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"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." Revelation 20:5

Men of God, what is the meaning of this verse? Who are the "rest of the dead" and what does it mean here by "the first resurrection"?

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"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." Revelation 20:5

Men of God, what is the meaning of this verse? Who are the "rest of the dead" and what does it mean here by "the first resurrection"?


It's the first resurrection IN THE CONTEXT of the events John is writing of at that time. Not the FIRST first resurrection.

Those who were slain for the testimony of Jesus Christ during the great tribulation will be raised before the millennium. Those who took the mark (the rest of the dead) will have to wait another thousand years for the Great White Throne Judgement.

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"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." Revelation 20:5

Men of God, what is the meaning of this verse? Who are the "rest of the dead" and what does it mean here by "the first resurrection"?


Revelation 20:5 is referring to the redeemed saints from the great tribulation in Revelation 20:4 being part of the first resurrection. The rest of the dead who will not be redeemed at this point in time, will be redeemed at the great white throne Judgment and they have part in the resurrection to damnation. Edited by Eric Stahl

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Revelation 2:5 is referring to the redeemed saints from the great tribulation in Revelation 20:4 being part of the first resurrection. The rest of the dead who will not be redeemed at this point in time, will be redeemed at the great white throne Judgment and they have part in the resurrection to damnation.

That "redemption at the great white throne" is not the redemption we experience - your redeemed suffer "the resurrection to damnation." Do you mean what you write???????

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"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." Revelation 20:5

Men of God, what is the meaning of this verse? Who are the "rest of the dead" and what does it mean here by "the first resurrection"?

I believe the whole Bible, so hesitate to comment on a single verse without the context.
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And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgme
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was given u
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o them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had n
ot
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

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But the rest of the dead lived n
ot
again u
nt
il the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

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Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


John saw the souls of the martyrs not resurrected bodies. The first resurrection protects against the second death. Those martyrs are therefore dead believers in heaven, living & reigning with Christ. Where do we read about such a resurrection of souls, not a bodily resurrection?
John 5:
24
Verily, verily, I say u
nt
o you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that se
nt
me, hath everlasting life, and shall n
ot
come i
nt
o condemnation; but is passed from death u
nt
o life.

25
Verily, verily, I say u
nt
o you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.


Jesus is speaking of a spiritual resurrection, for when we believed, we passed from death (dead in trespasses & sins) to eternal life. Because we believe in Jesus, we shall not come into condemnation. We will not suffer the second death, aka the resurrection of damnation.

Is there any hint in the Gospels & epistles of the complex situation that the disps teach around Christ's return & after?

To answer the first part of your question, the rest of the dead are dead unbelievers, presently suffering in a hell for souls, who are awaiting a final resurrection of damnation.

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In researching this I came across something that puts forth the idea that the resurrection spoken of here is of those who never had the opportunity to receive or reject Christ.

Anyone else ever heard of this?

It was explained this would be their first resurrection and that the other resurrections were for the saved and already damned.

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I believe the whole Bible, so hesitate to comment on a single verse without the context.
4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgme
nt
was given u
nt
o them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had n
ot
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5
But the rest of the dead lived n
ot
again u
nt
il the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


John saw the souls of the martyrs not resurrected bodies. The first resurrection protects against the second death. Those martyrs are therefore dead believers in heaven, living & reigning with Christ. Where do we read about such a resurrection of souls, not a bodily resurrection?
John 5:
24
Verily, verily, I say u
nt
o you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that se
nt
me, hath everlasting life, and shall n
ot
come i
nt
o condemnation; but is passed from death u
nt
o life.

25
Verily, verily, I say u
nt
o you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.


Jesus is speaking of a spiritual resurrection, for when we believed, we passed from death (dead in trespasses & sins) to eternal life. Because we believe in Jesus, we shall not come into condemnation. We will not suffer the second death, aka the resurrection of damnation.

Is there any hint in the Gospels & epistles of the complex situation that the disps teach around Christ's return & after?

To answer the first part of your question, the rest of the dead are dead unbelievers, presently suffering in a hell for souls, who are awaiting a final resurrection of damnation.


Yes their souls are resurrected from hell and their bodies are redeemed from the earth too.

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No 2nd changes, after death.

Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Of course while we humans live, we have many opportunities, yet after death, its settled forever.

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No 2nd changes, after death.

Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Of course while we humans live, we have many opportunities, yet after death, its settled forever.


And when Jesus returns and we meet him in the air.

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In researching this I came across something that puts forth the idea that the resurrection spoken of here is of those who never had the opportunity to receive or reject Christ.

Anyone else ever heard of this?

It was explained this would be their first resurrection and that the other resurrections were for the saved and already damned.


The passage is clear as day that those who are part of the first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5 are those who paid the price for the testimony of Jesus Christ during the tribulation. There is no need to make it something that it isn't.

