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  1. 1. Is Joel Osteen a preacher or a motivational speaker? lol

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That's easy - the message FROM THE WORD OF GOD that the Lord puts on his heart from his time in prayer and study of the Word.

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If I am correct his ministry just filed a theft case that some one stole $600,000 dollars last weekend from his ministry.  I just couldn't see this being done seeing that he has such a large staff and supposedly multiple accountability levels for those who handle the tithes and offerings.

 

What got me was they had insurance to cover stolen money.

 

Seems to me this may be an insurance scam.

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One news report I heard said the money was stolen from a safe. Banks are closed on Sunday so the money is typically put in the safe until it can be put in the bank on Monday.

 

The insurance wasn't just for money, it was insurance that covers theft and such.

 

At the moment, there is no reason to view this as a scam.

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From a safe then they already know who stole it.  according to a member there I know they have a computerized safe  and it is set up that two peoples pin numbers must be entered into the safe's digital lock in order to open it.  so either two people were there and they used their numbers to open the safe the record is in the safe's system or was recorded to the computer in the office that the safe uses to record who uses the safe.  If that system was over-ridden I would still be suspicious that is was an inside job and more than likely it is a scam.  Because all you have is their word there was $600,000 in that safe. 

 

Generally all checks are separated from the cash.  Checks are not usually kept in the safe.  and one must remember that most banks have deposit boxes for businesses and churches to use for large sums accessible at their nearest bank location even on sundays.

 

It all sounds to convenient.  Watch the IRS jump on this and they look a bit closer to the ministries staff  income taxes and and claimed expenditures.  Remember these are to be NON PROFIT ORG they are to be pretty much in the black or red very few are in the green.

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Osteen does teach one is robbing God if one does not tithe. He is wrong.

I don't see where I said anything about his teaching tithing or not.  that was Donillo

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I was addressing Donillo's post.

I see you edited and removed my name from the quote in your earlier post.  I was just making sure you knew it wasn't me but Danillo who made those remarks.  before you edited it it looked as though you were speaking to me.

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I see you edited and removed my name from the quote in your earlier post.  I was just making sure you knew it wasn't me but Danillo who made those remarks.  before you edited it it looked as though you were speaking to me.

I am not sure how it happened.  I had gone to the last post on the previous page and hit the quote button.  My blind eyes did not see that somehow I had quoted you. 

Forgive me.

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I am not sure how it happened.  I had gone to the last post on the previous page and hit the quote button.  My blind eyes did not see that somehow I had quoted you. 

Forgive me.

oh of course, I have already done so.

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I watched Osteen last Sunday because I was home recovering from a surgery . I thought he was quite good. He said we shouldn't allow others to bring us down and gave scripture to back it up. Very edifying.

 

Candy cane preaching about self, making people feel good, not preaching the gospel.  Which MV did he quote from?

 

If just 1/2th of the people who filled his stadium were biblically saved Houston would be run by conservative statesmen and not liberal politicians.

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Even if all of Osteens church were filled with born again Christians that wouldn't mean they would be involved in or even effecting political change.

 

That said, I've listened to Osteen preach a few times and I've read his first three or four books. He does present the Gospel in the most basic form but beyond that he mostly preaches a motivational, self-help message which amounts to a very watered down version of growing in Christ. I noticed in his books that with each new book his message became more and more watered down.

 

Yes, Osteen uses Scripture, but not to the fullest extent and not always in right context. He leaves out much of what Scripture teaches, for the sake of political correctness and popularity, which hinders growth in Christ and limits the message of Scripture.

 

The way he preaches today, one could easily make a "decision" for Christ that isn't being born again but would give them a false hope and belief they are good with God. Then the watered down preaching on Christian living would help them to think they are good Christians when in fact they are still lost. That's one of the greatest dangers of his preaching.

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Political change is always effected when Christians get right and people get saved.

I'm not sure about this. It can swing either way. I think persecution and rejection can be ratcheted up too. Depends on how wicked the nation is those Christians reside in. 

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I'm not sure about this. It can swing either way. I think persecution and rejection can be ratcheted up too. Depends on how wicked the nation is those Christians reside in. 

Surely, persecution and rejection can be ratcheted up - I totally agree there. And it would depend on the wickedness of the nation. But change always happens - even if it doesn't look like it's for the better. 

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Surely, persecution and rejection can be ratcheted up - I totally agree there. And it would depend on the wickedness of the nation. But change always happens - even if it doesn't look like it's for the better. 

I think in America it would be change for the better. America hasn't fallen that far away from her roots yet, IMO.

