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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

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Beaver traps have a jaw spread of around 7.5 inches and are generally the largest and strongest traps used(bear traps aren't really used any more), and even they won't do that. Worst that might possibly happen with those is a bruise or a bruise leading to losing a fingernail if you snapped it on. Most wouldn't even do that. The fox size doesn't even hurt on your fingers. To "near pinch the ends off" of your finger you would have to have sharp jaws on the trap. Smooth rounded jaws do not do that, and I have been pinched both intentionally and accidentally with several different size traps over the years. As far the dog that broke his leg, not saying that might not be possible, but it was most likely the result of a poorly swiveled trap, not the fault of the trap itself. I am guessing this was quite a few years ago... I use to have a dog that would get himself caught in my traps fairly regularly. He would yelp and jump but then he would sit down and I would let him out. He never seriously hurt or broke a thing. He would hold up the paw that had been caught and hop around for a couple of minutes but then he would forget about it and go about as if nothing had happened.


You have not been around the traps I have. I will stop here, if you do not believe me, that's OK!
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I believe you, Jerry.

Here is a site that shows what those traps can do. Feet sure look broke to me.


Haa.. that site is pure propaganda. The picture of the coyote in a trap is realistic enough but the caption says it is being "left to die of hunger or thirst".That is pretty silly and shows their slant. The picture of the coyote foot was most likely done with a hatchet, not a trap. Even if someone knows nothing about traps just think about it logically for a moment. All the bones in that foot are not only broken but severed. The only thing holding it on is a strip of skin on one side. I could easily pull it off with my hands at that point. Now is a logical person supposed to believe that a trap would be so powerful as to sever that coyote foot almost completely an yet not take it off completely? Even if we were to allow that for the sake of the argument why would the coyote not escape? One or two tugs would do it. It isn't trap damage at all. Same thing for the photo of the dog. If you blow it up you can see the area that "looks" damaged is above where the trap has a grip. The trap only has the dog by three toes(it is a 1.5 size trap designed for smaller animals) and the toes are not damaged at all. As I said, it is all propaganda pure and simple.

If your into pictures here are a couple I took just tonight to prove the point.

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This is a beaver trap. Jaw spread is 7.5 inches. Traps this size are to large to legally set on land in many states. I use it for the pictures to make a point as your unlikely to come across more powerful foothold traps in use except in alaska. As you can see it is not exactly small or weak, and it is four coiled(extra springs) which gives it extra power. In fairness it is also laminated(extra jaw thickness) which brings it back about even with a unmodified trap. Typically traps will be smaller and less powerful than this one though.

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Ahhh... my fingers are being chopped off... :frog:

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Oh the agony, I better chew my hand off quick. :wink

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As you can see, other than the rust stains(new trap not yet treated for field use) and a slight depression in the skin, my fingers are none the worse for it. No blood, no broken bones. Now if I was in the trap for hours pulling and jerking it would cause some local bruising and there would also be some swelling from the lack of circulation, but that is about it. That is why trappers not infrequently release smaller animals they don't want. Edited by Seth-Doty
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Of course the traps I spoke of was made way before my birth in 1946, belonging to my mothers father. I believe he was about 85 when he died in 47, & I believe she told me until I used them they had been hanging up in the smoke house since her father turned 45 years of age.

They were round in shape, several had the double springs. They were hanging in our old smoke house, & I had to try them out in the woods behind our house.

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Tell you what Seth, put your hand in that trap and jump around for several minutes pulling and twisting every which way as hard as you can trying to get out of the trap. Let me know if you have more than "a little indentation and redness."

When an animal is trapped, it is scared. It does everything it can to get out. . So imitate that animal, then get back to us.

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Tell you what Seth, put your hand in that trap and jump around for several minutes pulling and twisting every which way as hard as you can trying to get out of the trap. Let me know if you have more than "a little indentation and redness."

When an animal is trapped, it is scared. It does everything it can to get out. . So imitate that animal, then get back to us.


