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Eric Wyse is an accomplished keyboardist, songwriter, church musician, and record producer...

...He is currently purusing a Masters of Church Music at Lee University (Cleveland, TN).


He's the organist/Music Director in an Episcopalian church...spans the gamut with who he collaborates with...and goes charismatic for his Master Degree. :icon_confused:

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My point is that many of their hymns can serve the church when they are separated from the "entertainment" in which they are presented in the link. It sounds good when sung with a piano or organ. Would you sing this hymn if it were by Wesley or Watts - or Newton? It's a lot better than the hymnbook staple "Onward Christian Soldiers."


Your point is contrary to sound doctrine. The Getty's are providing and promoting contemporary Christian music dressed up as "modern hymns". They are entertainers providing so-called "spiritual" entertainment but nothing spiritual (from a Biblical perspective) will ever come from such a polluted fountain. And by the way, just because a song "sounds good" when played on the piano or organ does not necessarily mean that the song is good. Many rock songs "sound good" when listened to by the carnal person.

Matthew 7:18 - "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

Matthew 12:33 - "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit." Edited by brosmith

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One of the problems here is the lack of consistency. Standards used to judge modern music isn't also used to judge older songs. While song writers of the past are given great leeway in regards to how far off the author was biblically on many things, the song writers of today are held to standards stricter than what some pastors are held to.

If a song writer is born again in Christ and they write a song that its biblically sound, how can that song not be sang in a manner glorifying to God? I've heard Amazing Grace played to bluegrass, Southern Gospel, pop, rock and even heavy metal. True enough, I wouldn't want to listen to Amazing Grace played in some of those styles, and some I think are not proper for church, but that doesn't take away from the fact that, if sang properly with decent instrumentation (or none) the song can be sang in a Christ-honouring manner.

As I've read through Baptist history and the history of Christianity in general, especially with regards to England and America, I've found that most of the arguments used today against modern music were previously used against the songs, instruments and music style used by Moody and Sankey back in their day as they first went forth in that manner around America and England.

Many of the songs we consider great to sing today were not well met when they first came forth. Even so, today we embrace them even though the conservative Christians of that time rejected them for very similar, or even the same reasons some reject some modern music today.

This lack of having a solid standard that is consistently applied is one of the reasons for so much confusion in the area of music and why there is such a variety of music, both accepted and rejected, through all of Christianity, throughout Baptist churches and even throughout the IFB churches.

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Matthew 7:18 - "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."


Agreed - so when we look at fruit of the Gettys - the words of that hymn, is it a good, edifying Biblical hymn? If the words are good - as they are, the Gettys are not corrupt by that test Jesus has given us.

The fact that we agree that we do not like the style of singing & musical accompaniment may simply be a matter of our taste - (Pharisaical taste?)

Let's put it to a Biblical band:
Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmame
nt
of his power.

2
Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excelle
nt
greatness.

3
Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.

4
Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instrume
nt
s and organs.

5
Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.

6
Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.

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But you have to realize, the teenagers do! I know people who justify listening to CCM because they heard the song sung by someone else (that person could have not even known where it came from, and sang it innocently!)


I understand that to a point, but realistically people will justify just about anything they want to do in one way or another.

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Agreed - so when we look at fruit of the Gettys - the words of that hymn, is it a good, edifying Biblical hymn? If the words are good - as they are, the Gettys are not corrupt by that test Jesus has given us.

The fact that we agree that we do not like the style of singing & musical accompaniment may simply be a matter of our taste - (Pharisaical taste?)


I can only conclude from the above statements that:

#1 - You are trying to rationalize and justify the usage of CCM as being acceptable.

#2 - You are ignoring (or refusing to accept) the obvious teachings of the scriptures.

The Bible teaches us that truly spiritual people cannot bring forth carnality.

The usage of rock music proves that the Getty's are operating on a carnal basis and therefore anything that they produce is corrupted by their carnality. It does not matter if the words of their songs are "scriptural" or even scripture quotations. This is why the so-called "modern hymn movement" is so wrong. It is leading undiscerning people to swallow the devil's lies.

