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Why do we need drums in our churches.

To me, a song sang with a piano is great, your can hear the words that are being sung clearly. Can't say that for many of the songs that have such loud music, seems many times the music drowns out the singer.

Some Sundays we have the TV turned on to a Baptist Church service while we are getting dressed, the pastor is quite good, but they have way to much music, they have a full instrument section, many times you cannot understand the singer for the music. But maybe that is the idea, the singer doesn't want you to hear the words they're singing.

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I once read an article that drums make you want to move your body with the beats.

Most tribal worship dance (or something like that) use drums. It sort of have a chanting beat to it.

But I don't know how I really feel about it. Because I do listen to symphony, and it has drums.

Plus, drums are the only instrument I can feel and hear pretty good with my hearing loss. If I'm wearing my hearing aids, I can hear the drums far better than I can hear the singing and other instruments. It is really the only instruments that can help me sing along with the music. Piano and guitars are too complex for me . I am totally deaf from high pitches.. My best hearing strength are low bass. which drums offer that, plus I need the beat because some musics are just way too hard for me to keep up. At least I can sense the change of beat from a drum. Bass guitars are not too bad either but it doesn't have that vibration effect to it as drum do. Drums is the only instrument I can feel and slightly hear WITHOUT my hearing aids (because of the low bass ). I have to touch other instruments to "hear" the music without my hearing aids. i don't have to touch the drums to feel them.

Again, I am not sure how I feel about it. Music isn't really all that important to me anyway.
Speaking of importance of music, which is offtopic, I get so annoyed by my aunt who repeatedly tell people, including me, that there is something deep wrong with people who don't like musics. But I would like to tell her even the most cold-hearted person like musics (like the VT murderer -- he would listen "Let it shine" all the time or something like that). I did ask her do they have to like certain musics to be normal? I was relieved to hear her say no, because she said she don't like opera. I told her I'm one of those who do like opera. ok back to the topic, I was just venting alittle bit because of her recent blog she wrote.

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Drums, like other instruments, can serve as soft background or loud music.

Like Jerry mentioned, I've seen some churches that have a loud horn section that really distracts. Any music, even the piano played too loud, can be a distraction and I'm not for that.

There is a great variety of drum beats (as there are guitar and piano notes) and a variety of uses for them. They can serve nicely in a symphony or moderately in some songs or overly obtrusive in some of that rock music.

This is getting away some from the original question, so I'll wait for more responses.

Thank you for your replies thus far!

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So, as John requested where is the specific Scripture that supports your particular view point concerning the use of drums or prohibition of drums during the worship of the Lord God?

I love to hear opinions and different personal standards each person has on the matter; and would even more enjoy specific Scripture to go along with that opinion.

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As with anything, drums can be used for evil or for good. If you went into a bar and heard the piano jangling away with honky-tonk music, you probably would come away with a negative conotation about the piano. Most rock musicians use guitars. That doesn't mean it is wrong to use a piano or guitar.

While drums are not specifically mentioned in the Bible, percussion instruments are....many times.

The tabret/timbrel (tambourine) is a form of a drum. You can shake it or strike it.

Spoiler for verses with tabret:

[spoiler]Genesis 31:27 Wherefore didst thou flee away secretly, and steal away from me; and didst not tell me, that I might have sent thee away with mirth, and with songs, with tabret, and with harp?
1 Samuel 10:5 After that thou shalt come to the hill of God, where is the garrison of the Philistines: and it shall come to pass, when thou art come thither to the city, that thou shalt meet a company of prophets coming down from the high place with a psaltery, and a tabret, and a pipe, and a harp, before them; and they shall prophesy:
Job 17:6 He hath made me also a byword of the people; and aforetime I was as a tabret.
Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.[/spoiler]

Spoiler for verses with timbrel:

[spoiler]Exodus 15:20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
Job 21:12 They take the timbrel and harp, and rejoice at the sound of the organ.
Psalm 81:2 Take a psalm, and bring hither the timbrel, the pleasant harp with the psaltery.
Psalm 149:3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
Psalm 150:4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.[/spoiler]


Cymbals are also percussion instruments that are loud and are to be clashed together.


