Is there a Biblical form of Government for the nations?

[Wilchbla]

'Invicta'
The Nazis were not socialists, they were militant Catholics...

NAZI stands for National Socialist German Workers Party

Socialism in ANY form is Statism which takes on the characteristics of its ruler, not of a pre-determined set of values. Hitler's Momma practiced Popery but that didn't make Hitler one. He was a Homosexual as were most of the early Brown Shirts and SS officers until he wiped them out one night shortly after taking power. Like all Statists, they took on the Jesuit motto, "the ends justify the means" which explains why they lie, cheat, steal and are hypocrites but don't believe themselves to be for their god is their belly, the rulers make the rules and decisions for the people who are viewed as too dumb to manage their own affairs. It means nothing that some claimed to belong to a religion, their works put them as Godless socialists doing satan's work.


'John81'
You have to read the context and history of this, which is speaking to a specific matter in order to make a specific point. If this were not the case, this verse would contradict what God says about Him being the one who sets up kings and removes them.

Ok, what are the verses that support your view John?

Hitler was a wicked and perverse man but I don't think he was a homo. But you are right about many of the Brownshirts being queer. Edited September 15, 2011 by Wilchbla

[swathdiver]

Hitler was a wicked and perverse man but I don't think he was a homo. But you are right about many of the Brownshirts being queer.

He was arrested and labeled a sexual deviant. While in the army he tried to rape a young boy and got into trouble. As a civilian he was arrested and labeled a sexual deviant after another incident. He lived in a hotel known to cater to gay men as he was a male prostitute. Technically, he was bi-sexual.

[Invicta]

He was arrested and labeled a sexual deviant. While in the army he tried to rape a young boy and got into trouble. As a civilian he was arrested and labeled a sexual deviant after another incident. He lived in a hotel known to cater to gay men as he was a male prostitute. Technically, he was bi-sexual.

I had not heard that, but it wouldn't surprise me. There are many stories about Hitler some very bizare, they are almost unbelievable.

Hitler was in no way a socialist, he was just a dictator, The fact that he called his party National Socialist, or to give it its full name, the National Socialist German Workers Party, was just to con the workers to join. Communism is described as Socialism gone mad. Nazi-ism is described as Free Enterprise gone mad. The man who was a communist agitator was Mussolini, till he was "turned" by the pope.

[HappyChristian]

In very broad strokes, socialism is an economic system in which "the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy." In modern societies, socialism often attempts to eradicate class divisions. While the word "socialism" is sometimes used interchangeably with "communism," the two aren't the same -- communism is a more extreme form of socialism.

Communism advocates the "collective ownership of property and the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members." While communism is first and foremost an economic system, it's also a political ideology that rejects religion. And just as communism is a form of socialism, Marxism, Maoism, and Leninism are branches of communism.

Like socialism and communism, fascism uses a central authority to maintain control, but "terror and censorship" are common. It results from economic failure in democratic political systems. Interestingly, while socialism and communism are both on the left end of the political spectrum, fascism contains elements of both "left and right ideology" and rises from economic collapse. The most famous fascist was Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. That ought to tell you it's not a good way to run a country.

Fascism focuses on the state, while naziism focuses on race. Hitler focused on creating a perfect race...A Nazi is fascist, but fascists aren't always nazis. For instance, fascists didn't want to destroy Jews. Nazis did.

Socialism does not arise form free enterprise gone mad. It arises from citizenry not understanding the control that is gained by "leaders" when the people sit back and do nothing but complain about the government taking over the economy (kinda like what's happening here in America).

If one were to judge by his policies (and there is no other way to do so, really), BO is a fascist (censorship and terror...attackwatch) who embraces naziism (racial big time).

None of these systems could be said to be biblical...

[swathdiver]

I had not heard that, but it wouldn't surprise me. There are many stories about Hitler some very bizare, they are almost unbelievable.

Hitler was in no way a socialist, he was just a dictator, The fact that he called his party National Socialist, or to give it its full name, the National Socialist German Workers Party, was just to con the workers to join. Communism is described as Socialism gone mad. Nazi-ism is described as Free Enterprise gone mad. The man who was a communist agitator was Mussolini, till he was "turned" by the pope.

All socialists are dictators as there is no higher power than themselves that they answer too. That's the point of my previous statements. There are variations of course because they reflect the desires of the dictator at that time. Fascism is a component of socialism and can be seen in NAZI Germany, the Soviet Union and other socialists countries. Obama's incestuous relationships with Wall Street, GE and Solyndra are examples of fascism too.

The reason Hitler chose the color red for his NAZI party flags was to attract the communists; socialists of another stripe. In that instance the German Communists were loyal not to Germany but Russia. That fact helped to sway many commies into the NAZI Party because of their first love and allegiance to the Fatherland.