Been there tried that. I had heard all the "stories" too as a child and wanted to make sure the traps were humane so I did jerk on the chain and pull to imitate a trapped animal. Results are the same with slightly more redness but that is it. More to the point when you catch the animal and see his foot the next day it looks the same. No blood and no broken bones. When you skin out the foot there is usually some light bruising under the hide but that is it. That is the whole point of smooth jaws, swivels and shock springs, they work. Edited by Seth-Doty
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Yeah, these "jaw traps" don't hurt animals... Right.




They can when improperly setup, but that is much like hunting. If you know what your doing and do it right it is reasonably humane. If you don't know what your doing, blaze away at everything and wound game it is not. Trapping is the same. If the pictures of my fingers in such a large and powerful trap don't mean anything to you then believe what you want, you will anyway. I could take countless pictures of unharmed animal feet too but I think I have demonstrated my point. I don't see any reason to argue it further.
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Here's a little "tidbit" from Dr. Henry M. Morris from Days of Praise, ( Dec 2, 2005) about Judas Iscariot:

His Own Place

by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

"And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place" (Acts 1:24-25).

The last three words of this passage have profound significance. Although Judas had walked with Christ and the other apostles for three years, he was out of place there all that time. It took the traumatic events of the final week of Jesus' ministry to reveal his true character.

At death, each of us will go to his own place, whether heaven or hell. If a person has found the company of Bible-believing, Bible-living Christians uncomfortable in this life, and feels more at home with the Bible-doubting, God-ignoring majority, then his own place will surely be with them in the future life. Such a person would be more miserable in heaven than in "his own place." The tragic words of the Bible's final chapter are these: "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still" (Revelation 22:11).

An artificial profession of belief, like that of Judas, will not change one's basic character. Sooner or later, that person will be found altogether out of place. "The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire" (2 Peter 2:22). Yet a true change of heart, through genuine faith in Christ, will change our eternal residence, as well, for then God "hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son" (Colossians 1:13).

There is, indeed, a wonderful "place" which Christ has gone to "prepare" for all those who truly desire to be with Him in His place! (John 14:2). HMM

His Own Place

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Excellent post, Linda!

That last paragraph reveals an interesting truth... "sooner or later, that person will be found out of place." The suicide has proven that person to be out of place even though that person may have made a profession of faith 10,20, 30, or even 50 years earlier. The sow that was washed still had a nature to wallow in the mud. Had an outward appearance of being clean, just as that suicide did... but proved that the outward form of cleanliness and godliness was only superficial. His true nature was not that of a changed person at all, and eventually the evil that was in his heart surfaced to reveal to all who he really served.

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Here's a little "tidbit" from Dr. Henry M. Morris from Days of Praise, ( Dec 2, 2005) about Judas Iscariot:

His Own Place

by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

"And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place" (Acts 1:24-25).

The last three words of this passage have profound significance. Although Judas had walked with Christ and the other apostles for three years, he was out of place there all that time. It took the traumatic events of the final week of Jesus' ministry to reveal his true character.

At death, each of us will go to his own place, whether heaven or hell. If a person has found the company of Bible-believing, Bible-living Christians uncomfortable in this life, and feels more at home with the Bible-doubting, God-ignoring majority, then his own place will surely be with them in the future life. Such a person would be more miserable in heaven than in "his own place." The tragic words of the Bible's final chapter are these: "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still" (Revelation 22:11).

An artificial profession of belief, like that of Judas, will not change one's basic character. Sooner or later, that person will be found altogether out of place. "The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire" (2 Peter 2:22). Yet a true change of heart, through genuine faith in Christ, will change our eternal residence, as well, for then God "hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son" (Colossians 1:13).

There is, indeed, a wonderful "place" which Christ has gone to "prepare" for all those who truly desire to be with Him in His place! (John 14:2). HMM

His Own Place


Yes, good thoughts.

I wonder about some people, & the life they live. I know in my heart that they would in no way feel comfortable in heaven, for everything they live for contradicts what God stands for. Yet they will say I'm a Christina, & I'm going to heaven.
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It is interesting, because Judas Iscariat companied with the Apostles; ate with them, traveled with them, etc.. The Apostles did not even suspect him of being the son of perdition. We see no indication that the other Apostles suspected him of any evil doings whatsoever. He appeared to be one that loved and served the Lord the same as they.