[spoiler]2 Samuel 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.
1 Chronicles 13:8 And David and all Israel played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets.
1 Chronicles 15:16 And David spake to the chief of the Levites to appoint their brethren to be the singers with instruments of music, psalteries and harps and cymbals, sounding, by lifting up the voice with joy.
1 Chronicles 15:19 So the singers, Heman, Asaph, and Ethan, were appointed to sound with cymbals of brass;
1 Chronicles 15:28 Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the cornet, and with trumpets, and with cymbals, making a noise with psalteries and harps.
1 Chronicles 16:5 Asaph the chief, and next to him Zechariah, Jeiel, and Shemiramoth, and Jehiel, and Mattithiah, and Eliab, and Benaiah, and Obededom: and Jeiel with psalteries and with harps; but Asaph made a sound with cymbals;
1 Chronicles 16:42 And with them Heman and Jeduthun with trumpets and cymbals for those that should make a sound, and with musical instruments of God. And the sons of Jeduthun were porters.
1 Chronicles 25:1 Moreover David and the captains of the host separated to the service of the sons of Asaph, and of Heman, and of Jeduthun, who should prophesy with harps, with psalteries, and with cymbals: and the number of the workmen according to their service was:
1 Chronicles 25:6 All these were under the hands of their father for song in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, psalteries, and harps, for the service of the house of God, according to the king's order to Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman.
2 Chronicles 5:12 Also the Levites which were the singers, all of them of Asaph, of Heman, of Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, being arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps, stood at the east end of the altar, and with them an hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets:)
2 Chronicles 5:13 It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD;
2 Chronicles 29:25 And he set the Levites in the house of the LORD with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps, according to the commandment of David, and of Gad the king's seer, and Nathan the prophet: for so was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets.
Ezra 3:10 And when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, they set the priests in their apparel with trumpets, and the Levites the sons of Asaph with cymbals, to praise the LORD, after the ordinance of David king of Israel.
Nehemiah 12:27 And at the dedication of the wall of Jerusalem they sought the Levites out of all their places, to bring them to Jerusalem, to keep the dedication with gladness, both with thanksgivings, and with singing, with cymbals, psalteries, and with harps.
Psalm 150:5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.[/spoiler]


The problem in our modern culture is that so many churches, Christians and Christian musicians want to copy the world's sound. Often, when drums are used in churches, there is a drum set on the platform to the exclusion of other instruments. When the Bible mentions cymbals and tambourines being used to praise the Lord, they are mentioned in a list with other instruments.

Music has three parts: melody, harmony and rhythm. Like it or not, every song has a rhythm. It is the beat count. How many beats does each measure get? If a song is written in 3/4 time, you count: 1,2,3...1,2,3 for each measure. If it is written in 4/4 you count: 1,2,3,4....1,2,3,4 for every measure. That is the rhythm of the song. If a song has only melody but no harmony, it is lacking the richness and depth it could have. If only harmony was played, it would just sound weird. If one attempted to play a song without rhythm - well, that's almost impossible without producing a very flat, almost non-musical sound.

Orchestras use percussion instruments as one part of a whole. Percussion instruments provide the bass notes of a musical piece much like the bass singer provides the bass notes (bottom line) in a 4-part song. Percussion and rhythm belong in music - but not to the exclusion of everything else. I know of churches that use drums in an orchestra and it is perfectly fine and very beautiful. They don't have a rocky beat and aren't used exclusively. They along with other kinds of percussion instruments provide the rhythm (used in a good way) while the violins, trumpets, flutes, saxophones, etc. are providing melody and harmony.

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Good explanation, Jess!

The Bible (Palms, especially) is replete with instruction and exhortation to praise the Lord with music - both singing and instrumental. I think we get into some murky waters when we say outright that drums are bad. There are churches that won't use any kind of instruments and they think they are spiritual because of it. As Jess mentioned, specific percussion instruments (in which class drums fit) are mentioned as instruments of praise in scripture.

