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I would like for this to be a civil discussion. The problem is that an IFB can mean many sort of things. For example, this website is and mostly IFB, but some say we are too IFB while other state we are not IFB enough. Where in your mind should Online Baptist/We draw the line for IFB?

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I think non-IFB should be allowed to view just about everything though that way maybe they can get some knowledge on where they are wrong. I was basically forced into an IFB church because I didn't

Saylan, Thank you for reinterating the position of OLB on the King James issue. I personnally appreciate it very much and commend you for your stand. Old Fashioned Preacher, that was hilarious! I stil

I think one aspect of being IFB that needs to be clear is whether or not the persons allow scripture to change their lives. I know that even amongst IFB there is disagreement on things like pants on

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I wouldn't consider one IFB if they are fans of Billy Graham, Rick Warren and the Willow Creek gang. I also believe they should believe in a literal Genesis, the Bible being the final authority and that spiritual gifts such as tongues and prophecy are not for today. You can probably be IFB and listen to CCM but it is a very bad idea for many reasons. Same goes with those that use the newer translations such as the NIV, NASB and ESV that are based off the "Critical Text". Also an IFB isn't going to be a social drinker or smoker and watch Two and a Half Men.

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First, we would have to define just what we think IFB is.

Independent is fairly self-explanatory.

Fundamentalist is more open. Are we only concerned with the five basic fundamentals of the faith or are there other areas, topics or issues we believe to be a fundamental, such as separation?

Baptist, is also fairly self-explanatory.

So, unless there are some needed discussions on the finer points of the I or B, it seems most of the potential for difference is within the F. What are our fundamentals? What fundamentals are fundamental, necessary to believe, hold to and practice? Are there specific things that must be avoided if one is to be a true fundamentalist?

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I think that this board is IFB and therefore those who are not, should be limited. There is a board that i used to belong to that would allow non-baptists to join, but you could only post in a couple forums. I don't post there anymore as they have gone very liberal.

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I think that this board is IFB and therefore those who are not, should be limited. There is a board that i used to belong to that would allow non-baptists to join, but you could only post in a couple forums. I don't post there anymore as they have gone very liberal.

Good points. There is the danger of some who are clearly of the more liberal sort wrongly influencing others and of giving the wrong impression to those who visit or lurk.
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I think that is Bro. Matt's intent on this question.

I have no problem with non IFB coming, but they should be limited to what they are able to comment on. My thought is just the Lounge.

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I think that is Bro. Matt's intent on this question.

I have no problem with non IFB coming, but they should be limited to what they are able to comment on. My thought is just the Lounge.

We are on the same page here.
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I think one aspect of being IFB that needs to be clear is whether or not the persons allow scripture to change their lives. I know that even amongst IFB there is disagreement on things like pants on women, some music styles, etc. That isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the tendency of some posters to post things that are phrased as a question or an honest search for truth, but then turn it to their actual intent: to push their wrong doctrine or to snipe and pick and sneer (however politely) at IFB for wanting to stand on truth. How that could translate is the problem, but I think Pastorj has the right idea.

Rather than limiting IFB forums to a certain section, why not limit non-IFB to certain sections and have the main parts of the forum for only IFB. Like the Lounge, as Pastorj suggested. Perhaps the Lounge and Current Events, since the two would likely cross at times.

I concur!
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As I look at the forum, I would expand it to the General Forums and limit all biblical issues to the other forums that they do not have comment capability.

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I agree.

HappyChristian mentioned something that gets under my skin, it happened lately on the subject of Calvinism. Or at least it sure did seem that way to me. That is one person seemed to start a topic with intent of pushing that doctrine hoping to get converts.

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Jerry,

That is why we are discussing this. There are too many people pushing false teaching which is causing good people to either not join or go away.

There are many Biblical issues that good IFB people will disagree on that we don't need to fight with the liberal non-IFB people over false teachings.

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Jerry,

That is why we are discussing this. There are too many people pushing false teaching which is causing good people to either not join or go away.

There are many Biblical issues that good IFB people will disagree on that we don't need to fight with the liberal non-IFB people over false teachings.


Yes, quite a bit of that.

And I feel that's right, that would be a turn off for many of our sisters & brothers.
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I would like for this to be a civil discussion. If you are reading this, you claim to be an Independent, Fundamental Baptist. The problem is that an IFB can mean many sort of things. For example, this website is and mostly IFB, but some say we are too IFB while other state we are not IFB enough. Where in your mind should Online Baptist/We draw the line for IFB?