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Even if all of Osteens church were filled with born again Christians that wouldn't mean they would be involved in or even effecting political change.

 

That said, I've listened to Osteen preach a few times and I've read his first three or four books. He does present the Gospel in the most basic form but beyond that he mostly preaches a motivational, self-help message which amounts to a very watered down version of growing in Christ. I noticed in his books that with each new book his message became more and more watered down.

 

Yes, Osteen uses Scripture, but not to the fullest extent and not always in right context. He leaves out much of what Scripture teaches, for the sake of political correctness and popularity, which hinders growth in Christ and limits the message of Scripture.

 

The way he preaches today, one could easily make a "decision" for Christ that isn't being born again but would give them a false hope and belief they are good with God. Then the watered down preaching on Christian living would help them to think they are good Christians when in fact they are still lost. That's one of the greatest dangers of his preaching.

 

 

Political change is always effected when Christians get right and people get saved.

 

As LuAnne alluded to, if they're saved the bible's way with a new heart and new desires, when it comes to politics they'll start to choose more Godly candidates and not these self-serving heathens that rule the roost.

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Even with the amount of people in Osteen's church wanting to vote for more godly candidates (and we don't know how many already do this) that doesn't mean there would be more godly candidates for them to vote for; it doesn't mean they would all agree on which candidates to vote for, it also doesn't mean their votes would be enough to sway the balance of political power in Houston.

 

As we've seen time and again, especially on the Federal level, but also on State and local levels, born again Christians are not of one political mind, waver greatly when it comes to making up their mind on candidates (with many being fickle), and hold to a wide variety of views as to just what role the government should play, just how much and what kind of change they want (and what they want to keep the same or expand), and they refuse to work together in the primaries to get better candidates on the general ballot because they are divided as to what makes a good candidate.

 

The last two presidential elections have starkly pointed out the divisions and lack of core conviction and vision on the part of Christians in the political process. 

 

I probably shouldn't be, but I'm still amazed at the broad and deep divisions among born again Christians in regards to political philosophy, understanding of the government, Constitution, what's actually going on today, etc.

 

There are even IFBs who will vote for a Democrat simply because they believe the Democrat will protect whatever their pet benefit/hand out the government gives them. They ignore the unbiblical stances on "social issues" of the Democrat; they don't care what the Constitution says. When it comes to voting, they vote very much like many lost folks, according to what they believe will personally benefit them.

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I listened to one of his sermons and it was the most edifying I have ever heard... maybe it was just "dumb luck".

Look, we have a mixed audience in the congregation, of non-believers, believers that have no "connection" to

the Holy Spirit, and then we have a handful of Spiritual Christians.  What kind of "message" should a "pastor" deliver?

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I listened to one of his sermons and it was the most edifying I have ever heard... maybe it was just "dumb luck".
Look, we have a mixed audience in the congregation, of non-believers, believers that have no "connection" to
the Holy Spirit, and then we have a handful of Spiritual Christians. What kind of "message" should a "pastor" deliver?


That's easy - the message FROM THE WORD OF GOD that the Lord puts on his heart from his time in prayer and study of the Word.
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We also need to remember the church gathering is mainly to be a gathering of Christians together for fellowship, worship, prayer and instruction in righteousness so we all grow in Christlikeness and we spread the Gospel and make disciples wherever we may be.

 

That is to be the main focus in our regular gathering together.

 

We should not change our preaching and music and timing and order of events and such in an effort to appease non-christians. Knowing that in virtually every congregation there will be some unsaved, good pastors fit the Gospel into their sermons and call the lost to Christ even while the bulk of their sermon is geared toward the building up of the saints for the Lord's service.

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On 3/15/2012 at 9:35 PM, Wilchbla said:

I think Osteen's mouth is frozen into place in the shape of a smile. There is actually a neurological condition caused by smiling too much where the smile gets frozen into place. It's common among Japanese businessmen who are fake smiling all the time.

Yup I agree with you.

But Joel telles'em what they want to hear...and they want to hear they are going to get blessed and prosperous ......and although i dont like classifications and labels..hes all  the godliness is gain theology. No suffering and pain, just God will bless you if you come to my Houston church and put some money in the box to keep up the huge mortgage etc... or read my Osteen Books for a nominal

 

. People love to hear that they will be getting blessed and more prosperous in time if they just keep a comin...

 

Just my opinion from what I have seen, and Yes that smile is so fake...he even says he learned to preach not from the heart but from practicing before a mirror.

 

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