Drums have gotten a bad rap, IMO. They are used in rock music, and they are used in churches that are trying to be like the world. So should we throw them out? Well, pianos are, too. You ought to hear the pianos at my MIL's church...no mistaking the honky-tonky rocky sound coming from them! But at times there is good music played on them.

I have to say I agree that if the music is overpowering the words, there may be a problem.

We have a full orchestra in our church. And the music is just beautiful. That orchestra includes drums - both bass and kettle (is that what they're called?). We have tambourines ( :eek not used often :Green ), triangles, cymbals, brass, woodwind and strings. And we have two pianos (large auditorium - we really need two!) and a magnificent organ. It is a wonderful accompaniment to the congregational singing. At times the orchestra accompanies the choir, and at times plays offeratories or specials. Wonderful music. Do the drums take precedence? No. At times, when a march is played (during patriotic holidays or school programs, with the kids playing), the drum is obvious with the march beat. But that's the only time.

I really believe the key is to make sure that the music is played in a godly manner - glorifying the Lord, because, after all, isn't that what music is for? To glorify God and edify believers? to outright say that drums are evil is going too far, IMO. But each church needs to decide for themselves what they will do.

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[quote="Bakershalfdozen"]As with anything, drums can be used for evil or for good. If you went into a bar and heard the piano jangling away with honky-tonk music, you probably would come away with a negative conotation about the piano. Most rock musicians use guitars. That doesn't mean it is wrong to use a piano or guitar.

While drums are not specifically mentioned in the Bible, percussion instruments are....many times.

The tabret/timbrel (tambourine) is a form of a drum. You can shake it or strike it.

Spoiler for verses with tabret:

[spoiler]Genesis 31:27 Wherefore didst thou flee away secretly, and steal away from me; and didst not tell me, that I might have sent thee away with mirth, and with songs, with tabret, and with harp?
1 Samuel 10:5 After that thou shalt come to the hill of God, where is the garrison of the Philistines: and it shall come to pass, when thou art come thither to the city, that thou shalt meet a company of prophets coming down from the high place with a psaltery, and a tabret, and a pipe, and a harp, before them; and they shall prophesy:
Job 17:6 He hath made me also a byword of the people; and aforetime I was as a tabret.
Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.[/spoiler]

Spoiler for verses with timbrel:

[spoiler]Exodus 15:20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
Job 21:12 They take the timbrel and harp, and rejoice at the sound of the organ.
Psalm 81:2 Take a psalm, and bring hither the timbrel, the pleasant harp with the psaltery.
Psalm 149:3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
Psalm 150:4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.[/spoiler]


Cymbals are also percussion instruments that are loud and are to be clashed together.


[spoiler]2 Samuel 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.
1 Chronicles 13:8 And David and all Israel played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets.
1 Chronicles 15:16 And David spake to the chief of the Levites to appoint their brethren to be the singers with instruments of music, psalteries and harps and cymbals, sounding, by lifting up the voice with joy.
1 Chronicles 15:19 So the singers, Heman, Asaph, and Ethan, were appointed to sound with cymbals of brass;
1 Chronicles 15:28 Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the cornet, and with trumpets, and with cymbals, making a noise with psalteries and harps.
1 Chronicles 16:5 Asaph the chief, and next to him Zechariah, Jeiel, and Shemiramoth, and Jehiel, and Mattithiah, and Eliab, and Benaiah, and Obededom: and Jeiel with psalteries and with harps; but Asaph made a sound with cymbals;
1 Chronicles 16:42 And with them Heman and Jeduthun with trumpets and cymbals for those that should make a sound, and with musical instruments of God. And the sons of Jeduthun were porters.
1 Chronicles 25:1 Moreover David and the captains of the host separated to the service of the sons of Asaph, and of Heman, and of Jeduthun, who should prophesy with harps, with psalteries, and with cymbals: and the number of the workmen according to their service was:
1 Chronicles 25:6 All these were under the hands of their father for song in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, psalteries, and harps, for the service of the house of God, according to the king's order to Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman.
2 Chronicles 5:12 Also the Levites which were the singers, all of them of Asaph, of Heman, of Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, being arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps, stood at the east end of the altar, and with them an hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets:)
2 Chronicles 5:13 It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD;
2 Chronicles 29:25 And he set the Levites in the house of the LORD with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps, according to the commandment of David, and of Gad the king's seer, and Nathan the prophet: for so was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets.
Ezra 3:10 And when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, they set the priests in their apparel with trumpets, and the Levites the sons of Asaph with cymbals, to praise the LORD, after the ordinance of David king of Israel.
Nehemiah 12:27 And at the dedication of the wall of Jerusalem they sought the Levites out of all their places, to bring them to Jerusalem, to keep the dedication with gladness, both with thanksgivings, and with singing, with cymbals, psalteries, and with harps.
Psalm 150:5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.[/spoiler]


