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Patch The Pirate Goes Contemporary (With The Blessings Of Majesty Music)

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No you misunderstood. Please do not post false information. The page says that the kit, provided by Answers in Genesis, is ALSO available with conservative Patch the Pirate music INSTEAD of the rock music currently offered.

The Answers in Genesis people put together the VBS stuff, and then obviously provide a choice of outside music...either contemporary, OR Patch the Pirate for conservatives.

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No you misunderstood. Please do not post false information. The page says that the kit, provided by Answers in Genesis, is ALSO available with conservative Patch the Pirate music INSTEAD of the rock music currently offered.

The Answers in Genesis people put together the VBS stuff, and then obviously provide a choice of outside music...either contemporary, OR Patch the Pirate for conservatives.


Let's examine the facts:

#1 - Answers in Genesis states publicly that they have partnered with Majesty Music.

proof - http://answersvbs.com/2012/about/music/

#2 - The VBS theme "IncrediWorld" is the title of Patch the Pirate's latest adventure CD.

proof - http://www.majestytunes.com/p-119-incrediworld.aspx

#3 - Both Majesty Music and Patch the Pirate are under copyright protection (and nothing like this could be produced or published without their permission - for a price, that is).

#4 - Majesty Music is supplying the "traditional" music for the "IncrediWorld" VBS program while allowing Answers in Genesis to produce a contemporary version of the Patch the Pirate songs. (and I am sure that Majesty Music will be collecting a royalty fee for every kit that is sold - both contemporary and traditional).

Thus I stand by what I said: Patch the Pirate is going contemporary with the blessings of Majesty Music. Edited by brosmith

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You should probably contact Majesty Music and ask. I notice on the site http://answersvbs.com/2012/about/music/ Majesty Music is not taking ANY credit WHATSOEVER for the contemporary music.

It is possible they were paid to write and sell songs to the VBS people for their own use...in which case, the VBS people own the rights to the specific songs and were able to make a second version of them.

It would be good if you called them and got their side of the story before posting things like this about them publicly. I'm not a huge follower of them, but on the other hand, there's no reason to post negative things without knowing the whole story.

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It is possible they were paid to write and sell songs to the VBS people for their own use...in which case, the VBS people own the rights to the specific songs and were able to make a second version of them.


As stated above, IncrediWorld is the latest Patch the Pirate adventure published by Majesty Music.

It would be good if you called them and got their side of the story before posting things like this about them publicly. I'm not a huge follower of them, but on the other hand, there's no reason to post negative things without knowing the whole story.


I sent Majesty Music an email and I will post their response when I receive it. I asked them about the relationship between the Patch the Pirate adventure and the VBS program by Answers in Genesis. It will be interesting to see how they respond. Edited by brosmith

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Here is the response that I received from Majesty Music:


Thank you for contacting Majesty Music in regards to IncrediWorld. Answers in Genesis approached Majesty Music with the opportunity to provide music for their traditional track VBS program. After much prayer and counsel, we agreed to produce the traditional songs version. Some of the songs needed very little work and could be used with just a few changes. Other songs could not be used and new songs needed to be written. Answers in Genesis gave us complete liberty to use or not use whatever we chose. Majesty Music has recently offered a new Patch the Pirate Adventure called IncrediWorld which centers on a theme of “Creation” and includes some of the new songs also used in the VBS track. Please let me know if I may be of any further assistance.

Sincerely,
Lanette
Customer Service


You can derive your own conclusions from this but I still stand by my original statements.

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They aren't claiming anything to do with the contemporary songs. Who they sold music to is between them and God. But they didn't produce any contemporary music. When they do, let me know.

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I rather like that AiG thought to give people the option between traditional/contemporary music - especially as they don't seem to have a problem with contemporary music themselves. And someone needs to write said traditional music, I suppose.

That being said, I do feel Majesty is moving in a contemporary direction. :bawling: Some of the more recent Patch the Pirate's and their latest CDs are rather questionable, and their latest hymnal does include some songs that I've always associated with my Pentecostal/New Evangelical days...

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I rather like that AiG thought to give people the option between traditional/contemporary music - especially as they don't seem to have a problem with contemporary music themselves. And someone needs to write said traditional music, I suppose.