Maybe first off the line should be IFB...if they do not designate themselves to be IFB then the denial is at the very beginning...whether lounge or any other part of the site what is doctrinally believed come out in their writing...

It really depends on your purpose for this site...go back and look at your initial purpose for this site...have you moved from that purpose have you added or redefined your purpose?

I am not going to an IFB because there is not one where I live, but of the choices that is had the one I am a member is the closest Baptist church to it...

I will say though if your purpose is IFB church goers I would sacrifice the fellowship for the sake of your pupose because of and for the purity of truth to those young IFBer's whose beliefs are growing and need not be brought into cofusion what can be read by those whose beliefs are not fundamental...does that make sense?

My imput...
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Deb,

I won't speak for Bro. Matt, but I came here years ago for the fellowship and the opportunity to discuss scriptural issues. Iron sharpeneth iron. If I can't defend my position amongst fellow believers, then I am in trouble.

The issue has been that People who consider themselves "Non-IFB" have come on this board a number of times to discuss their false doctrines. Such as:
Ruckmanism
Calvinism
and every other ism that goes against Scripture.

It is not really a matter of whether or not they attend a IFB church, but that they consider themselves IFB. There are many places in the US where there is no good IFB church and one must attend something close. I went to a FBF church for 2 years because there was nothing else. Though I did not agree with some things, I never considered myself a non-IFB.

So the question is, what areas of this board should be limited to non-IFB people to make sure that those who come here stay.

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I suppose the moderators/administrator could develop a statement of faith that spelled out some of the non-negotiable doctrinal positions of the board leadership much like a church would have. It could be as detailed or as limited as one wished to make it. In order to post members would have to agree not to come here and promote doctrine contrary to that in the board statement of faith. That wouldn't get rid of all the problems, nor would it necessarily exclude non-IFB's from posting, but it might make things a little more orderly and there might be fewer threads with more people are arguing for bad doctrine than against it. :twocents:

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I never will forget finding this board. I was fresh off having stopped posting on a Baptist board that had been invaded by 3 Catholics. They proceeded to tell us Baptist that we were 100% wrong. I had put up with them for over a years, finally getting tired of it, & stopped posting.

One thing for sure, no matter what one does, that certain type of people will come along & try to break up any unity, pushing the doctrine that Pastorj spoke of in his last post. It will be a never ending battle, the old Devil will see to it that those types keep on coming.

Once years ago I came across a church group that lives a few miles from me, I asked to join that group. they told me that this group was only for church members of their church. At the time is aggravate me, yet after I thought it out I understood where they were coming from. Keeping it limited to only their church members, people thye know. keeps out the element that Pastoj speaks of.

I disagree with some issues that Bro. Matt, Pastorj, HappyChristian, maybe another one or 2 stands for, they disagree with some that I stand for. Yet neither do they or I look for any & every opportunity to push these things. And it seems to me when it does come up we state our beliefs, them leave it there. Sad thing is some refuse to do that, they seem bent on making opportunities to bring certain issues up.

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As I look at the forum, I would expand it to the General Forums and limit all biblical issues to the other forums that they do not have comment capability.

That's kind of what was going through my mind this weekend. There are a few forums that need to be available to any member (support, game, etc).
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I think non-IFB should be allowed to view just about everything though that way maybe they can get some knowledge on where they are wrong.

I was basically forced into an IFB church because I didn't even know what to look for in a church. I didn't know even what to ask, thankfully God sent someone to invite me to an IFB church. If someone gets saved they might not know what to do next, I think having other areas of the site open for them to help them (specifically new Christians) would be very helpful and a blessing to them.

Good points. I was saved for several years before God sent a solid Christian friend into my life and he took me to his Baptist church and introduced me to his very good pastor. That's when I finally got the solid preaching and teaching (the pastor had a GREAT men's Bible study) I needed...also the same time the Lord led me to use the KJB full time.
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I think non-IFB should be allowed to view just about everything though that way maybe they can get some knowledge on where they are wrong.

I was basically forced into an IFB church because I didn't even know what to look for in a church. I didn't know even what to ask, thankfully God sent someone to invite me to an IFB church. If someone gets saved they might not know what to do next, I think having other areas of the site open for them to help them (specifically new Christians) would be very helpful and a blessing to them.