Yet, he went to his own place at the end.

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It is interesting, because Judas Iscariat companied with the Apostles; ate with them, traveled with them, etc.. The Apostles did not even suspect him of being the son of perdition. We see no indication that the other Apostles suspected him of any evil doings whatsoever. He appeared to be one that loved and served the Lord the same as they.

Yet, he went to his own place at the end.

Sadly there are many who think they are really Christians, they try to live a Christian life, to most they appear to be a Christian yet they have never been born again in Christ. Every so often I hear or read of someone who had thought they were a true Christian for years, sometimes decades, and then they were born again in Christ and can now see that all those years they thought they were right with God they were actually lost and would have gone to hell had they died at that time.

Jesus tells us in Scripture the day will come when many will proclaim they have done this and that for Christ, these are ones who thought they were Christians but were not actually biblical Christians, and Christ will inform them that He never knew them and they will be cast away along with all other lost folks.
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I believe that such traps as desribed here are illegal in this country, although in the past they were, there were even man traps. About 8 miles from here in some woods there is a tree called "The Mantrap Tree" where a trap was set and the tree grew through it and became a fullgrown tree with the trap around it. Not joining the discussion, just digressing.

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I have highlighted the part where you said that one could live as one pleases and still go to heaven. Even with your surrounding paragraphs it still says and means the same thing. You are teaching one can live as one pleases and still go to heaven.

And may I remind you of the unblblical doctrine you told of a man living a life of a drunkard, dying a drunkard and in heaven? Paul told the Church that drunkards are without. In other words, drunkards are not of the Body of Christ.... meaning they will not be in heaven. Nothing that defiles can enter God's kingdom, Tim., no matter how much you want it to.

And despite your claim in the quote that the Bible teaches one can live as one pleases, the very verses you posted prove your claim to be false. Paul said God forbid! (I notice you didn't red that important sentence. Pqaul told the Romans those who are dead to sin are not to continue in sin. In other words... don't live as you please.



Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

SFIC - The above verse is for you - you are the pharisee Jesus speaks of. I am the publican, a man that struggles every day with sin in his life. A man that does not claim to be perfect, holy or righteous on his own strength but rather ONLY through the blood of Christ. I sin every day. I fall every day, But I GET AGAIN UP EVERY DAY!! I don't pretend to be perfect and living without sin in my life on a forum where no one can actually see my daily life, where I am protected by anonymity.
I do not exalt myself above my fellow believer (well try not to unless some idiot with their arrogance upsets me) and neither do I attempt with every fiber of my being to make others doubt their salvation because it makes me feel holier as you like to do. The Word tells me I am saved because I believed. It tells me that my sins are as far removed as the east is from the west, it tells me that God has turned His back on my sin and that He no longer sees them, that I am covered by the blood of Christ and that that is all God sees. That I will NEVER be judged for my sin but only for my works or lack thereof. That I am ETERNALLY saved and that NOTHING I can ever do will EVER change that!

So stop pushing your Lordship salvation, your SELF righteous holier than thou living and your I am better than you arrogance. I am not interested.


Jerry, apologies for snapping at you. And no I did not say Judas was saved although it may have come across that way. My implication was that we do not know the finale outcome of Judas's act of repentance, his ultimate act of remorse nor what was in his heart at the time. And to SFIC remark about him (Judas) being of the devil - I remind him of this verse directed to the ROCK Peter (Mat 16:18):

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
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You wrongly judge me, 2Tim. I am no Pharisee.

You make unbiblical claims, then when your message is refuted using the Word of God, you attack the messenger.

Read the Gospels. The Pharisees were always delivering messages contrary to the truth, and when rebuked, they attacked the messenger of truth just as you are doing here.

And NEWS FLASH. If there was no change in you, or anyone else for that matter, after a profession of faith; i.e., living the same lifestyle as before the profession; i.e., still a drunkard, still a thief, still an adulterer, etc., then the profession of faith was dead faith.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

So many want to make a profession of faith in Christ but continue to live in their sin. That boat don't float. You cannot sit at the table of the Lord and drink from the cup of devils.

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