The "rest of the dead" have nothing to do with the first resurrection. If you read the verse alone without context it will sound like that the first resurrection involves the dead after the 1000 years. This is why you need to read the whole thing in context. Edited by Wilchbla

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In researching this I came across something that puts forth the idea that the resurrection spoken of here is of those who never had the opportunity to receive or reject Christ.

Anyone else ever heard of this?

It was explained this would be their first resurrection and that the other resurrections were for the saved and already damned.


It'd be nice, but how would that work with "it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgement"?

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Revelation 2:5 is referring to the redeemed saints from the great tribulation in Revelation 20:4 being part of the first resurrection. The rest of the dead who will not be redeemed at this point in time, will be redeemed at the great white throne Judgment and they have part in the resurrection to damnation.


"will be redeemed at the great white throne judgement"
Nobody will be redeemed at the great white throne judgement. I'm sure you made a mistake here...have another cup of coffee... :)

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"will be redeemed at the great white throne judgement"
Nobody will be redeemed at the great white throne judgement. I'm sure you made a mistake here...have another cup of coffee... :)


Romans 8:23 explains that the redemption is for the body. Even the unsaved will be redeemed physically for judgment at the Great White Throne. Edited by Eric Stahl

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It'd be nice, but how would that work with "it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgement"?

I agree. This was the first time I had ever heard of this idea so I thought I would see if others had any thoughts on this.

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Romans 8:23 explains that the redemption is for the body. Even the unsaved will be redeemed physically for judgment at the Great White Throne.

:15huh:

On the one hand, at best you chose words recklessly; on the other hand, at worst you are waaaay out to lunch.

I believe the following tells who and what appears at the great white throne...

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

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:15huh:

On the one hand, at best you chose words recklessly; on the other hand, at worst you are waaaay out to lunch.

I believe the following tells who and what appears at the great white throne...

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


1 Tim 115'

The dead that will stand before God will be redeemed from the earth both body and soul.

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1 Tim 115'

The dead that will stand before God will be redeemed from the earth both body and soul.


Eric, redemption is through the shed blood of Jesus Christ which none at the great white throne can claim. You bolded the wrong part of the verse. Christ opens "the book of life" those present won't be in it and they are judged "according to their works" we who are saved are not saved by our works. These folks are not redeemed people. My physical body will not be present at the the great white throne judgement, if your's will be then I don't know what to tell you. Dead bodies of saints (the saved) aren't judged.

My body of corruption will have long since dissipated and I will be a spirit. I'll be running around in a new body and my only presence at the great white throne will be observation and possibly tears (Rev. 21:4).

I do believe my physical body will be changed when God raises me from the dead or snatches me out of this place...whichever comes first.

See 1 Cor. 15:35-54 and especially...

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

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I agree. This was the first time I had ever heard of this idea so I thought I would see if others had any thoughts on this.


This "first resurrection" is a universal resurrection of all believers up to and including the tribulation saints that were killed during that time. The "first resurrection" is in multiple parts though, it is not a single one time event. For example Christ himself was part of this "first resurrection". Christ was raised as the firstfruits of this "first resurrection", then then believers are raised at Christs pre-trib coming for believers in the air, and lastly those saved & killed during the great trib are resurrected just prior to the thousand year reign of Christ. "The rest of the dead" refers to the unbelievers who are not raised & judged till the great white throne judgement after the end of the the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth.

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1 Tim 115'

The dead that will stand before God will be redeemed from the earth both body and soul.



I know what your saying, but redeemed is the wrong word, the lost will not be redeemed, they will be resurrected, judged, & cast into the lake of fire, & that is not the same as being redeemed.

Webster's 1828 Dictionary [K-Z]
redeemed
REDEE'MED, pp. Ransomed; delivered from bondage, distress, penalty, liability, or from the possession of another, by paying an equivalent.

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I know what your saying, but redeemed is the wrong word, the lost will not be redeemed, they will be resurrected, judged, & cast into the lake of fire, & that is not the same as being redeemed.

Webster's 1828 Dictionary [K-Z]
redeemed
REDEE'MED, pp. Ransomed; delivered from bondage, distress, penalty, liability, or from the possession of another, by paying an equivalent.


OK I see what you mean.

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This "first resurrection" is a universal resurrection of all believers up to and including the tribulation saints that were killed during that time. The "first resurrection" is in multiple parts though, it is not a single one time event. For example Christ himself was part of this "first resurrection". Christ was raised as the firstfruits of this "first resurrection", then then believers are raised at Christs pre-trib coming for believers in the air, and lastly those saved & killed during the great trib are resurrected just prior to the thousand year reign of Christ. "The rest of the dead" refers to the unbelievers who are not raised & judged till the great white throne judgement after the end of the the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth.


Seth-Doty there will also be a mid tribulation catching up see my post on "The five phases of the first resurection"

(3) The mid tribulation catching up will include the two witnesses Revelation 11:3,7-14 KJV, the 144,000 sealed Jews from Revelation chapter 7 who where redeemed from the earth. Revelation 14:1-4 KJV, and the redeemed dead saints from the first half of the Tribulation. See Revelation 15:1-4 KJV

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