You can call it "Pharisaical taste" if you like, but you are feasting on carnality which leads to destruction. Edited by brosmith

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Okay...I broke down and watched the video...here's what I took away from it after watching it one time.

  1. Couldn't tell you two words that were sung
  2. Lots of heavy drum beats
  3. Screaming guitar at times
  4. They were putting on a show
  5. The drummer wears a silly hat

As someone who came out of a rock-n-roll lifestyle (in a band, long hair, etc.), I think I have some insight into this. We are told in the Bible what proper music is...


Ephesians 5:19
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Does the song cause your heart to make melody...to the Lord, or does it cause your heart to make melody to your flesh? I believe that babes in Christ and carnal Christians confuse the two. They think if the song moves me, if it makes me feel good, if it makes me get emotional...then it must be good, and the Lord must be pleased. What makes us feel good is not an indicator that God approves of it. The heart is desperately wicked. From what I know, many CCM songs appeal to the emotions, and once the emotions get worked up, one can easily think they are singing to the Lord, when all they are doing is experiencing an emotional high. Putting "Christian" in front of something (CCM) doesn't mean it's Christian.

It doesn't matter if the words are biblical when the music is what's pushing the song. Goodness, even Satan knows the Bible, but I sure don't want him preaching (or singing) to me! There may be some CCM musicians who "believe" they are serving the Lord, but I venture to say the majority are in it for the notoriety, money, and adoration from fans.

I wonder how long they would stay in the music business if all they sang were doctrinally sound hymns from a hymnal accompanied by only a piano during their concerts? Not long, because their music appeals to the flesh. They would lose their fans, their recording contract, and their money.

If we are to "come out from among them and be ye separate", and we are to "love not the world, neither the things that are in the world", then that would include worldly sounding music. It's obvious that CCM is patterned after the world's music, and to use CCM's lyrics, but sing it "hymn style", is partaking of their product instead of separating from it.

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I can only conclude from the above statements that:

#1 - You are trying to rationalize and justify the usage of CCM as being acceptable.

CCM is NOT acceptable - I would not attend their concerts, nor a church that features CCM worship.

#2 - You are ignoring (or refusing to accept) the obvious teachings of the scriptures.

The Bible teaches us that truly spiritual people cannot bring forth carnality.

The usage of rock music proves that the Getty's are operating on a carnal basis and therefore anything that they produce is corrupted by their carnality. It does not matter if the words of their songs are "scriptural" or even scripture quotations. This is why the so-called "modern hymn movement" is so wrong. It is leading undiscerning people to swallow the devil's lies.

There was a book of William Cowper's letters in my student digs 50 years ago. One was to his friend & fellow hymn writer John Newton. It concerned GF Handel & his oratorio "Messiah" & the acclaim he received for it. CCM - not by today's standards; the devil's lies - pure Scripture, selected to portray the Messiah from OT prophecy to last judgment. Sorry but I can't remember why they were so against such beautiful music. Perhaps it was too beautiful, & gratified the flesh? Or perhaps it was the adulation fora great composer, rather than for the music itself?

But we would not reject the text of the "Messiah" because it was set to the CCM of the day. Nor do we reject the hymns of Charles Wesley because he set his hymns to popular folk tunes of the day. We need to be sure our judgment is Scriptural & not prejudice. I have no complaints from my congregation because I don't use the percussion on my keyboard. I simply use the chapel organ register. People want to sing, & the music is there to guide their singing from the heart & keep them in tune. Some modern songs will stand the test of time, while most will (thankfully) pass quickly into oblivion.

I am happy to study the words against Scripture, strip out the CCM & lead the worship along the Scriptural guidelines:

18
And be n
ot
drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

19
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

20
Giving thanks always for all things u
nt
o God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

21
Submitting yourselves one to an
ot
her in the fear of God.


15
And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one an
ot
her in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.




