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Do you have an ability to recognize expertly some craft, workmanship, or one of the arts (paintings, sculpture, music, writings, etc.)? Thinking about it now it seems like something way beyond my capability. I do not have this knowledge or ability. I would like to think I can recognize KJV scripture to know if something sounds correct but, I can be fooled

If you do have this ability...
What particular art or craft is your expertise? Was it learned or did it come to you naturally? If learned did you have to practice it relentlessly or did it come easily?

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Does a natural capability for recognizing incorrect spelling or grammar count? :frog:


NO! particularly not mine :)

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Electrical work, especially conduit. I spot sloppy pipe work without trying.


Made me laugh...sorry if that wasn't the intent.

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Well, you did say craftsmanship.

Add sloppy wiring in panels to that.
Even the National Electric Code (I'm in the U.S.) require "workman like manner" but a lot of electricians feel "it looks good from my house" (they don't keep a job long with me like that)

As for arts -- I'm a musician, but hardly an "expert".

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Recognizing old quality castiron cookware.

As long as I can touch it (don't have to see it), the weight relative to size and the "texture" of the iron is enough to identify the craftsmanship that went into the piece. While a bit harder, even pieces coated with years of cooking "crud" give clues to what lies underneath. Listening to a piece will reveal hidden cracks.

This comes from actually cleaning and restoring old pieces, some my own and others from friends.

Old gate-marked pieces (the mark resulting from pouring molten iron into a mold) that don't carry a foundry's trademark have an interior so smooth it rivals modern non-stick. These pieces, often from the 1850's or so, have withstood the test of time. Modern non-stick tends to become useless through usage, while the old CI continues to improve with age.

The KJB is like an early Griswold skillet, much sought after by collectors. It has withstood the test of time and is well seasoned through use. The craftsmanship, when this skillet was poured at the foundry, is not being duplicated today by any producer anywhere, today.

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Well, you did say craftsmanship.

Add sloppy wiring in panels to that.
Even the National Electric Code (I'm in the U.S.) require "workman like manner" but a lot of electricians feel "it looks good from my house" (they don't keep a job long with me like that)

As for arts -- I'm a musician, but hardly an "expert".


I didn't think of wiring electric panels but this is just as much an art as any other.

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Recognizing old quality castiron cookware.

As long as I can touch it (don't have to see it), the weight relative to size and the "texture" of the iron is enough to identify the craftsmanship that went into the piece. While a bit harder, even pieces coated with years of cooking "crud" give clues to what lies underneath. Listening to a piece will reveal hidden cracks.

This comes from actually cleaning and restoring old pieces, some my own and others from friends.

Old gate-marked pieces (the mark resulting from pouring molten iron into a mold) that don't carry a foundry's trademark have an interior so smooth it rivals modern non-stick. These pieces, often from the 1850's or so, have withstood the test of time. Modern non-stick tends to become useless through usage, while the old CI continues to improve with age.

The KJB is like an early Griswold skillet, much sought after by collectors. It has withstood the test of time and is well seasoned through use. The craftsmanship, when this skillet was poured at the foundry, is not being duplicated today by any producer anywhere, today.


I was saving the tie-in for later, think I'll keep it under wraps a while longer.

God gives us these skills and talents and it's refreshing to see some folks who appreciate what God has given. I know folks who use these skills to glorify God in many ways. Some folks are just too self-indulged to see how they might use their skills and abilities. I'm sorry to say, I don't have an art/skill proficiency so I could use it to enhance my witnessing opportunities. I just have to kind of stand by staring and wishing I could.

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"Connoisseur" just means "picky" basically, right? hahaha.

Okay I'm "picky" about spelling and grammar. And I'm "picky" about food and, of course, cake decorating, and somewhat of a perfectionist in all of the above three areas. I enjoy reading and writing and doing stuff "in the background" like baking and things that don't deal very much with the public. (And why God saw fit to make me a pastor's wife, He'll just have to inform me in Heaven someday because I can't possibly figure it out. haha.)

Maybe God can use me somehow in my expanding cake business...I hope. Its been a blessing to be able to earn extra income for the family.

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As an artist blacksmith and blade smith I can appreciate all things done by hand, especially the "old forgotten" crafts and I also have a thing for cast iron cookware - my wife threw my whole collection out when we first got married and being the young naive newly wed christian divorce was not an option - we laugh about now - but I was not amused at the time.

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No, I'm just a lowly Christian, don't have hardly any worldly attributes. I just don't feel at home in this world any longer.


You know they are getting "old" when they make statements like this :stirthepot:

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Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise. Psalm 33:3

Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Ecclesiastes 9:10

Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men. Proverbs 22:29

He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster. Proverbs 18:9

And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Colossians 3:23


While we have to live in this world we all have worldly needs for worldly goods and services. It is just as much testimony to do an honest days work, and do your very best as it is to "witness" to people. Because people are watching, and they notice if you are a careless, lazy slacker who takes shortcuts or shortchanges them on quality, service and time. They also notice when you do right. It's part of "letting your light shine". I believe that it doesn't matter if you are a musician, plumber, electrician, garbage man, or preacher; you should strive diligently to be the VERY BEST you can possibly be at what you do. It honors God..

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Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise. Psalm 33:3

Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Ecclesiastes 9:10

Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men. Proverbs 22:29

He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster. Proverbs 18:9

And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Colossians 3:23


While we have to live in this world we all have worldly needs for worldly goods and services. It is just as much testimony to do an honest days work, and do your very best as it is to "witness" to people. Because people are watching, and they notice if you are a careless, lazy slacker who takes shortcuts or shortchanges them on quality, service and time. They also notice when you do right. It's part of "letting your light shine". I believe that it doesn't matter if you are a musician, plumber, electrician, garbage man, or preacher; you should strive diligently to be the VERY BEST you can possibly be at what you do. It honors God..


