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Where do we draw the line for IFB?

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I think non-IFB should be allowed to view just about everything though that way maybe they can get some knowledge on where they are wrong.

I was basically forced into an IFB church because I didn't even know what to look for in a church. I didn't know even what to ask, thankfully God sent someone to invite me to an IFB church. If someone gets saved they might not know what to do next, I think having other areas of the site open for them to help them (specifically new Christians) would be very helpful and a blessing to them.


I disagree 100%.

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Thank you everyone for the ideas. I will be making some changes as times allows. Of course if anyone wants to volunteer (Write up a statement of faith) I would not object. :icon_smile:


Something roughly like this?

Doctrine of God:

We believe in only one holy, righteous, just, perfect, merciful, gracious, long suffering, omnipotent, omniscient, God who is abundant in mercy and truth and composed of a Godhead of three distinct eternal persons. The Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We believe each of these persons is fully equal and fully God and yet fulfill different roles. We believe the Father is the supreme ruler of all things. We believe all things of the Father are Jesus Christ the Sons and that the Father has committed all judgement into his hands. We believe that the work of the Son is to glorify the Father and the Father glorifies the Son. We believe the work of the Holy Spirit is to guide believers into all truth and reveal the truth contained in the scriptures to their hearts. His work also includes convicting the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement. We believe that while God can always do as he wishes certain "sign gifts" of the Holy Spirit(tongues, miracles, the gift of healing etc.) are not active at this point in time and those who teach otherwise have repeatedly been tried and found liars.

Concerning the Scriptures:

We believe that every word of the scriptures was given by inspiration of God and that every word of of the scriptures has been preserved by his divine power from the tainting of man thus retaining their inspired character in its entirety.
We therefore hold the scriptures to be the foremost authority for faith and practice and reject every doctrine or teaching contrary to the teachings of the 66 books of scripture as not of God and false. We believe that the revelation of scripture was completed with the book of Revelation. Online baptist holds that the King James Bible is Gods inspired, preserved word for the English speaking peoples and does not permit using other versions on the forum. We reject the teaching of the double inspiration of the KJV and hold that the KJV retains the original divine inspiration of the scriptures through faithful translation and Gods divine preservation rather than being re-inspired in the English language in 1611.

Doctrine of Salvation:

We believe all men are born sinners and deserving of hell. We believe God sent his only begotten Son Jesus Christ into the world to make a substitutionary sacrifice by his death that was sufficient to atone for the sin of the whole world. We believe man was dead in sin and unable to come to God yet the true light, Jesus Christ , "lighteth every man that cometh into the world" and through that universal grace of light every man is freely afforded the opportunity to repent and come to the light. We reject the doctrine that God has chosen some to go to heaven and has not chosen others. Rather we believe that God, who is rich in mercy, has chosen all mankind for salvation but unfortunately some will go to hell because they, by hardness of heart and self will, chose to frustrate the grace of God by rejecting his free gift and trampling under foot the precious blood of Christ. We believe in order to truly pass from death to life a person must repent of their sins and call upon God to receive salvation and remission of sins by grace through faith in Gods promise and Christ's blood. We believe good works do not and can never have any part in salvation, truly all our righteousness is as filthy rags, however if a person is truly saved good works will follow because their heart has been changed by the operation of God.

Christian living:

We believe God has called believers to be holy because he is holy. We believe God progressively conforms believers into the image of Christ as they submit to his revealed will. Stubborn resistance and failure to submit to Gods revealed will prevents spiritual growth indefinitely and may bring Gods chastening. Christians have a responsibility to warn, comfort, rebuke, and edify one another in a spirit of meekness and kindness with the good of each other at heart. God is not pleased when Christians forget this and debate in foolish anger or for strife, pride, or vainglory. Christians also have a duty not to take offense easily. "1st Peter 2:19-23 "For this is thank worthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently,this is acceptable with God. For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example,that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:"

Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen


Feel free to edit or ignore that as you see fit but something like that is probably not a bad starting point should you end up deciding to include some type of statement of faith about non-negotiables. Detailed enough to stop arguments about some of the most serious irreconcilable problems that tend to come up on the board but not so detailed that it requires everyone to have cookie cutter beliefs exactly like everyone else.

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Jerry,

That's not what he was saying. He was saying that everyone should have view capabilities on everything, but only able to post in the general forums.

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Yes, I don't believe just anyone should have total access to all parts of OB. I like it that we have a place where we can post and they cannot inject their false ideas.


Yes, please see PastorJ's post and re-read what I said. I don't think they should be allowed to post, only view certain areas. Of course, I have no issues with completely closing certain forums as well (Ministry, Pastor only, etc). But, I think threads that speak on baptism, Lord's supper, local church, etc should be viewable by all.

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I don't have a problem with them viewing the truth, there needs to be one place here where we do not get false teaching posted, and having to debate false teachers.