That being said, I do feel Majesty is moving in a contemporary direction. :bawling: Some of the more recent Patch the Pirate's and their latest CDs are rather questionable, and their latest hymnal does include some songs that I've always associated with my Pentecostal/New Evangelical days...


I actually do not know of many, if any, groups that are NOT moving in a "contemporary" direction, for that matter...which is why I don't see the need to pick out Majesty Music. Most IFBs now listen to music that would be considered "contemporary". I don't for the most part because I don't prefer it....I like a little more southern flavor to my music....but I don't know of any groups that are actually staying "old fashioned" while still maintaining a good sound quality.

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Just to add fuel to the fire......My children were finishing up their patch books for the week and my daughter stopped and yelled......"Hey dad!!  "This verse doesn't match!" Sure enough, there were at least 2 days this past week in their devotions that the verses in the book were from the ESV. She also told me that occassionally she'll find a mispelled word or something really minor. I explained to her that that is how the tares get slipped into the wheat.....so to speak.....a little at a time. I showed the book to our pastor last night who just about threw a fit because it was in there. I plainly gave the warning at the begining of patch club in September that the "Incediworld" series is flawed, and they had considered dropping patch at church but decided to go ahead and see what develops from it.

It all boils down to this.......We as IFB people had better get our head out of the clouds and quit living in our "Beaver Cleaver" imaginary world by thinking that just because they are saved and live a "Christian" life that they are exempt from the contemporary movement moving in. It's happening all over our churches in one form or another.Quit worrying about beng "clean and wholesome" and how great you appear in your self righteousness and get into the the trenches and get dirty fighting off this contemporaty movement with the true word of God!

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We too have noticed the more contemporary songs in the new Majesty Hymnal.  However, I did not know that they had used the ESV for their new series. Very sad.

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Just to add fuel to the fire......My children were finishing up their patch books for the week and my daughter stopped and yelled......"Hey dad!!  "This verse doesn't match!" Sure enough, there were at least 2 days this past week in their devotions that the verses in the book were from the ESV. She also told me that occassionally she'll find a mispelled word or something really minor. I explained to her that that is how the tares get slipped into the wheat.....so to speak.....a little at a time. I showed the book to our pastor last night who just about threw a fit because it was in there. I plainly gave the warning at the begining of patch club in September that the "Incediworld" series is flawed, and they had considered dropping patch at church but decided to go ahead and see what develops from it.
It all boils down to this.......We as IFB people had better get our head out of the clouds and quit living in our "Beaver Cleaver" imaginary world by thinking that just because they are saved and live a "Christian" life that they are exempt from the contemporary movement moving in. It's happening all over our churches in one form or another.Quit worrying about beng "clean and wholesome" and how great you appear in your self righteousness and get into the the trenches and get dirty fighting off this contemporaty movement with the true word of God!

This goes along with what seems to be a growing trend. While most books and articles have typically said what Bible they quote from (or in some cases, multiple versions), I'm noticing more often now that some are not making any mention at all of what version (or versions) they are using.

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Can I say that I think with the information posted here, the title appears somewhat misleading, in that it appears to overstate the situation.

Note that we have a single copy of an old Majesty Hymnal, and about five or six of the early Patch CD's - I am not defending them, but I don't think it helps anyone to overstate or exaggerate a situation.
I also do not think it was intentional in this case.
Just a suggestion that maybe the title should be changed a little - but not the conversation within - the development of the conversation has been helpful.

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I cherish my Majesty Hymnal, it's the only one I own right now and the one we use the most in our local church.  Sometimes they break out John R. Rice's Soul Stirring Hymns.  The trouble with both is that the recent editions, last 30 years or so, have been edited to remove repentance from some songs compared to the earlier 1970s editions.  I believe it was wrong to do so.  They should have been left if Scripturally sound or replaced IMNSHO. 

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I'm new to IFB, and I need to ask:  Why would a Christian artist adopt the pirate theme?  It seems to me, from my little bit of research on Majesty, that maybe the creation of Patch the Pirate, and the acceptance of the whole pirate motif, was the beginning of what's becoming a larger problem.

 

Forgive me if I'm hijacking this thread, but I can't seem to find any other discussions where anyone is concerned about this.