The problem in our modern culture is that so many churches, Christians and Christian musicians want to copy the world's sound. Often, when drums are used in churches, there is a drum set on the platform to the exclusion of other instruments. When the Bible mentions cymbals and tambourines being used to praise the Lord, they are mentioned in a list with other instruments.

Music has three parts: melody, harmony and rhythm. Like it or not, every song has a rhythm. It is the beat count. How many beats does each measure get? If a song is written in 3/4 time, you count: 1,2,3...1,2,3 for each measure. If it is written in 4/4 you count: 1,2,3,4....1,2,3,4 for every measure. That is the rhythm of the song. If a song has only melody but no harmony, it is lacking the richness and depth it could have. If only harmony was played, it would just sound weird. If one attempted to play a song without rhythm - well, that's almost impossible without producing a very flat, almost non-musical sound.

Orchestras use percussion instruments as one part of a whole. Percussion instruments provide the bass notes of a musical piece much like the bass singer provides the bass notes (bottom line) in a 4-part song. Percussion and rhythm belong in music - but not to the exclusion of everything else. I know of churches that use drums in an orchestra and it is perfectly fine and very beautiful. They don't have a rocky beat and aren't used exclusively. They along with other kinds of percussion instruments provide the rhythm (used in a good way) while the violins, trumpets, flutes, saxophones, etc. are providing melody and harmony.[/quote]

Very nice post. I would add further that in fact, without the rhythm (or the beat) most all music would sound like mush and chaos!

Also, im4given.....
Is a youTube reference considered on equal footing with a specific Scriptural reference concerning the subject?

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Also, im4given.....
Is a youTube reference considered on equal footing with a specific Scriptural reference concerning the subject?


Absolutely not - I am still praying for you TRC! :pray

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Wiccan and Voodoo Religions use drums exclusively for calling spirits.

The first video clip was in reference to a Haitian voodoo ceremony - which I hestitate to even provide link to - but just to illustrate.

This is a clip to a wiccan drum circle

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Wiccan and Voodoo Religions use drums exclusively for calling spirits.

The first video clip was in reference to a Haitian voodoo ceremony - which I hestitate to even provide link to - but just to illustrate.

This is a clip to a wiccan drum circle

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As for scriptural references the Bible is frought with references to not participate in false worship or accept pagan practices or adopt them as part of Christian Worship.

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Drums are the only instruments used to call evil spirits. They have no place in Holy Worship.
If the drums are used to call evil spirits, you are right. They have no place in worship of the Lord. But drums are inanimate objects. They are instruments in the hands of the users. If the people playing the drums are playing them in a way that calls up evil spirits, they are wrong. If they are playing them in a way that glorifies God, they aren't wrong.

Kinda like the snake charmers punji - it's much like a clarinet. So, do we do away with clarinets or any other reed instruments because the punji is used in that way? No.

I personally believe that if a culture is heavy with something like that (like in Africa), then perhaps wisdom would dictate not using them. But that would be up to the leaders of the church, under the direction of the Holy Spirit.