Its bad enough having them on the other forums posting their false teachings trying to win converts from whosoever reads it.

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Jerry,

That is why we are discussing this.
The suggestion is that Non-IFB would be able to view everything, but only be able to post in the general forums.
The 2nd suggestion is that Non-IFB would only be able to view and post in the general forums.

I made the 2nd suggestion, but I actually like the first one better. Non-IFB would be able to view the truth, but not be able to post.
If they posted anything in the general forums that were inappropriate, the posts would be moved to the appropriate forum or deleted.

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Thank again everyone. Thank you Seth for writing that out.
My goal is to try and move as much of the forums that deal with Biblical issues into the IFB forum. A questioner then will be filled out in order to gain access to the IFB forums.

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I don't know if its a good idea to let them view where they cannot post. It might be better in the long run for them not to view it. As for me I would not want to read post that I cannot reply to, I would rather they be blocked off from my sight.

There has been a couple or so sly remarks about not being able to view all of the forum, it they are able to view it those remarks will probably be even slyer.

If I went to a RCC forum & they had areas for RCC members only, I would not feel left out. I feel that any group, weather its Baptist, Methodist, JW's, Pentecostal, Mormons, coC, or what ever names they chose to go by has ever right to have a section that's for members of that type of church.

Those who feel left out, those who get aggravated about this, are genearlly those that are trouble maker, & trying to spread what they believe hoping to make converts.

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There is another forum that I applied to and gained access to except my computer wont let me, but before they let you join you have to fill out a very detailed questionaire. At the time I thought it was a bit over the top but it sure does stop all of the silliness that goes on between some people on this forum. I'm glad you're looking into it, I've only just come back again because I was tired of the same silly arguments being put forward by people who obviously don't want to learn from the scriptures. It would be nice to cut out the nastiness and just enjoy sweet fellowship with other believers.

I'm with the having them being able to view the biblical topics and to only comment in the loung forum. If they get fustrated by just viewing then they can choose not to look.

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The changes will be taking effect soon. I already have moved some forums over to the IFB forums, and I will slowly move more over.
Also soon, our members will have to agree to the boards statement of faith to join the IFB boards (Which will be most of the forums).

Thank you again.

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If ya'll decide to do this you should first determine what constitutes an Independent Fundamental Baptist. At least if that is the qualification to be a member or being allowed to post. For an example, believing or not believing in double inspiration doesn't determine if someone is an IFBer or not. Especially since at the end of the day you BOTH believe that the KJV is the inerrant word of God. It doesn't matter how it got there just that it is. Neither does, say, believing or not believing in the gap theory. Especially since all gap theorists that I know of still believe in a literal seven day creation. If you expect too much you'll end up with nothing but a nice little clique in here of about five people and that's about it.

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There will be a statement similar to the one the Seth posted. If you agree to that, then you are in. It basically is going to be a general IFB statement, I'm not going to get into the minute details of doctrine, I'll leave those things for us to discuss. If you are already in this IFB group here, you will not notice much of a change.

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Both my wife and I attend an IFB Church. We have been members of this Church for several years now. They teach the fundamentals of the faith and the Baptist Distinctives.

That said, there are some things in the Church that we disagree with, but not enough to pack our Bibles and leave. But what we have a problem with, when it is preached or taught, ruins the rest of the sermon for the day for us.

It is the same here on this board. Some know our stance on certain topis, and how we differ in our beliefs concerning those topics. There will always be disagreements... even amongst fellow IFB's.

Should we limit the posting of non-IFB's? I would say it would be wise.

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I just recently came back. Has there been significant changes to what this forum views as an IFB? If I believe in double inspiration am I now out?

Could you explain what you mean by double inspiration (I've heard more than one view)?

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To be honest, I'm undecided on it and I'm not really 100% sure what "double inspiration" actually is! All I know for sure is that what I hold in my hands is the perfect word of God. If a Greek manuscript disagrees with it, I believe my King James Bible.

Some think that is double inspiration, I think it's just believing God preserves His word.

There are cases where the King James disagrees with the TR. I take the King James in those cases. If that means I believe in double-inspiration so be it. I took one year of Greek in Bible school and studied manuscript evidence like everyone else.... but it's a little dry and boring for me, so I don't remember a lot. I'd rather spend more time studying what I believe than why I believe what I believe.

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That's what I think of when I think of double inspiration, but then I haven't done a lot of research into that stream of thought.
These are my thoughts. If the KJV disagrees with a Greek manuscript from the corrupted line - well of course! But if it disagrees with the TR - how can you rely on the translation more than the original? (I know, I know, they aren't the original manuscripts, just copies - but still.) If it wasn't for those originals, we wouldn't have the translation. I really can't understand the train of thought that would exalt the latter translation over the original version - as if the KJV had sprung itself out of the mists and did not rather stand upon the shoulders of the TR - as if those used by God to pen the Bible had originally written only in English! :icon_confused:

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