 

A few years ago I discovered that the word of God exists in English, and this discovery has led me to leave the Pentecostal movement and seek fellowship with the IFB crowd.  So far, so good, and I believe that as long as the King James Bible is the final authority we can get past other issues.

 

One of the first major events for me at my new church was involving my seven-year-old son in a small presentation where the kids sang three songs on Sunday morning and evening.  Two of the songs were from IncrediWorld, and I downloaded those two so he could practice.  They were fine songs I thought, with the (seemingly minor) issue that "Days of Creation" claims that on day one God created the "heavens" (plural) and earth.  I told my son that God created only the third heaven (singular) at first, and the other two heavens were created after that.  This was pretty minor, but when I saw the whole pirate theme, I knew I wouldn't be leaving any IncrediWorld CDs lying around the house, and that I wouldn't be enrolling my son in any pirate club.

 

Pirates steal, kill, and destroy.  The word "pirate" isn't in the bible, but there is someone mentioned in the bible that does these things.  What is Majesty thinking?  Patch's ship is apparently even called the "Jolly Roger!"  This is a skull and crossbones, guys!  What are we all thinking?

 

In my old church I used to pray God's protection over myself and my family if the worship team started to play some questionable back beat, or if the message of the song was questionable.  Now I'm protecting my son from pirates.

 

I know that all churches are full of sinners, but I'm still taking the pulse of the IFB movement.  Thanks.

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I'm new to IFB, and I need to ask:  Why would a Christian artist adopt the pirate theme?  It seems to me, from my little bit of research on Majesty, that maybe the creation of Patch the Pirate, and the acceptance of the whole pirate motif, was the beginning of what's becoming a larger problem.

 

Forgive me if I'm hijacking this thread, but I can't seem to find any other discussions where anyone is concerned about this.

 

Hopefully someone will answer this for you as I have wondered the same thing.  Last year I informed my son that his mohawk haircut was going to disappear because of some of the associations "mohawks" have but then the church has "patch the pirate".  And I was left thinking sarcasticly that "yes it is so much better to associate with the pirate theme over the mohawk indian theme!"  Duh!

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Matt,

 

I've never liked the "pirate" thing myself. However, Brother Hamilton has a testimony that helped me to ease up some on that. The larger issue raised in this post would be publishing material with counterfeit scripture. I plan to look into that.

 

Similarly, every church I've been to has a significant percentage of the believers that put up Christmas trees, do the Easter egg thing, dress up for sinister holidays, watch abominable films, dress like the world, talk like the world, listen to the world's music etc. etc. I don't like any of it but I gave up those battles because their not mine.  I just have to make sure my home is clean.

 

I've known people that have taken their family out of church over these issues and now they do little for Christ because they're not involved in a fruit-bearing ministry. Years later their children haven't been under good preaching, don't know the Sunday school songs, have a critical spirit toward the church, etc.

 

The bottom line is that you're going to give account for you.

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I'm new to IFB, and I need to ask:  Why would a Christian artist adopt the pirate theme?  It seems to me, from my little bit of research on Majesty, that maybe the creation of Patch the Pirate, and the acceptance of the whole pirate motif, was the beginning of what's becoming a larger problem.

 

Forgive me if I'm hijacking this thread, but I can't seem to find any other discussions where anyone is concerned about this.

 

A few years ago I discovered that the word of God exists in English, and this discovery has led me to leave the Pentecostal movement and seek fellowship with the IFB crowd.  So far, so good, and I believe that as long as the King James Bible is the final authority we can get past other issues.

 

One of the first major events for me at my new church was involving my seven-year-old son in a small presentation where the kids sang three songs on Sunday morning and evening.  Two of the songs were from IncrediWorld, and I downloaded those two so he could practice.  They were fine songs I thought, with the (seemingly minor) issue that "Days of Creation" claims that on day one God created the "heavens" (plural) and earth.  I told my son that God created only the third heaven (singular) at first, and the other two heavens were created after that.  This was pretty minor, but when I saw the whole pirate theme, I knew I wouldn't be leaving any IncrediWorld CDs lying around the house, and that I wouldn't be enrolling my son in any pirate club.

 

Pirates steal, kill, and destroy.  The word "pirate" isn't in the bible, but there is someone mentioned in the bible that does these things.  What is Majesty thinking?  Patch's ship is apparently even called the "Jolly Roger!"  This is a skull and crossbones, guys!  What are we all thinking?