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If the drums are used to call evil spirits, you are right. They have no place in worship of the Lord. But drums are inanimate objects. They are instruments in the hands of the users. If the people playing the drums are playing them in a way that calls up evil spirits, they are wrong. If they are playing them in a way that glorifies God, they aren't wrong.

Kinda like the snake charmers punji - it's much like a clarinet. So, do we do away with clarinets or any other reed instruments because the punji is used in that way? No.

I personally believe that if a culture is heavy with something like that (like in Africa), then perhaps wisdom would dictate not using them. But that would be up to the leaders of the church, under the direction of the Holy Spirit.


You are wise beyond your years!

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If the drums are used to call evil spirits, you are right. They have no place in worship of the Lord. But drums are inanimate objects. They are instruments in the hands of the users. If the people playing the drums are playing them in a way that calls up evil spirits, they are wrong. If they are playing them in a way that glorifies God, they aren't wrong.

Kinda like the snake charmers punji - it's much like a clarinet. So, do we do away with clarinets or any other reed instruments because the punji is used in that way? No.

I personally believe that if a culture is heavy with something like that (like in Africa), then perhaps wisdom would dictate not using them. But that would be up to the leaders of the church, under the direction of the Holy Spirit.


Okay then lets suppose all demons just love the sound of drums and whenever any one is drumming they show up in droves. It does not matter to the demon who is drumming - or if it is drumming for them specifically - they just love the sound of drums. So someone who is unsaved is sitting in a church, just minding his own business listening to the lovely drumming sounds. Now who will the demons go after? Will they go after the saved members of the congregation or will the go after that poor sap sitting there just minding his own business? How many unsaved people are in jeopardy of demonic possession just becuase they like to listen to drums just as much as the demons do? I have sat in congregations and watched people become possessed by "spirits" - they thought it was the Holy Ghost, but I am quite certain it was not! because they were writhing and gyrating and jabbering like crazy people. I have always heard that Satan and his minions come to church every Sunday just to see who they can thwart in the gospel effort - either by demonic possession or causing good Christians to stumble and taint their testamony.

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Okay then lets suppose all demons just love the sound of drums and whenever any one is drumming they show up in droves. It does not matter to the demon who is drumming - or if it is drumming for them specifically - they just love the sound of drums. So someone who is unsaved is sitting in a church, just minding his own business listening to the lovely drumming sounds. Now who will the demons go after? Will they go after the saved members of the congregation or will the go after that poor sap sitting there just minding his own business? How many unsaved people are in jeopardy of demonic possession just becuase they like to listen to drums just as much as the demons do? I have sat in congregations and watched people become possessed by "spirits" - they thought it was the Holy Ghost, but I am quite certain it was not! because they were writhing and gyrating and jabbering like crazy people. I have always heard that Satan and his minions come to church every Sunday just to see who they can thwart in the gospel effort - either by demonic possession or causing good Christians to stumble and taint their testamony.


So what authoritative reference (Scriptures would be preferable) puts forth that "all demons just love the sound of drums and whenever any one is drumming they show up in droves?" What is your source of this information? This would help me to understand if you really believe your hypothetical instance or are you just "grasping at straws" to win a debate!

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Okay then lets suppose all demons just love the sound of drums and whenever any one is drumming they show up in droves. It does not matter to the demon who is drumming - or if it is drumming for them specifically - they just love the sound of drums. So someone who is unsaved is sitting in a church, just minding his own business listening to the lovely drumming sounds. Now who will the demons go after? Will they go after the saved members of the congregation or will the go after that poor sap sitting there just minding his own business? How many unsaved people are in jeopardy of demonic possession just becuase they like to listen to drums just as much as the demons do? I have sat in congregations and watched people become possessed by "spirits" - they thought it was the Holy Ghost, but I am quite certain it was not! because they were writhing and gyrating and jabbering like crazy people. I have always heard that Satan and his minions come to church every Sunday just to see who they can thwart in the gospel effort - either by demonic possession or causing good Christians to stumble and taint their testamony.