You can call it "Pharisaical taste" if you like, but you are feasting on carnality which leads to destruction.
You are judging the Lord's servant from your own prejudice. I largely agree with you on CCM, but I trust I have sufficient spiritual discernment when I choose what we sing in worship.

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If we are going to apply these standards to modern hymns and songs then we must be consistent and apply them to all hymns and songs, which means many of those in our old hymnals must be rejected. Many of the hymns beloved today were penned by those holding to various views and positions, including docrtinal differences, that we disagree with. Many of the hymns were set to "worldly" music and used the contempory music of the day. Many of the hymns were denounced and rejected by the conservative Christians of their day. Fanny Crosby, for instance, not only wrote hymns, she also wrote wordly, carnal music, some of which was even used in burlesque shows.

We can't stand upon solid ground in our judgement of music unless we have one set of standards that is applied evenly with regards to all music, regardless of when it was written.

Interestingly, it's likely most of us would reject or at least not accept for ourselves, the way Jews played music in worship and how they danced before God, yet we see it accepted of God in Scripture.

Equally interesting is that conservative Christians 150, 300 or other years ago would view most of us as being too liberal, not walking close enough to the Lord, because of the music we ourselves do accept today.

Who is, or was, right? Are there objective standards we can agree upon or are most standards subjective or even arbitrary? Are we trying to hold to tight to our traditions, is that what those in the past were doing? Are we leaning more upon preference or the Bible?

Has there ever been a perfect Christian who wrote an acceptable song? In looking into the source of many hymns in our hymnals today I've found they were written by flawed Christians, many of which most of us would have separated from if we had been their contemporaries.

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Has there ever been a perfect Christian who wrote an acceptable song? In looking into the source of many hymns in our hymnals today I've found they were written by flawed Christians, many of which most of us would have separated from if we had been their contemporaries.


Most of them were infant baptist.

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All of us Christians are flawed, every single one, every single one that been born again, are flawed, that cannot be an excuse to accept anything, & everything.

That said, there many that will allow almost anything into one of Jesus' Churches.

As Seth said, "They will find a way to justify whatever it is they desire," & most of the time they will not be very nice to those that disagree with them.

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Most of them were infant baptist.


But as David Cloud says in one of his articles, singing their hymns is not going to lead you to becaome an infant baptist, but with the songs of charismatics like Townend and Kendrick, by singing their songs, we open the door to our young people bying their CDs, and then becoming attracted to that kind of worship. I say to our church that we would not have these people preach in our church, but by singing their songs we are letting them in by the back door, however sound that particualr song seems.

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Most IFBs would not agree with a great deal of what Luther, Wesley, Crosby and other hymn writers believed, practiced, promoted and taught, nor would they agree with their associations.

If a person is born again in Christ, and they write a biblically sound, Christ honouring song, and that song is played in church to the accompaniment of a piano, organ or perhaps in some cases an accoustic guitar, and the people sing it unto the Lord...

If the church teaches and preaches correctly, the members are not going to listen to a Christ-honouring song, played on piano, then go ask who the author of the song is, do research to see who has ever sang that song, find CDs with that song on it, listen to those CDs no matter the music with them and then decide this must be the right way to worship because they hear a song performed to different music on a CD.

On the other hand, if a church were to play a decent song with rock music, Southern Gospel, hip-hop or whatever in their church, then indeed it would be possible the members would see that sort of thing as right and acceptable, but it would be because the church played the music in that way and not another way.

There are some churches who play all their music in a bluegrass style, some in a Southern Gospel style (either old, modern or a combination of those styles), some churches play their music in a pop style, some with piano only, organ only, piano and organ only, accoustic guitar, partial band, entire band, choir, orchestra, etc. Each of these churches, whether they play Amazing Grace, I'll Fly Away, or a modern hymn, play those songs in the style of music that church chooses.

The pastor/church has the power, option and duty to select the music style and the songs. Some pastor/churches would absolutely reject an orchestra, having many complaints against such with many saying such is worldly and has no place in a church; yet others are accepting of orchestras and some even have them in their churches.