 

In my old church I used to pray God's protection over myself and my family if the worship team started to play some questionable back beat, or if the message of the song was questionable.  Now I'm protecting my son from pirates.

 

I know that all churches are full of sinners, but I'm still taking the pulse of the IFB movement.  Thanks.

From Ron's testimony: he was diagnosed with eye cancer, and lost his eye as a result. Thus, he wore a patch. At some point, a child asked him if he was a pirate, to which he quickly replied, "Yes, I'm Patch the Pirate.". From this was born the idea, and the character. Used to be very good stuff, even though yes, I agree that a pirate may not be the best idea, but hey, he had the patch and was able to use it in a children's ministry. Sadly the music has begun to slip for a while now, even Ron's stuff, as well as music from Majesty in general.

So, not saying right or wrong, it just worked out that way.

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From Ron's testimony: he was diagnosed with eye cancer, and lost his eye as a result. Thus, he wore a patch. At some point, a child asked him if he was a pirate, to which he quickly replied, "Yes, I'm Patch the Pirate.". From this was born the idea, and the character. Used to be very good stuff, even though yes, I agree that a pirate may not be the best idea, but hey, he had the patch and was able to use it in a children's ministry. Sadly the music has begun to slip for a while now, even Ron's stuff, as well as music from Majesty in general.

So, not saying right or wrong, it just worked out that way.

I know you are not saying right or wrong and I am not going to put words in your mouth.  But an association is an association.  If we ignore the association and write it off as a "cute children's ministry", are we compromising?  Hypothetically: kid is in patch club at church and gets older and hears there is a very popular movie series out that is called "Pirates of the Caribbean".  Kid thinks to himself, "pirates aren't so bad, we have them in church"  Now are we compromising if we give the OK or are we being too "nit picky" if we question associating with pirates?  We get all judgmental about public schools "dumbing down our kids" do our churches get a pass for "numbing our kids " towards associations they can have? 

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never liked the "pirate" thing myself ... The larger issue raised in this post would be publishing material with counterfeit scripture

 
Yes, definitely.
 

known people that have taken their family out of church over these issues


That would be a shame.

Thanks for your perspective.

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Ron Hamilton (Patch the Pirate) brought the house down a few years ago at Pastors school with the song "Bow the Knee",  The place went wild and the Lord was glorified.  I don't know if he has changed, but I have 10 of his old "Patch the Pirate tapes (Cassettes) and my kids were nearly raised on his skits and songs.  They taught the kids character, which no other singers seem to be doing, and always uplifted the Lord in them.  I still listen to his cd that contains Bow the knee, and many other good songs. 

 

Whether he has changed or not, I do not know, haven't paid much attention lately.

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Ron Hamilton (Patch the Pirate) brought the house down a few years ago at Pastors school with the song "Bow the Knee",  The place went wild and the Lord was glorified.  I don't know if he has changed, but I have 10 of his old "Patch the Pirate tapes (Cassettes) and my kids were nearly raised on his skits and songs.  They taught the kids character, which no other singers seem to be doing, and always uplifted the Lord in them.  I still listen to his cd that contains Bow the knee, and many other good songs. 

 

Whether he has changed or not, I do not know, haven't paid much attention lately.

 

To clarify: I'm not intimately familiar with their ministry, but I don’t think Brother Hamilton is "going contemporary." I think he’s produced good media for believers for a long time. I’m sure he’s caught much grief over the years about the pirate thing, and I don’t want to contribute more on that.

 

Again, I am going to look into it to see if they do indeed have fake bible quotations in their publication(s). I have supported this ministry by purchasing their products so I hope this is not accurate.

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I don't know who Patch the Pirate is but when I read all the posts I agree that it isn't the most wholesome character qualities to mimic, whether is has a good message or not. I thought when I read the title it was already a contemporary Christian music character, (like Veggie Tales). Isn't that the whole contemporary music crowd, other versions of the Bible users and Evangelicals use-That it still teaches a good message no matter how it's delivered so it doesn't matter the format? :thumbdown:

 

Remember pirates forced their way onto other boats, killed them and stole their stuff? Were known for their language, drinking and lifestyle. :hijacked:( just the picture not the sign)

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