ve written elsewhere before, “To the unsaved the Bible is a closed book and its context, mysteries and secrets.” Paul makes this distinction in this entire chapter.
4.) They come to incorrect conclusions based upon incorrect predetermined premises that have compromised their study with bias.
5.) They are quick to make conclusions upon their flawed data.
6.) They have and continue to promote these conclusions and these accusations against Cahn regardless of efforts to explain clearly the meaning of what he has written.
7.) They are bearing false witness against Jonathan Cahn and against his book The Harbinger, and against everyone who supports it, including WND's excellent documentary on The Harbinger; The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment.
8.) They have embarked on an all-out campaign against The Harbinger and Jonathan Cahn, and are in full throttle mode promoting their own book against it.
9.) They claim to have allowed Jonathan Cahn multiple chances to address their charges. I have spoken with Jonathan Cahn about this myself. I know the man, I have looked him right in the eye, and have asked him about this; whether or not it is true. It is not. I personally know Jonathan Cahn. I do not know these men, and it has become quite evident to me that their distrusting ways and duplicitous methods of attacking other Christians whom they disagree with doctrinally by hiding behind the mantle of "discernment" and "apologetics" is far short the of Biblical mark, though they can quote Scripture to justify what they have done.
10.) They have taken a bold yet un-Biblical approach to "discernment" by targeting a fellow believer - yes, Jonathan Cahn is a mainline born again believer in Israel's Messiah, and a firm apologist for the faith.
11.) Because two or three well trusted "discernment" ministries are at play, the deception is great, because it comes from a corner of Protestant Christianity that many Christians have respected and supported through the years. It has become a veritable Trojan Horse within the very Body of Christ, to sow division and derision between Christians.
12.) They charge The Harbinger and Jonathan Cahn with sowing division in the Body, yet The Harbinger and Jonathan Cahn's teachings came long before the current campaign of marginalization and misinformation they have embarked upon, and it wasn't until they created the controversy that the division began to arise. Therefore their charge that Cahn started the division is false and baseless by the evidence.
13.) They (Eric Douma) have used Aristotelian Logic mixed with Cessationist/Hyper-Dispensational Theology as their hermeneutic to criticize Cahn's teachings and his book.
14.) Because of this, their premise, their analysis based upon this premise, and their conclusions are all incorrect, and I will (Lord willing) make this plain in the book I am currently at work on and will publish in due time as the Lord wills.
15.) One other thing the critics of The Harbinger have done is accuse Jonathan Cahn of Supersessionism (also known as Replacement Theology), because they confuse Cahn’s mention of the Pilgrim’s belief in America as a new kind of “Land of Promise” – a “New Israel,” and in their Compactthe Pilgrim’s own Covenantal declaration for God’s blessings upon the land and its inhabitants as long as they keep His commandments and honor Him as their God, and George Washington’s own Covenantal affirmation for God’s blessings upon the new nation, speaking as its leader (as Solomon did when he dedicated the Temple in Jerusalem); both as being a type of their own version of covenant relationship with the Almighty, and therefore because Cahn mentions this in his book , the critics of The Harbinger accuse him of Replacement Theology. Jonathan Cahn has never taught Supersessionism, and has in fact been a critic of it wherever its reared its ugly Anti-Semitic head.

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"Guilt by association?" They accused Christ of being a wine bibber and a glutton; a friend of the tax collectors and a sinner, because of the company He kept. Are we to do the same? No, of course not. Actually, The Harbinger has both supporters and critics on both sides of the Evangelical Protestant Divide. The biggest problem with the pure Cessationists is that any phrase, any word, any noun, pronoun, adjective, adverb, preposition, etc....that might appear to them to be a hint of a "revelation" or a "sign" when actually Cahn is using it to mean insight into a matter of Scriptural import and is referring to the clay seals in the story that are the "signs" of the events they represent is where The Harbinger's critics have gone completely awry and have weaved their protestations against to form a false narrative they have embarked on promoting, perhaps to help their waning ministry.