[Invicta]

According to a book written before the war, I think it was called Cross and Swastika, or Swastika and Cross, the author said that Hitler was considered to be both a national and religious saviour and there were very few voices that disagreed.

[Wilchbla]

According to a book written before the war, I think it was called Cross and Swastika, or Swastika and Cross, the author said that Hitler was considered to be both a national and religious saviour and there were very few voices that disagreed.

Yes, he was considered these things. They even changed the Lord's Prayer and the hymn Silent Night to suit Hitler. The thing is is that Hitler himself really didn't buy into this nonsense but he did take advantage of the propaganda to play up his image. Much of the cult worship of Hitler was organized by Rudolph Hess. Hitler did, though come to believe that he was ordained of God because of all the failed assassination attempts on his life. The truth is that he may have been ordained of God in the sense that the Assyrians, Babylonians and Persians were ordained of God. Edited September 16, 2011 by Wilchbla

[Wilchbla]

He was arrested and labeled a sexual deviant. While in the army he tried to rape a young boy and got into trouble. As a civilian he was arrested and labeled a sexual deviant after another incident. He lived in a hotel known to cater to gay men as he was a male prostitute. Technically, he was bi-sexual.

Where'd you come up with this stuff? I think that people sometimes try so hard to portray Hitler as a complete over the top wicked and immoral man. The truth is is that he wasn't. Sure he was a heartless psychopath but he also didn't smoke, drink, eat meat or cuss and he loved animals. He was abstinent also. At least when he came into power he was. He was twiced awarded an Iron Cross for bravery in battle. The men around him used to make fun of him (not to his face of course) and call him a teetotaler because he was such a prude. You see, this is what makes his evil so the much more evil because he didn't fit the stereotypical and cliched image of an evil man. If he was so immoral he wouldn't have been able to get so many people to follow him. Edited September 16, 2011 by Wilchbla

[Wilchbla]

Hitler was in no way a socialist, he was just a dictator, The fact that he called his party National Socialist, or to give it its full name, the National Socialist German Workers Party, was just to con the workers to join. Communism is described as Socialism gone mad. Nazi-ism is described as Free Enterprise gone mad. The man who was a communist agitator was Mussolini, till he was "turned" by the pope.

Actually, Nazism was considered a progressive socialist moverment. Try checking out the book "Liberal Facism" by Jonah Goldberg. Hitler implemented many social policies that his predecessor came up with that would be the equalivent of Social Security.

[swathdiver]

Where'd you come up with this stuff?

I've read accounts written by the people who knew him personally for one. Hitlers actions, how he lived personally are little different from the progressives here in America today. They think they are soo cultured but they know so much that isn't so!

Actually, Nazism was considered a progressive socialist moverment. Try checking out the book "Liberal Facism" by Jonah Goldberg. Hitler implemented many social policies that his predecessor came up with that would be the equalivent of Social Security.

Yes, there is little difference from the NAZI Party platform of the 1930s and the Democrat Party platform here in America today. The two have been put side by side before and are indistinguishable. When put up word for word, liberals always vote for it in online polls.

When national healthcare came to Germany in the 1930s the first thing the families of institutionalized loved ones realized was that their relatives were no longer at the hospitals. Being unable to contribute to a Godless society, they were considered a burden, an un-necessary expense and were murdered to cut costs. The relatives were told to go home and not ask questions. How was that passive view of Romans 13 working out for them then?

Anyone seen all the satanic/cultic stuff and that weird religion the NAZIs created with their Greek like gods? Did y'all know that the SS used Nero's Cross on their tombstones and variations of it as the logo for their armored divisions?

[Covenanter]

The Mennonites consider the "accusation" of communism.

One of the common charges leveled at the early Anabaptists in the contemporary polemical literature, which appears repeatedly from the very beginning in Zürich in 1525, both in the court trials and disputations, and in attacks in pamphlets and books (Zwingli, Bullinger, Melanchthon, et al.), is that they taught and practiced communism, i.e., community of goods. Grebel and Manz had to defend themselves against this charge in their first trial in 1525, and Melanchthon makes it a major point in his Underricht wider die Lere der widertauffer of 1528, before either the Hutterite or the Münsterite practices could have been the ground for the accusation. Actually the early Swiss and German Anabaptists taught and practiced the sharing of their goods to support the needy brethren, but they never taught nor practiced community of goods as an ethical principle or as a socio-economic order. Their principle of Christian mutual aid, misunderstood or misrepresented by their enemies, was probably the cause for the charge of communism.
Among the peaceful Anabaptists who have survived persecution, the Hutterites deserve mention. They are Christian "communists," practicing a community of goods which they base on strictly Biblical principles, having nothing in common with Marxian materialistic philosophy. They practice a voluntary group communism, in contrast to a state communism established and maintained by force as the only permissible way of life.