You know, I have sat in services where people have become possessed, also - including my own sister. And guess what? The only instrument that church had was a piano.

There is no scripture that backs up your argument that demons are attracted to the drums just because they like the sound. As you said in you first line, that is a supposition.

There are people saved in our church all the time - and we have drums in our orchestra. The difference is that our drums are played in a godly manner - not in the manner in which demons are called up. I hate to tell you this, but there are more instruments than drums that can do that!

I do believe that demons come to church, to wreak whatever havoc they can. I've been in services where it's been obvious that they have been trying to oppress the Word - and not all of those churches have had drums. Most of them only had pianos.

The point I'm trying to make is that a drum is an instrument. Like a piano, an organ, a sax (and yes, we have one of those :eek ), a cello, a trombone, a xylophone, etc. It is in the hands of the user that the difference is seen. In the hands of a Christian who is seeking to glorify God, an instrument can make beautiful music. In the hands of someone who is not trying to glorigy God, the instrument will be used for wrong music.

Jimmy Swaggert, Jerry Lee Lewis and Micky Gilley are all cousins who were taught to play piano by their grandmother, who was a Christian. They all 3 play amazingly. Swaggert was the only one who used his in a church situation (I'm not saying he was a godly man, just telling the story). Who doesn't remember Jerry Lee Lewis' "Great Balls of Fire?" And Mickey Gilley could play too - but his music was no godlier than Jerry Lee's. Swaggert played church music, but we all know how he ended up....

My point with that story is that they all used pianos. Instruments that we would all agree are good ones. But they used them in non-God honoring ways. And you can bet there were demons a plenty at their gigs. Should we then stop using pianos? Of course not.

Wisdom is needed even in this area.

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2 Samuel 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.


This verse shows a full-blown orchestra used in celebration. There are four basic categories of instruments: string, brass, woodwind and percussion.

http://www.sfskids.org/templates/instor ... p?pageid=3

That site shows orchestral instruments, which family they belong in and why and where they are located in a modern orchestra. Musical ability is a God-given talent and so is instrument-making. There is nothing inherently wrong with a drum. Just like there is nothing inherently wrong with a pipe or a flute. It is how it is used that makes the difference.

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Why does church music have to imitate worldly music?

Seems the older America gets the more it accepts in its churches. And the more people decided that Christians of yesterday year had no understanding of the Bible nor what worship in a church house should be like.

I don't want music that lights up my insides lie this does at those ungodly concerts where people go absolutely nuts.

Seems the birth of CCC has changed many people mid about what it right and or wrong to have in the churches.

Remember, God does not change, never has, never will, but the world is constantly changing, sad, many are letting the ever changing world influence their walk with God.

High powered music does not help the child of God worship God, if it takes high powered music for the to worship, them they have a very bad heart problem.

Yes I know, its so hard for die hard music lovers to have a true understand on what is appropriate in Jesus' Churches. Many of them would love to throw out the preachers and preaching service, replace him and the preaching service with their high powered music and singing them dismiss the service with a prayer. That has already happened in many churches, even a few Baptist Churches.

5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

Phil 4:5 (KJV)

Sad to say, many just can't accept moderation.

Sad, the music of the Gathiers and people such as them has more influence on many than the Holy Bible. We are a people now that will accept most anything, as long as we slowy get use to it and let it grow upon us.

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Why does church music have to imitate worldly music?

Seems the older America gets the more it accepts in its churches. And the more people decided that Christians of yesterday year had no understanding of the Bible nor what worship in a church house should be like.

I don't want music that lights up my insides lie this does at those ungodly concerts where people go absolutely nuts.

Seems the birth of CCC has changed many people mid about what it right and or wrong to have in the churches.

Remember, God does not change, never has, never will, but the world is constantly changing, sad, many are letting the ever changing world influence their walk with God.

High powered music does not help the child of God worship God, if it takes high powered music for the to worship, them they have a very bad heart problem.