The fact that they have lost all reasoning on this topic is evidenced by the manner they respond to concise Biblical challenges to their arguments when presented to them. When faced with the facts that they have created nothing but a straw man controversy applying semantical gymnastics over words that they determine mean one thing when actually they mean quite another within the story; they insist that their analysis is the correct one. Yes, even when it is explained to them that the meaning they give Cahn's book is not what the story says.

I have spoken with Cahn, I have read his book, I know what he means when he employs words such as sign, mystery, etc.. and it is within the context of the story itself. You read the book, you realize that the clay seals depicting each Harbinger is a sign, much in the context of an Exit or Stop sign one sees when travelling a road. And as to mystery that is revealed, no Cahn is not practicing divination as one claims in a Sunday school sermon he gave at his church, but Cahn employs the word in the context of 1Corinthians 2, where the Apostle Paul studies the dichotomy between the regenerative man and the unregenerate man, and the two separate world views the two have and the completely different lives each leads, and how they understand things.

When Cahn speaks of mysteries, he is referring to the fact that the Holy Scriptures and what they contain are both a mystery and a sealed book to the unsaved, not some new revelation or new prophecy outside of the cannon of Scripture that is to be treated as authoritative as the Bible as these people charge.

That's simply absurd and completely groundless. Those who make such charges know themselves that this is not true; they are merely using hyperbole, and in so doing creating a false witness against Cahn that should not exist. This is very serious.

I would strongly suggest that everyone who follows and reads this trend, purchase or borrow a copy of The Harbinger and read it for themselves, and not be allowed to be influenced by people whose premise in entirely incorrect, and whom have formed conclusions based upon those incorrect premises, all based upon unsupported charges concerning semantical questions about the meanings of words Cahn uses that do not have the meanings they give it.

And as to whether or not any nation other than Israel can have its own covenant with the God of all Creation, I recommend everyone do a serious study of what the Bible says about this, and how it applies both to individuals, communities, organizations, and yes; nations. A covenant is a contract between two parties. Do the homework, and discover for yourselves just how far off these critics of The Harbinger are regarding correct hermeneutics and the concise application of Biblical exegesis when studying and expounding the Word of Almighty God. Thank you.

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To All,

I have read Harbinger. I think it is well worth reading by anybody that likes bible prophecy. Incite into prophecy is not shared by everyone. To me, the book describes America's place in prophecy today. I am an author of a prophecy book that is unknown and unread called America's last Warning. There are many passages that can be understood now that we are near the end which point to America in the bible. When I read Harbinger It seamed like it was a prequel to my book. I recommend Harbinger.

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One of the critics of The Harbinger has written: I found the dialog between Kaplan and Goren labored and tedious. It is not well written from a literary point of view. But what bothered me even more were the assumptions and manipulations presented as biblical truth. Even some of his historical presentations are not entirely accurate. It begins with Cahn's belief that Ancient Israel and modern America are the only two nations in history that were founded on the Word of God and uniquely dedicated to God's purpose. In reality many differences exist, however. Israel was found as a theocracy. The United States was not. In fact the Constitution clearly states that the United States is prohibited from establishing or endorsing any religion. In the truest sense, then, the United States is a secular nation. Even though many of the founding fathers were known to mention the name "God" from time to time, this cannot be construed as a desire to make the United States a "Christian Nation". Indeed, quite the opposite was true. Such quotes must be understood as little more than political jargon intended to win the support of potential voters.

MY RPELY: It is amazing how two or more people who hold the same basic faith in God through faith in Christ, can read a book and walk away with two completely different opinions of the same book, but this is what has happened with The Harbinger. I understand when you write “I found the dialog (sic) Kaplan and Goren labored and tedious.” I understand you, and I must confess myself that personally for me, I found the book difficult to read; but that is a matter of personal preference and taste. We can understand that two different people can read the same book, watch the same film, or listen to the same song, and come away with completely different opinions and understanding of what they’ve experienced. Therefore whether one thinks that the interaction between the novel’s protagonists is compelling or a bore has no relevance as to the value of the work in question, nor does it impact it in the slightest with regards to its contents. The merits of The Harbinger stands on its own and not on whether we, or anyone else likes or dislikes the way it’s written.