I disagree 100%.
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Thank you everyone for the ideas. I will be making some changes as times allows. Of course if anyone wants to volunteer (Write up a statement of faith) I would not object. :icon_smile:


Something roughly like this?

Doctrine of God:

We believe in only one holy, righteous, just, perfect, merciful, gracious, long suffering, omnipotent, omniscient, God who is abundant in mercy and truth and composed of a Godhead of three distinct eternal persons. The Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We believe each of these persons is fully equal and fully God and yet fulfill different roles. We believe the Father is the supreme ruler of all things. We believe all things of the Father are Jesus Christ the Sons and that the Father has committed all judgement into his hands. We believe that the work of the Son is to glorify the Father and the Father glorifies the Son. We believe the work of the Holy Spirit is to guide believers into all truth and reveal the truth contained in the scriptures to their hearts. His work also includes convicting the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement. We believe that while God can always do as he wishes certain "sign gifts" of the Holy Spirit(tongues, miracles, the gift of healing etc.) are not active at this point in time and those who teach otherwise have repeatedly been tried and found liars.

Concerning the Scriptures:

We believe that every word of the scriptures was given by inspiration of God and that every word of of the scriptures has been preserved by his divine power from the tainting of man thus retaining their inspired character in its entirety.
We therefore hold the scriptures to be the foremost authority for faith and practice and reject every doctrine or teaching contrary to the teachings of the 66 books of scripture as not of God and false. We believe that the revelation of scripture was completed with the book of Revelation. Online baptist holds that the King James Bible is Gods inspired, preserved word for the English speaking peoples and does not permit using other versions on the forum. We reject the teaching of the double inspiration of the KJV and hold that the KJV retains the original divine inspiration of the scriptures through faithful translation and Gods divine preservation rather than being re-inspired in the English language in 1611.

Doctrine of Salvation:

We believe all men are born sinners and deserving of hell. We believe God sent his only begotten Son Jesus Christ into the world to make a substitutionary sacrifice by his death that was sufficient to atone for the sin of the whole world. We believe man was dead in sin and unable to come to God yet the true light, Jesus Christ , "lighteth every man that cometh into the world" and through that universal grace of light every man is freely afforded the opportunity to repent and come to the light. We reject the doctrine that God has chosen some to go to heaven and has not chosen others. Rather we believe that God, who is rich in mercy, has chosen all mankind for salvation but unfortunately some will go to hell because they, by hardness of heart and self will, chose to frustrate the grace of God by rejecting his free gift and trampling under foot the precious blood of Christ. We believe in order to truly pass from death to life a person must repent of their sins and call upon God to receive salvation and remission of sins by grace through faith in Gods promise and Christ's blood. We believe good works do not and can never have any part in salvation, truly all our righteousness is as filthy rags, however if a person is truly saved good works will follow because their heart has been changed by the operation of God.

Christian living:

We believe God has called believers to be holy because he is holy. We believe God progressively conforms believers into the image of Christ as they submit to his revealed will. Stubborn resistance and failure to submit to Gods revealed will prevents spiritual growth indefinitely and may bring Gods chastening. Christians have a responsibility to warn, comfort, rebuke, and edify one another in a spirit of meekness and kindness with the good of each other at heart. God is not pleased when Christians forget this and debate in foolish anger or for strife, pride, or vainglory. Christians also have a duty not to take offense easily. "1st Peter 2:19-23 "For this is thank worthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently,this is acceptable with God. For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example,that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:"

Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen


Feel free to edit or ignore that as you see fit but something like that is probably not a bad starting point should you end up deciding to include some type of statement of faith about non-negotiables. Detailed enough to stop arguments about some of the most serious irreconcilable problems that tend to come up on the board but not so detailed that it requires everyone to have cookie cutter beliefs exactly like everyone else.
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Jerry,

That's not what he was saying. He was saying that everyone should have view capabilities on everything, but only able to post in the general forums.

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Yes, I don't believe just anyone should have total access to all parts of OB. I like it that we have a place where we can post and they cannot inject their false ideas.


Yes, please see PastorJ's post and re-read what I said. I don't think they should be allowed to post, only view certain areas. Of course, I have no issues with completely closing certain forums as well (Ministry, Pastor only, etc). But, I think threads that speak on baptism, Lord's supper, local church, etc should be viewable by all.
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I don't have a problem with them viewing the truth, there needs to be one place here where we do not get false teaching posted, and having to debate false teachers.

Its bad enough having them on the other forums posting their false teachings trying to win converts from whosoever reads it.

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