Yes I know, its so hard for die hard music lovers to have a true understand on what is appropriate in Jesus' Churches. Many of them would love to throw out the preachers and preaching service, replace him and the preaching service with their high powered music and singing them dismiss the service with a prayer. That has already happened in many churches, even a few Baptist Churches.

5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

Phil 4:5 (KJV)

Sad to say, many just can't accept moderation.

Sad, the music of the Gathiers and people such as them has more influence on many than the Holy Bible. We are a people now that will accept most anything, as long as we slowy get use to it and let it grow upon us.


You are quite right, Jerry8. (But that doesn't mean that drums are inherently wicked.)

Just to clarify - we don't use Gaither style music either with instruments or singing. Our music is truly uplifting and draws people to the Lord, not the world.

I remember one year when I was nineteen, we went to a church "sing." There was no church in the area that was IFB. This was a little church, in a tiny little town, far away from any other churches. We hadn't lived there long. The music was pretty good. But that's all there was. Now, granted, it was a "sing" - not a regular service. But we met a man who was there who was really bothered that there was no preaching. He and my dad hit it off well...and the upshot was that the man came to the area to start a church. The church didn't last - but it was there while we lived there.

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Why does church music have to imitate worldly music?

Seems the older America gets the more it accepts in its churches. And the more people decided that Christians of yesterday year had no understanding of the Bible nor what worship in a church house should be like.

I don't want music that lights up my insides lie this does at those ungodly concerts where people go absolutely nuts.

Seems the birth of CCC has changed many people mid about what it right and or wrong to have in the churches.

Remember, God does not change, never has, never will, but the world is constantly changing, sad, many are letting the ever changing world influence their walk with God.

High powered music does not help the child of God worship God, if it takes high powered music for the to worship, them they have a very bad heart problem.

Yes I know, its so hard for die hard music lovers to have a true understand on what is appropriate in Jesus' Churches. Many of them would love to throw out the preachers and preaching service, replace him and the preaching service with their high powered music and singing them dismiss the service with a prayer. That has already happened in many churches, even a few Baptist Churches.

5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

Phil 4:5 (KJV)

Sad to say, many just can't accept moderation.

Sad, the music of the Gathiers and people such as them has more influence on many than the Holy Bible. We are a people now that will accept most anything, as long as we slowy get use to it and let it grow upon us.

:amen::goodpost: :amen:

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Okay then lets suppose all demons just love the sound of drums and whenever any one is drumming they show up in droves. It does not matter to the demon who is drumming - or if it is drumming for them specifically - they just love the sound of drums. So someone who is unsaved is sitting in a church, just minding his own business listening to the lovely drumming sounds. Now who will the demons go after? Will they go after the saved members of the congregation or will the go after that poor sap sitting there just minding his own business? How many unsaved people are in jeopardy of demonic possession just becuase they like to listen to drums just as much as the demons do? I have sat in congregations and watched people become possessed by "spirits" - they thought it was the Holy Ghost, but I am quite certain it was not! because they were writhing and gyrating and jabbering like crazy people. I have always heard that Satan and his minions come to church every Sunday just to see who they can thwart in the gospel effort - either by demonic possession or causing good Christians to stumble and taint their testamony.


I would say that if drums were that evil, there would be a verse stating such in the Bible. We have that we are not to have graven images, they would lead us away from God. But as has already been stated, your are making a supposition.

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Singing is part of the worship requested and due to God the Almighty, but it is not all there is to worship. The acts of worship that are specified by God are: singing, preaching, praying, giving, and the Lord?s Supper ([bible]Colossians 3:16[/bible]; [bible]1 Timothy 2:1-2[/bible]; [bible]Acts 20:7[/bible]; [bible]2 Timothy 4:2[/bible]; [bible]1 Corinthians 16:1-2[/bible]). Worship must promote awe and reverence, spirituality and thoughtfulness. Joy must flow from the heart, and not be worked up by the excessive use of external helps.