Yes, there are unmistakable differences between ancient Israel and modern America as manifested in the United States, but these differences do not mitigate the purposes of God, nor do they have any effect upon His will and how He operates in the lives of people and nations. I believe that we can agree on that right? As the Scripture says, God is not the respecter of persons. (Deuteronomy 10:17, Acts 10:34, James 1:17)

THE CRITIC WRITES: Another difference is found in the fact that Israel was established by a covenant with God. The United States was established by revolution and rebellion.

MY REPLY: Good observation. Israel was founded by covenant with God, but the land was seized and occupied by conquest at God’s command. What’s more, the covenant God made with Abraham was for him and his descendants and it pertained to the land of Canaan, but the special relationship and friendship that God and Abraham had, has since been established by grace through Jesus Christ to every person and every tongue under every nation under heaven. And it is by virtue of this process established by God through the Gospel of God’s extended grace through Jesus Christ to every nation, those among those nations and tongues and people may come to Him for grace and forgiveness and find it. Therefore if groups of people, communities and even regions or nations come before God and seek His face and make their peace with Him, He will honor their petition, heal their land, forgive their sins, and restore what was taken away. This is Biblical, because through the Gospel of Jesus Christ, God’s promise to Abraham that through his seed all the nations of the world would be blessed. (Acts 10:34-35, 43, 28:28, Romans 3:29-30, 10:12-13, 15:26, Acts 10:34-35, 17:26-27)

The evidence for it is all over the Hebrew Scriptures and only the Cessationist, Dispensationist, and Minimalist say otherwise, because it does not fit their well-developed and structured nineteenth century human created systemized method of studying the Scriptures. Because much of the Post-Modern Protestant Cessationist Church has forgotten the very basics of God’s plan of salvation, we must return to those basics and study them anew to understand the implications of what The Harbinger’s critics are trying to teach and pass off as “correct Biblical Hermeneutics” to an unsuspecting and largely Biblically illiterate Christian public as “discernment.”

In very fact, the writer of the Letter to the Hebrews unequivocally counts the consummation of the ages from the cross – a period in which Christ has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. (Hebrews 9:26). The consummation of what? The consummation of that which God had predestined before the foundation of the world – before time itself; yes, the consummation of the ages before which He had in His foreknowledge, predestined His will to do for man what He foreknew man could not do for himself, provide through the sacrifice of His Only Begotten Son our salvation (John 3:16-17, Hebrews 10:10-14); just as it says:

For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

(Hebrews 9:24-26)

We see it as early as Genesis if read properly and in its context – God’s redemptive plan made by Him before the foundation of the earth was laid. (Ephesians 1:4, 1Peter 1:20) An excellent commentary that explains predestination versus free will says the following which I quote from the margins of my own Bible. It is a commentary for Ephesians 1:4. I quote:

“‘Election’ is a sovereign outworking of God’s power to effect that which is pleasing to Him according to His righteous and holy will. The New Testament uses the term ‘elect’ (eklektoi) to include a variety of meanings. Thus every believer is elected or chosen: (1) to good works (2:10); (2) to conformity to the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29); (3) to eternal glory (Rom. 9:23); (4) to adoption as a son (1:5).
“But the aspect of election that has given rise to dispute relates to salvation itself. It has been argued that if only those who are elected are saved, then the death of Christ was really intended for them (limited atonement). Others insist that a ‘bona fide’ offer to men that all everywhere should repent (Acts 17:30) involves a divine intention for Christ’s atonement to save all mankind (unlimited atonement). Scripture teaches that election is according to God’s sovereign purpose (1:11; Rom. 8:29; 1Pet. 1:2). But nowhere does the Bible make explicit what it is in God’s foreknowledge that determines His election choice. At all events, the Scriptures appear to teach clearly enough that men are free agents with moral responsibility, while at the same time God is sovereign and works out all things according to His own good pleasure.”

