Shame For A Woman To Speak In Church.

[Guest]

The difference being, this was a public place, not in a church.

When did we place churches off limits to the public?

[Kitagrl 570]

When did we place churches off limits to the public?

That's not what he meant, and you know it.

The standard of behavior is higher in church than it is everywhere else. Read I Tim 3.... your screen name says you're close. haha ;-)

[JerryNumbers 2,474]

Jesus allowed women to publicly request things of him and He is in charge.

Mark 7:25-30



Luke 8:47 And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately.

They weren't allowed to teach or preach but to make prayer requests or testimonies/witnesses concerning the Lord. I have no problem with it.

He did, but was that in the setting of a New Testament Church? I think not, so we can not go by that, & we have to abide by 1 Ti. 2:11.

When growing up in a Baptist church out in the country side of Arkansas I remember women giving testimonies during services, but never praying. In business meeting, I don't remember them talking, but I remember them voting.

In their Sunday school class which met in the sanctuary it was both men & women, I never observed them, so I don't know what went on there.

Women taught the young boys, but when we became juniors it changed to men teachers & the girls kept women teachers. I recall some of my women teachers when I was young leading us in prayer.

[Seth Doty 301]

Look at the grammar. "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow.... AND....they conception.

That's two punishments IMHO..... He will multiply the woman's sorrow. (He did that to the man, too). He also multiplied her conception. With eternal life, my guess is that God would have made it to where she maybe had a baby every decade...every century....if life would have been eternal, then if women had babies every two years, the earth would be overpopulated if nobody ever died. When they sinned, now they only had a short time to populate the earth. God had to multiply the conception to be sure reproduction would happen, and happen quickly enough to populate the earth. Then after that, he applied the sorrow to the bringing forth of children, which could mean the pain, but could also just mean the difficulty in raising children as well, or c, all of the above. And yes being saved in childbearing to me means she will have a better time, but I am not sure how much that applies as obviously Christian women still died in childbirth...and similarly, there are very obedient children who grow up to die an early death (thus obedient kids don't always have a long life). Obviously God's promises are within His will, of course.

I pretty much agree but you know, if life would have been eternal and if women only had one baby every thousand years the earth would have eventually been "overpopulated" just as surely as if a baby was born every two years. Doesn't really make a difference either way. That is the thing about eternity. Also you figure in the fact that the men(and presumably the women as well) were living to 7,8 or 9 hundred years of age prior to the flood, so even if they did only end up having one kid every ten years or so they could still easily end up having 50+ kids in their lifetime.
Talk about greatly multiplying eves sorrow and conception. 50+ kids... :bleh:

[Guest]

That's not what he meant, and you know it.

The standard of behavior is higher in church than it is everywhere else. Read I Tim 3.... your screen name says you're close. haha ;-)

The answer was ambiguous, I don't know what he meant. I've read 1 Tim 3 many times. The standard was set by the Savior, He allowed women to approach him to make requests. Now, let me be clear, women giving testimony or witness in the church when it is requested is not out of order.

Jerry, I've said nothing in favor of women teaching, preaching, or praying for the church. I'll add that in purely women only classes and meetings the older women and/or leaders will pray and teach...no preaching.

When the discussion leaned to witness or testimony before the church I said I'm for that. As far as New Testament church, it doesn't get any newer or more correct than when Jesus Christ is the author. Jesus is the New Testament Church.

[Kitagrl 570]

The answer was ambiguous, I don't know what he meant. I've read 1 Tim 3 many times. The standard was set by the Savior, He allowed women to approach him to make requests. Now, let me be clear, women giving testimony or witness in the church when it is requested is not out of order.

Jerry, I've said nothing in favor of women teaching, preaching, or praying for the church. I'll add that in purely women only classes and meetings the older women and/or leaders will pray and teach...no preaching.

When the discussion leaned to witness or testimony before the church I said I'm for that. As far as New Testament church, it doesn't get any newer or more correct than when Jesus Christ is the author. Jesus is the New Testament Church.

I guess I don't really believe that Jesus Christ was the first pastor of the first church...He is our King, and the head of the church...the pastor is the servant..... that is why women could approach him.

[Guest]

I guess I don't really believe that Jesus Christ was the first pastor of the first church...He is our King, and the head of the church...the pastor is the servant..... that is why women could approach him.

Into the form of a servant, for me, it is unfathomable. Washed in His blood, clothed in His righteousness, washed clean from head to foot. A servant for me? Yes, very God, and my Lord.

[Kitagrl 570]

I don't know that women approached Christ in public during a "church service".

I'm just saying there are rules for church. I didn't make them...God did. And one of them is that women are to keep silence in front of the men in church. *shrug*

[Guest]

Yes, it could revolve around that point "church service."

So, I will jump at this opportunity to apologize to my brother John. I see what you were meaning...I can be thick as a brick some times or one brick shy of a load at others.

Yes, there are rules for conducting a worship service in our New Testament churches. We are to obey them and although I've seen it done (witness, testify); It is wrong for a woman to speak in the congregation assembled for the worship of God...collectively.

Edited April 18, 2012 by 1Tim115

[Miss Daisy 588]

At my church on wed night is Bible study and we do it in the sanctuary, small church no other room but downstairs. Anyway, we use study guides with questions and the pastor goes thru it and if I want to answer the question or ask a question I raise my hand and he calls my name to respond. Is this permissible since he says my name expecting a response?

[JerryNumbers 2,474]

At my church on wed night is Bible study and we do it in the sanctuary, small church no other room but downstairs. Anyway, we use study guides with questions and the pastor goes thru it and if I want to answer the question or ask a question I raise my hand and he calls my name to respond. Is this permissible since he says my name expecting a response?

I have no problem with it.

[John81 7,400]

At my church on wed night is Bible study and we do it in the sanctuary, small church no other room but downstairs. Anyway, we use study guides with questions and the pastor goes thru it and if I want to answer the question or ask a question I raise my hand and he calls my name to respond. Is this permissible since he says my name expecting a response?

Yes, such is permissible. A Bible study and a church service are two different things.

It's also clear from how you describe the Bible study, your pastor has established it in an orderly manner for growth in the Word.

[Guest]

At my church on wed night is Bible study and we do it in the sanctuary, small church no other room but downstairs. Anyway, we use study guides with questions and the pastor goes thru it and if I want to answer the question or ask a question I raise my hand and he calls my name to respond. Is this permissible since he says my name expecting a response?

Bible study time with directed questions are not a problem with me. Also, Prayer requests when requested are o.k. with me. Edited the last post to remove prayer request...oops.

[irishman 683]

perhaps the real problem is in desecration the sacred office, which is God's. He appointed men to preach, but He also guards His office, and we are not to desecrate it in any way.