You did say you have sheep, right? So you're a shepherd too! Can you spot your own sheep from others?

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"Connoisseur" just means "picky" basically, right? hahaha.

Okay I'm "picky" about spelling and grammar. And I'm "picky" about food and, of course, cake decorating, and somewhat of a perfectionist in all of the above three areas. I enjoy reading and writing and doing stuff "in the background" like baking and things that don't deal very much with the public. (And why God saw fit to make me a pastor's wife, He'll just have to inform me in Heaven someday because I can't possibly figure it out. haha.)

Maybe God can use me somehow in my expanding cake business...I hope. Its been a blessing to be able to earn extra income for the family.


Can you spot your own cakes? Do you know others who's cakes you would recognize...like the competition?

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I have discerning tastebuds....any food or drink of high quality, I can recognize and love. I'd rather spend a bit more and eat less if the quality is outstanding....be it coffee, fine cheeses, organic milk, free range eggs, wine, beer, good olive oils, a fine meal at a fine dining establishment, etc. One of the true joys in life. :)

I also have a discerning taste in music. I love live music be it jazz, bluegrass, an amazing jam band, a great symphony, a Broadway show, etc. Another true joy in life.

God has given some people amazing abilities to make fine food and drink, or to make incredible music. It is great to be able to appreciate it from time to time.

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I have discerning tastebuds....any food or drink of high quality, I can recognize and love. I'd rather spend a bit more and eat less if the quality is outstanding....be it coffee, fine cheeses, organic milk, free range eggs, wine, beer, good olive oils, a fine meal at a fine dining establishment, etc. One of the true joys in life. :)

I also have a discerning taste in music. I love live music be it jazz, bluegrass, an amazing jam band, a great symphony, a Broadway show, etc. Another true joy in life.

God has given some people amazing abilities to make fine food and drink, or to make incredible music. It is great to be able to appreciate it from time to time.


If you were blind folded could you tell the difference between wine and beer producers?

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You did say you have sheep, right? So you're a shepherd too! Can you spot your own sheep from others?
Easily, I know all 40 of them by name and can tell you which babies go with which mama. I could choose all my sheep out from a much larger crowd, but then most of mine are not woolies; they are Barbado sheep. I might be able to do the same with a flock of woolies because no two sheep really look the same. It's not anything special. According to some studies, sheep can recognize each other and humans from sight alone.

I have one sheep named "Lilly Mae" who orients herself behind me every time I approach the feed trough, then dives between my legs when I pour it in, So there I am standing at the feed trough astraddle of a sheep. I don't know why she does it, but I've learned to brace myself because she is pretty wide. She was very skittish when I bought her, and wouldn't let me touch her. Not anymore. :) I really enjoy interacting with my sheep. Edited by heartstrings

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I have discerning tastebuds....any food or drink of high quality, I can recognize and love. I'd rather spend a bit more and eat less if the quality is outstanding....be it coffee, fine cheeses, organic milk, free range eggs, wine, beer, good olive oils, a fine meal at a fine dining establishment, etc. One of the true joys in life. :)

I also have a discerning taste in music. I love live music be it jazz, bluegrass, an amazing jam band, a great symphony, a Broadway show, etc. Another true joy in life.

God has given some people amazing abilities to make fine food and drink, or to make incredible music. It is great to be able to appreciate it from time to time.


If you had one meal of my Wife's cooking you'd junk it all and want to eat at my house from then on. :)

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If you were blind folded could you tell the difference between wine and beer producers?


I could tell you which type it was, the types of grapes that were used, etc. Coffee the same way...I can tell you what region it is from...whether grown in Guatamalla, Columbria, Ethiopia, Sumatra, etc.

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The question arose concerning recognizing your own work (cakes, etc) or stock.
I know my own cattle.
Some may have difficulty picturing this, but if a junction box was opened up and I examined the way the wires are organized and formed and the way the joints (the way the wires are twisted together and trimmed)are made -- I can identify my own, my men's work, and usually which one of my workers did it.

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So, it seems people are able to recognize their own work or the work of others who they have observed through the senses, i.e. smell, taste, feel, or appearance.

It appears folks do recognize similarity that is peculiar to a particular artisan, artist, or animal. :) A detail which sets them apart from any other but, one which you are able to recognize.

I would say that makes you folks connoisseurs!

I am not promoting the artist below...for example only...

Fernando Botero


Neo-Figurative Columbian artist Fernando Botero is best known for his paintings and sculptures that focus on situational portraiture. He is recognized for his robust, exaggerated human subjects that were often inspired by political and religious situations.

He began to experiment with volume in his paintings by creating subjects of exaggerated proportions. This would later define his art and be the recognizable trait that would render him world-known.


"define his art and be the recognizable trait"

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If men can look at art and recognize an artist or artisan's handiwork then, they can look at God's creation and see the recognizable trait that renders Him world-known as the creator of all this beauty and wonder.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

All things created have a cycle and within that overall cycle smaller cycles of the same repitition. This is continuing evidence that the Genesis 1 account of God creating all things is fact. The repetition of this cycle is that trait which for some is only dull whispers, but an ear bursting SHOUT to those who walk by faith; “In the beginning God created...”


Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


It therefore falls to those of faith, to help the dull of hearing, become connoisseurs of grace.

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