(Harold Lindsell Ph. D. D.D., commentary to Paul’s Letter to the Ephesians 1:4 in the margin of the New American Standard Bible, page 1487. Harper Study Bible, Zondervan Publishing House, 1985)

What relevance does this have to The Harbinger and our discussion of this topic? Much, in fact everything. In it is the linchpin that flies in the face of every claim and criticism posited by The Harbinger’s critics upon which they base their arguments against the parallelisms that exist between ancient Israel and modern America.

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The criticisms of The Harbinger at Amazon.com are correct.  I read this book, but was disturbed not by the concept of repentance, but by the use of myticism and "Bible Code" type references.  After researching Mr. Cahn, I have discovered two different videos that seemed to answer the question in my mind as to whether or not Jewish mysticism (Kaballah) was being employed in this book.  There IS a direct link.  The first video I will give the link to below is Mr. Cahn teaching his own congregation using the Zohar.  If you do not know what the Zohar is, it is a Jewish book of mysticism and occult -- Kaballah.  These are Mr. Cahn's own words to his own congregation.  This particular lesson was witnessed live by a former member of Beth Israel congregation.

 

The second video link below is a different teacher, Billy Phillips who is openly teaching Kaballah and specifies this on the video.  At about two minutes into this video, you should recognize the stark similarities of this teaching with what of Mr. Cahn on "The Zohar Speaks" video.  The third video reference below, just to be fair is "The Zohar Speaks" teaching from Beth Israel in its entirety.  The shortened version of this video does not detract from this in my opinion.  Mr. Cahn's right-hand man, Mr. JJ Bernal tries to use the explanation that The Zohar was used in this particular case as a "hostile witness" and that this technique is commonplace in apologetics.  However, this is not relevant in this case.  The Bible does not need, nor is it appropriate to use the Zohar as a hostile witness to affirm the Bible.

 

One last admonition before I provide the links below.  I would encourage every Christian regardless of denomination, to know the contents and history of both The Zohar and the Jewish Talmud.  Both are Jewish mysticism and occultic.  They are not to be played around with and especially not to be incorporated into Christian churches.  I'm not advocating to study them -- merely to know what is in them and how they came about to be.  I also highly recommend watching videos on youtube.com by Brother Nathanael Kapner, a former Jew who converted to Christianity.  He has some enlightening things to teach about Judaism.  Now for the aforementioned videos:

 

Mr. Cahn teaching from the Zohar (3 min long) - 

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A Must Listen for Discerning Christians:

Breaking News! Today Brannon plays a powerful presentation by Pastor Eric Douma of Twin City Fellowship. Days before Jonathan Cahn appears in the Twin Cities, Pastor Douma is warning of the dangerous theological issue with Cahn’s book. Pastor Douma has done his Biblical homework and lays out point by point the serious theological errors of Cahn’s book. After listening to this program if someone can still defend Cahn’s book and theology then I think we have to seriously question their discernment and commitment to the authority of Scripture not to mention their lack of ability to study the Bible in context. Be sure to listen and post to your Facebook page.
Click here to listen now:

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-radio/play.php?id=showsFlat-22722


Shocking Video Clip: God Launched The Harbinger Book by Using Jim Bakker?
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8466

The Harbinger--A Matter of Critical Discernment By T. A. McMahon of the Berean Call
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8325


A Critical Look at the Harbinger by Dr. Tommy Ice:
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8392

A Commentary on The Harbinger: A Warning About The Harbinger by Christine Pack
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8385



The Harbinger: Revealing-or Concealing-America's "ancient mystery"? by Mark Dinsmore of The Berean Call
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8405



Chris Rosebrough Short Circuits Jonathan Cahn and the Harbinger
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8451


Jonathan Cahn Harbinger of Discernment Gone Wild?
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8443

The Harbinger: Review and Commentary by Pastor Larry DeBruyn
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/mobile/view-article.php?articleid=8391

 

I would have like to have been able to read this information, but alas -- it seems to have disappeared?

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I would have like to have been able to read this information, but alas -- it seems to have disappeared?