Is Amazing Grace or In Christ Alone determined to be good or bad by what music some play to those songs?

Either we come up with one set of standards for ALL songs and follow that, or we need to stick to taking care of the music in our own church and letting others take of the music in their own churches.

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I realize that I'm probably in the minority, and what I'm about to say will probably get me tarred and feathered...but...

I believe that too much emphasis is placed on music in churches. I'm not just singling out the use of CCM...I'm including what would be considered sound, fundamental music.

It has become a tradition...most churches in my area operate this way...

  1. After Sunday School, gather in the sanctuary.
  2. Welcome
  3. Congregation sings a song (or two)
  4. Announcements
  5. Congregation sings a song (or instrumentalist plays a song) while receiving tithes/offerings
  6. Choir sings anywhere from 4 to 6 songs
  7. Soloist sings a song
  8. Finally...the pastor preaches

...and in most cases, the song service lasts longer than the sermon.

I'm not advocating removing singing from church services, but I do believe less emphasis should be put on it. After all, we are told in the Bible that the songs can "teach and admonish" us...

Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

The music should help prepare our hearts to receive God's word. I think one or two songs...sang to the Lord...and to give him glory...would be better than what I see in churches today. Most of what I see is self-glorifying.

It has gotten to the point that many churches are driven by the music program instead of God's word. The Bible is clear that preaching is the method that God has chosen to reach people...not the music program.

Romans 10:14-17
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Again, I'm not advocating removing music...I just think it should be de-emphasized. I think of this example...After Jesus and the disciples had finished the Lord's supper, we read this...

Matthew 26:30
And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

Just one hymn... Edited by No Nicolaitans

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No, tar, nor feathers, Yet, with that said, an emphasis must be placed on everything that takes place in one of Jesus Churches, for all of it must be in line with the Bible, & not violate the Holy Scriptures. That is everything that takes place in Jesus Churches is of the most importance. If you don't, them you will fill the church up with the world.

Now, those churches out there founded by & for man that do not teach truths, they can do as they please, for Christ in not the head of those churches.

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No, tar, nor feathers, Yet, with that said, an emphasis must be placed on everything that takes place in one of Jesus Churches, for all of it must be in line with the Bible, & not violate the Holy Scriptures. That is everything that takes place in Jesus Churches is of the most importance. If you don't, them you will fill the church up with the world.

Now, those churches out there founded by & for man that do not teach truths, they can do as they please, for Christ in not the head of those churches.


I understand what you're saying Bro. Jerry...and you're right. When I said that too much emphasis is put on the music, I just meant that in many churches, the music is more important to them than God's word.

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I understand what you're saying Bro. Jerry...and you're right. When I said that too much emphasis is put on the music, I just meant that in many churches, the music is more important to them than God's word.


And your 100% right.

And where I've found this to be a problem is when a music lover is in charge of the music. And by no means do I mean its a problem with every music lover.

I knew one music lover, he probably could have sang with any popular group of Gospel singers if he had tried. A friend of mine once asked him why he did not try out for some of those singing groups. Accordingly he stated, "I'm where God wants me to be, I'm using my gift for the glory of God, I am not going to try & make a living off of what God has given me. Plus, most of those singing groups will sing for any church that invited them, no matter what that church teaches. To them its all about money, regardless of God's truth. I just can't take part in something like that."

And, there is much truth in what that man stated. I might say he was highly respect by his church family.

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I realize that I'm probably in the minority, and what I'm about to say will probably get me tarred and feathered...but...

I believe that too much emphasis is placed on music in churches. I'm not just singling out the use of CCM...I'm including what would be considered sound, fundamental music.

It has become a tradition...most churches in my area operate this way...
  1. After Sunday School, gather in the sanctuary.
  2. Welcome
  3. Congregation sings a song (or two)
  4. Announcements
  5. Congregation sings a song (or instrumentalist plays a song) while receiving tithes/offerings
  6. Choir sings anywhere from 4 to 6 songs
  7. Soloist sings a song
  8. Finally...the pastor preaches

...and in most cases, the song service lasts longer than the sermon.