God has given the human voice as the primary source of expressing singing worship, however He will accept also some musical instruments to aid the voice in its expression. There is no evidence that there are many musical instruments in heaven, yet there is music: " And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:"( [bible]Revelation 14:2[/bible])

Scripture list those instruments that may be used, some instruments are never mentioned, such as the Drum, and it is best not to use them in our worship. The general rule is that all instruments are only an aid to the voice, not a supplanter or an overwhelmer thereof. The voice must be heard clearly over the instruments in its purity, musical instruments that are confusing and distorting must not be used.

Drums, although in wide use and well known in all history were never used to worship God because drums have always been associated with voodoo, shamanism, paganism and magic rituals, the church of Christ has no part with that.

Singing worship can be loud and we must sing with all our hearts to the Lord giving all that we got, but the voice is supreme in worship and the instruments are just an aid and we are singing to the Lord not to ourselves. Worship is not for human exhibitionism?God resists the proud. It is not to show off or to admire human artistic ability. Musical aids must never be allowed to turn worship into entertainment. They must never interfere with the spiritual character of worship.

The standard of God remains?that musical instruments should be modest in character, limited in number, and that they should never be allowed to overwhelm the intelligent and sincere offering of worship voiced from the minds and hearts of believers.

The worship of the church of Christ is plainly given in the New Testament. Jesus said: "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" ([bible]John 4:24[/bible]). The day Christians communally worship God is Sunday, the first day of the week, the "Lord?s Day" ([bible]Acts 20:7[/bible]; [bible]1 Corinthians 16:2[/bible];[bible]Revelation 1:10[/bible]). The music of the church of Christ is singing. This is the only kind of music that is mentioned in the NT by God in His word for the worship of His church ([bible]Colossians 3:16[/bible]; [bible]Ephesians 5:19[/bible]). Singing is commanded of all Christians, not just a favoured few. Choirs, quartets, solos, and choral groups are not mentioned in the New Testament nor are instruments of music resembling pianos, organs, drums, guitars, etc. mentioned in the New Testament either.

Spurgeon had this to say about musical Instruments in worship:

"Praise the Lord with the harp. Israel was at school, and used childish things to help her to learn; but in these days when Jesus gives us spiritual food, one can make melody without strings and pipes. We do not need them. They would hinder rather than help our praise. Sing unto him. This is the sweetest and best music. No instrument like the human voice." (Commentary on Psalms 42:4) "David appears to have had a peculiarly tender remembrance of the singing of the pilgrims, and assuredly it is the most delightful part of worship and that which comes nearest to the adoration of heaven. What a degradation to supplant the intelligent song of the whole congregation by the theatrical prettiness of a quartet, bellows, and pipes! We might as well pray by machinery as praise by it." (Spurgeon preached to 20,000 people every Sunday for 20 years in the Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle and never were mechanical instruments of music used in his services. When asked why, he quoted 1st Corinthians 14:15. "I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the understanding also; I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." He then declared: "I would as soon pray to God with machinery as to sing to God with machinery." (Charles H. Spurgeon, Baptist)

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You are quite right, Jerry8. (But that doesn't mean that drums are inherently wicked.)

Just to clarify - we don't use Gaither style music either with instruments or singing. Our music is truly uplifting and draws people to the Lord, not the world.

I remember one year when I was nineteen, we went to a church "sing." There was no church in the area that was IFB. This was a little church, in a tiny little town, far away from any other churches. We hadn't lived there long. The music was pretty good. But that's all there was. Now, granted, it was a "sing" - not a regular service. But we met a man who was there who was really bothered that there was no preaching. He and my dad hit it off well...and the upshot was that the man came to the area to start a church. The church didn't last - but it was there while we lived there.


Those who use Gaither, CCC, the big loud beat type music claim their music is uplifting, but claim those who do not use it is not uplifting.

To many churches are more about music, entertainment, than they are presenting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That is what modern music is doing to churches in 2008. If it has not reached a church near you, don't worry, its coming, maybe even to the church you now attend, the music lovers will see to it.

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