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SOPA and PIPA

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How does everyone feel about these pieces of legislature? I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up here. I think they are serious infringements on our freedom of speech.

If you don't know what they are, SOPA is the Stop Online Piracy Act and PIPA is the Protect IP Act. You can check out what Wikipedia has by going to this link -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Learn_more
Google has this -> https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/

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I think this legislation also requires that websites police there user's content to insure no plagiarism occurs. I don't know if Matt has the resources to do that. I even think that sites who fail to prevent persons using copywrited material can be shut down.

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One thing for sure, thieves needs to be stopped, & there should be a way. As for this site, its not in the business of selling, so it does not sell nor aid in selling of stolen stuff.

There are sties that do, & that's the way they make their money, & they should be shut down.

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For those who really want to know what this is about:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/the-tide-is-turning-against-sopa-and-we-might-actually-succeed-in-stopping-it.html
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/sopa-is-unconstitutional-would-criminalize-the-internet-china-is-the-model.html
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/01/job-creators-internet-creators-and-security-experts-hate-sopa.html
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/sopa-would-destroy-jobs-and-the-economy-so-why-is-the-afl-cio-supporting-it.html
http://azizonomics.com/2012/01/18/the-internet-today/http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/big-supporters-of-sopa-encouraged-people-to-use-file-sharing-software-for-pirating-copyrighted-material.html

God bless,Larry

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I have no problem stopping illegal sites but, again this will open to a step of watching over what you say and do especially open forums like this. I don't want that to happen.

Yes, if the law were written so as to only deal with the illegal activities they say they want to halt then such might be well and good. The problem is with the broad way the law is written. As written, the law can (and will) be interpreted to encompass virtually all the internet and what occurs there. As written, if these were law freedom of the internet could become a thing of the past.

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There are a lot of things I don't like about these bills, but I think the biggest problem with it has been ignored by the media. These bills completely turn our system of jurisprudence upside down. Nowhere in American history has the government (whether it is the courts or an executive agency) ever been given the power to declare someone guilty without a trial. That is exactly what this law allows them to do. They can shut down your domain on suspicion of piracy, and then you have to take it to court in order to prove your innocence and have your domain restored. You get no hearing, trial, or even notice before your domain is shut down, and then you must take the government to court (likely at your own expense, since you will be the plaintiff in the case) in order for it to be restored. No longer are you innocent until proven guilty, you are guilty until proven innocent.

There are plenty of other reasons to not like this bill, but that argument is the one that I cannot believe no one is talking about.

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This site does not deal in file sharing of movies, songs, & junk, & there's lots & lots sties that do not deal in such things.

That man that was arrested, along with some of his helpers, that was the purpose of his site, he dealt in unlawful stuff, that was the purpose of their web site, & there is nothing legal about him nor his site. He was out to make money any way he could, & much of it, & people that are bent that way breaking the laws of this country needs to be stopped.

What good is our laws, if they're allowed to break them? And if they're allowed to break them, them everyone else ought to be allowed to break them as well. Why. Should be no respect of person, law breakers, who ever they are, should be stopped.

Oh, if sites like that are allowed to freely operate soon there will be many such sties operating, for if there is no consequences for wrong doing, MANY more will do wrong.

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There are a lot of things I don't like about these bills, but I think the biggest problem with it has been ignored by the media. These bills completely turn our system of jurisprudence upside down. Nowhere in American history has the government (whether it is the courts or an executive agency) ever been given the power to declare someone guilty without a trial. That is exactly what this law allows them to do. They can shut down your domain on suspicion of piracy, and then you have to take it to court in order to prove your innocence and have your domain restored. You get no hearing, trial, or even notice before your domain is shut down, and then you must take the government to court (likely at your own expense, since you will be the plaintiff in the case) in order for it to be restored. No longer are you innocent until proven guilty, you are guilty until proven innocent.

There are plenty of other reasons to not like this bill, but that argument is the one that I cannot believe no one is talking about.

Yes, that's my major concern. The bills are very poorly written, giving far too much power to the government and opening wide the doors of abuse that could bring about instant censorship of the internet. If passed, these as law could eventually used to shut down Christian websites and those of political opponents and those posting speech the government doesn't want heard.

As written, all this can be done whether a person or group is guilty or not. The hoops that could easily be set up for one to prove their innocence could be prohibitive to most.

If the bills were written in a way they truly only targetted those engaged in piracy, and targetted them in accord with the Constitution, then I could support them. As they are now, they are unconstitutional, therefore illegal, and they are very dangerous and should be opposed.

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This site does not deal in file sharing of movies, songs, & junk, & there's lots & lots sties that do not deal in such things.



But if users here uploaded a video of a song, or used a copyrighted picture in their avatar, the site could be held accountable. At least that's one way I understood it.

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But if users here uploaded a video of a song, or used a copyrighted picture in their avatar, the site could be held accountable. At least that's one way I understood it.


That was my first impression too.

I think this legislation also requires that websites police there user's content to insure no plagiarism occurs. I don't know if Matt has the resources to do that. I even think that sites who fail to prevent persons using copywrited material can be shut down.

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