I tried all those links also...got 404 errors on them all.  I think someone must have taken them off their site.

 

Are you looking for critiques about The Harbinger?  Here are a couple of links:

 

The Harbinger: A Review and Commentary by Pastor Larry DeBruyn (Herescope Blog)

 

Controversy Surrounds Jonathan Cahn's "The Harbinger"   (This site, Lighthouse Trails Research, has 2 pages of various different articles about The Harbinger and/or Jonathan Cahn.)

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A Must Listen for Discerning Christians:

Breaking News! Today Brannon plays a powerful presentation by Pastor Eric Douma of Twin City Fellowship. Days before Jonathan Cahn appears in the Twin Cities, Pastor Douma is warning of the dangerous theological issue with Cahn’s book. Pastor Douma has done his Biblical homework and lays out point by point the serious theological errors of Cahn’s book. After listening to this program if someone can still defend Cahn’s book and theology then I think we have to seriously question their discernment and commitment to the authority of Scripture not to mention their lack of ability to study the Bible in context. Be sure to listen and post to your Facebook page.
Click here to listen now:
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-radio/play.php?id=showsFlat-22722

Shocking Video Clip: God Launched The Harbinger Book by Using Jim Bakker?
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8466

The Harbinger--A Matter of Critical Discernment By T. A. McMahon of the Berean Call
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8325

A Critical Look at the Harbinger by Dr. Tommy Ice:
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8392

A Commentary on The Harbinger: A Warning About The Harbinger by Christine Pack
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8385


The Harbinger: Revealing-or Concealing-America's "ancient mystery"? by Mark Dinsmore of The Berean Call
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8405


Chris Rosebrough Short Circuits Jonathan Cahn and the Harbinger
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8451


Jonathan Cahn Harbinger of Discernment Gone Wild?
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8443

The Harbinger: Review and Commentary by Pastor Larry DeBruyn
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/mobile/view-article.php?articleid=8391

John? I can't get any of these articles up on my computer. Says page can't be found.

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John? I can't get any of these articles up on my computer. Says page can't be found.

Considering I posted that nearly three years ago I'm guessing that's the reason.

Likely you could find the articles if you go directly to the site and search for them.

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Genevanpreacher,

I was also researching the articles on the book, "The Harbinger," and was able to get the article by, "Lighthouse Trails Research." It was a very good article and helped understand more about the book, the prophecy of Isiah 9:10 and 11, and Israel and America.

After reading most of the (old as you stated), posts above, I am of the persuasion to agree with the analysis and conslusion of Lighthouse Trails Reasearch. I do need to add that I have not read the book and because I cannot buy it in Taiwan I probably will not read it any time soon. Below is the link to the article in Lighthouse Trails.

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=9653

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my opinion . I believe we all could write a book of some sort concerning America today and have people argue over it.

it's a worthless waste of ones time spent when one should be reading and studying Gods word and in prayer allowing Him to reveal His truths to us.

just my opinion though.

God bless

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my opinion . I believe we all could write a book of some sort concerning America today and have people argue over it.

it's a worthless waste of ones time spent when one should be reading and studying Gods word and in prayer allowing Him to reveal His truths to us.

just my opinion though.

God bless

This has been big business for lots of folks over the years. I still remember the books I read in the 80s which were written in the 70s and 80s. They were filled with speculation about America, the end times, how the Soviet Union was going to usher in the end, how an impoverished China was going to spend their money blocking off a river so their poor army could travel across on horses. All sorts of books about the American Apache attack helicopter being described in the book of Revelation, and the Soviet Union clearly in there too.

Speculation and guessing games and trying to declare every contemporary thing to be a sign from God isn't what we are called to do and actually harms the cause of Christ.

Right after the Supreme Court legalized homosexual "marriage" many people took pictures of rainbows and claimed that was a sign from God that He approved. They got this idea from Christians on social media sites who constantly post pictures of rainbows and claims they are a sign of God approving some particular political action.

We would be so much better off reading the Word, praying over the Word and living in accord with the Word

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