I'm not advocating removing singing from church services, but I do believe less emphasis should be put on it. After all, we are told in the Bible that the songs can "teach and admonish" us...

Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

The music should help prepare our hearts to receive God's word. I think one or two songs...sang to the Lord...and to give him glory...would be better than what I see in churches today. Most of what I see is self-glorifying.

It has gotten to the point that many churches are driven by the music program instead of God's word. The Bible is clear that preaching is the method that God has chosen to reach people...not the music program.

Romans 10:14-17
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Again, I'm not advocating removing music...I just think it should be de-emphasized. I think of this example...After Jesus and the disciples had finished the Lord's supper, we read this...

Matthew 26:30
And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

Just one hymn...


This is an important point. It's not only entertainment and watered down churches that put too much into music, but also some of the better churches too.

In our church we typically sing one or two songs after the opening prayer, a song will be played on the piano during offering (or a few times a year someone will sing a song at that time, such as on Mother's day), then we usually have one or two more songs between the offering and end of services, sometimes one before or after the Scripture reading which the sermon will come from and usually one at the end of the service which has been chosen to relate to the sermon that day.

At the same time, the church a block down sings several songs first thing, they have formed a youth band that sometimes plays, they sing a lot near the end of the service too.

Another church is almost all music. I've heard from a few folks in our church that have visited churches while on vacation only to discover that in those churches they have close to 45 minutes of music with only about 15 minutes of "preaching" (more of a feel good message).

Yes, we need to guard the music in our own churches and at the same time make sure the music never becomes the focus, doesn't take away time from the sermon, doesn't become the main drawing point, isn't more a matter of "fun" than of worship.

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A comment about music, singing & church services.

I suppose in a way you would say this is preference, if you do, that bothers me not.

Growing up at times someone, or perhaps a quartet made up of church members, & every now & again someone from another church would sing a special, perhaps even more than one, but it never took place of our preaching services.

I never saw a string instrument in church services, such as a violin, guitar, or such, & not even a drum. Those singing sang only with the use of a piano. And generally they practiced much before singing such songs.

My mother played the piano at our church, I recall many times, many different church members stopping by in the evening time to practice sing a song or songs to sing at some future time. Back in those days we also had youth fellowship meetings once a month. And it was for the youth of our churches. It helped train them for serving the Lord in church & in life when they grew up, & it also put them in contact with other youths of Christians parents that attend church that if not for this special services they may have never met. I mention the youth fellowship meting for also some of the young people would always lead the singing & sing some special songs during this service.

I suppose it was not until the late 70's, maybe early 80's, that I started to see people sing in church with canned music, & accomplied by music instruments other than a piano. Also to me, that was the point that some bad songs started to make their way into churches throughout this area. And at that time was when churches though this area had to start guarding against bad songs being brought into our churches. And started having to inquire before hand to make sure the songs were appropriate even before they were sung in church. Of course some churches did not guard against such songs & in those churhes today it seems any song that's labeled Christian is allowed & generally the songs will be sung with loud music with a big rock & roll beat.

I still think there is not a more beatiful sound that hearing songs sang in church than with the use of only a piano, weather its on person singing are many.

A few years ago there was a funeral service held at the large SBC in the small town down the road from my house. The Mennonites choir was invited by the deceased family to sing a few songs. They do not use musical instruments at all. A ew weeks later tis SBC invited this Mennonites choir to the church to sing several songs. And they enjoyed this singing so much that in a few short weeks they invited them back again. After which many of the members of this church compliment them that was the most beautiful singing they had ever head in this church.

The pastor of this SBC was complimenting this singing to one of the Mennonite men. He told this pastor, "I've heard your choir sing several times, I've heard the mens quartet from your church sing, & I believe they can sing quite well, but I am not sure, all the loud music that's used drowns out their voices. I really believe they would sing just as good as our choir if only you would cut out the loud music so that their voices could be heard.. Them again, perhaps they can't sing, & you use the loud music to keep people from knowing they're very poor singers." The pastor was stunned, he did not have the words to respond to this man that spoke truth to him.

