Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted March 14, 2012 Members Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Leviticus 10:8-11 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, saying, Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations: And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean; And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses. An interesting thought concerning Leviticus 10:8-11... This passage says nothing about drunkenness, only the drinking of fermented drink. God says "Don't drink it" Why? So that their judgment is not blurred; so that they can differentiate between holy and unholy. Obviously, God knew even a swallow of alcohol was enough to deceive the one who drinks. He wanted the Priest's minds to be focused on the things of God completely. One drink apparently was enough to deceive a man as Solomon rightly wrote (Proverbs 20:1) Since the drinking of alcohol obviously would cause the priest to err in judgment, how can we today say that we are allowed to drink ourselves? We, as children of God, should have the desire to do that which is pleasing to the Lord. We should endeavor to keep from alcohol so that we may know the difference between holy and unholy. Edited March 14, 2012 by Standing Firm In Christ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 2Tim215 Posted March 14, 2012 Members Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sorry 2Tim, but I have to disagree with you on your interpretation of Hosea 4:11 Hosea 4:11 is not speaking of drunkenness at all. It is speaking of the heart turning toward something other than God. In Hosea, the heart is turned from God and to whoredom, wine, and new wine. New wine in that verse is tiroshe, which is always interpreted as a grape juice and not as an alcohol. I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted March 14, 2012 Members Share Posted March 14, 2012 For the most part I agreed with your post, except for the interpretation of Hosea 4:11. If it is any consolation, at one time I thought that verse was about drunkenness, but a close study of it and the word "tirosh" caused me to rethink my thinking. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 2Tim215 Posted March 14, 2012 Members Share Posted March 14, 2012 For the most part I agreed with your post, except for the interpretation of Hosea 4:11. If it is any consolation, at one time I thought that verse was about drunkenness, but a close study of it and the word "tirosh" caused me to rethink my thinking. lol Had a closer look and agree with your assessment. With the amount of wine, strong drink, adultery, etc, etc in the Bible with Gods chosen people, one can't but wonder why He hasn't destroyed us all yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JerryNumbers Posted March 14, 2012 Members Share Posted March 14, 2012 Had a closer look and agree with your assessment. With the amount of wine, strong drink, adultery, etc, etc in the Bible with Gods chosen people, one can't but wonder why He hasn't destroyed us all yet. Amazing grace, right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wilchbla Posted March 15, 2012 Members Share Posted March 15, 2012 I'm probably in the minority who think wine means wine, not grape juice, in the bible and alcohol can be consumed in moderation. Yet at the same time I think in present day America Christians should avoid this because the unbelievers on the most part think you should avoid it and in America alcohol has a reputation of being the "devil's drink". At least it did at one time. I've also heard that the alcohol content of modern day alcohol as way beyond the content of alcohol in booze back in the old days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted March 15, 2012 Members Share Posted March 15, 2012 And yet, the Word of God warns us against even looking upon fermented wine because of its deceptive qualities. If we were to buy into your theory, we would have to come to the conclusion that God is just playing a game with us people on Earth. Telling some to drink alcohol while telling others not to experience it, nor to approve of it. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LindaR Posted March 15, 2012 Members Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) Consuming alcohol in moderation is a lie from the devil. How much is considered drinking "in moderation"? The idea that a "little bit won't hurt" (the lie of drinking in moderation) is deceptive and "whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise"!Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Alcohol is called an "intoxicant" for a reason. It is "toxic". Jesus didn't drink it, nor did He turn the water into fermented wine. Edited March 15, 2012 by LindaR John81 and Pastor Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Calvary Posted March 15, 2012 Members Share Posted March 15, 2012 Yes, I've worked in a prison and seen what can be done by some prisoners! Pruno! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1Timothy115 Posted March 15, 2012 Members Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) I don't have a iron in this fire; I don't drink fermented or effervesced drinks anyway. edited to correct sentence structure Edited March 15, 2012 by 1Tim115 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Seth Doty Posted March 16, 2012 Members Share Posted March 16, 2012 Since Scripture is full of warnings against fermented drink, why would God tell someone they could buy and drink it? Same reason God gave the children of Israel quail when they complained about the manna. Same reason divorce was permitted, multiple, marriages were permitted, concubines were permitted, etc. None of that was wise or Gods perfect will, but it was allowed because of the hardness of the heart of men. God tolerating and permitting something is not the same as God endorsing it. Wilchbla and Calvary 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wilchbla Posted March 16, 2012 Members Share Posted March 16, 2012 Pruno! lol Mash! I also once worked as a correctional officer in a prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wilchbla Posted March 16, 2012 Members Share Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) I don't have a iron in this fire; I don't drink fermented or effervesced drinks anyway. edited to correct sentence structure Neither do I drink yet the OP brought up a good point to be discussed. Edited March 16, 2012 by Wilchbla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wilchbla Posted March 16, 2012 Members Share Posted March 16, 2012 Consuming alcohol in moderation is a lie from the devil. How much is considered drinking "in moderation"? The idea that a "little bit won't hurt" (the lie of drinking in moderation) is deceptive and "whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise"!Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Alcohol is called an "intoxicant" for a reason. It is "toxic". Jesus didn't drink it, nor did He turn the water into fermented wine. I don't know. What is moderation in anything? I guess it's between that Christian and his God to decide. By the way, you can become intoxicated by drinking too much water also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wilchbla Posted March 16, 2012 Members Share Posted March 16, 2012 Same reason God gave the children of Israel quail when they complained about the manna. Same reason divorce was permitted, multiple, marriages were permitted, concubines were permitted, etc. None of that was wise or Gods perfect will, but it was allowed because of the hardness of the heart of men. God tolerating and permitting something is not the same as God endorsing it. Yeah, this is good. Like it says in Acts that in the past God "wink" at some behavior but now commands all men to repent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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