But, in that SBC, the rock beat goes on, & for the most part in special songs that are sung, the sining voices are drowned out by the loud rock beat music that seems louder than ever. Most times you will not be able to understand the words being sung, unless you reading it off of something.

Pr 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

And there is no doubt, in many churches across this county there music in them that's leading its member right back into the world.

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I have been in a few churches over the years that used CCM music but they turn it into Choir and hymnal sounding and it sounded pleasent and it wasn't entertainment. I think it varies at each church what their motives are with using CCM music or alike. I do like traditional hymns and songs and ETC however at times I do like some modern songs to make a person think before a sermon is preached. I never felt it was for entertainment and each song that was sung CCM and southern gospel or traditional hymn brought me too the alter to pray to think , your singing to the Lord Jesus Christ and what difference does it make ifs old fashioned or modern Christian music? I agree that we should not entertain in churches but, at the other side of the spectrem some songs are oked because it sings about the Lord and the truth.
As for the Chris Tomlin Song Amazing Grace the chains are gone, he added that because the original writer(look it up to call me out) had wrote that in but he left that out for some reason. Its just talks about that the chains of sins is and are gone and Christ has forgave the person.

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Karrie, that is a helpful comment. It's too easy to be negative - we do not want to alienate our youngsters who may be hearing too much CCM. We include such songs, sung simply & straight.

It does seem that many of the old hymns that I have known & loved for 60 years are unfamiliar to many church-goers. I choose what I think will be well-known to find that even our Pastor doesn't known them. He is a Pakistani Christian, in England for around 15 years.

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I've read several articles about John Newton, never heard of chains being prat of his song or written down by him. I have read what has been called the original song written by him. Which I'm pasting below.


Amazing grace! (how sweet the sound)
That sav’d a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.
’Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears reliev’d;
How precious did that grace appear,
The hour I first believ’d!

Thro’ many dangers, toils and snares,
I have already come;
’Tis grace has brought me safe thus far,
And grace will lead me home.

The Lord has promis’d good to me,
His word my hope secures;
He will my shield and portion be,
As long as life endures.

Yes, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease;
I shall possess, within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.

The earth shall soon dissolve like snow,
The sun forbear to shine;
But God, who call’d me here below,
Will be forever mine.

And what is called the modern version.


Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost, but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.
’Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears relieved.
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed.

Through many dangers, toils and snares
I have already come;
’Tis grace hath brought me safe thus far
And grace will lead me home.

The Lord has promised good to me
His word my hope secures;
He will my shield and portion be,
As long as life endures.

Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
and mortal life shall cease,
I shall possess within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.

The earth shall soon dissolve like snow,
The sun forbear to shine;
But God, who call'd me here below,
Will be forever mine.


Some versions include an additional verse:

When we've been there ten thousand years,
Bright shining as the sun,
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we'd first begun.

I bought some tracts a few years back on Amazing Grace, believe it was about 500 hundred of them, it had nothing about chains. I have a feeling someone is trying to gain credibility making a false claim. Please notice, I did not say it was a false claim, I did say I feel its a false claim.

One thing about the old hymns we sing, they all tell a true Bible story, that is filled with Bible truths, they're actually a very short sermon. And they're sung in a manner that keeps the world out of the church. The rock beat modern songs cannot make that claim.

Sad thing is, many of the churches out there are filled with mostly lost people, they cannot discern between right & wrong in the sight of God, that is just something lost people cannot do, & never been able to do.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Sadly, many are following their precarious ways, even many of our brothers & sisters in Christ.

I have a feeling the idea of adding chains to Amazing Grace came from & old country western song, 'Take These Chains From My Heart,' of course I could be wrong on that.

Yet, as I said before, I totally dislike anyone changing the old hymns, they're great just as they are. If they want to write a song, do so, & leave the songs of others alone. And do not try to make a name & a few bucks for your self off of someone else's old hymn.

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