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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

How strongly would you try to dissuade a 17-year old from getting an eyebrow barbell?

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HappyChristian:

I think Deb (who can speak for herself) was probably referring to the idea of young people on the verge of adulthood who can read the Scriptures for themselves, may have searching questions, and may be shortly having to stand on their own two feet, anyway.

Blessings.

I'm sure she was - as was the OP, since 17 year olds are on the cusp of adulthood. And I stand by my answer - if parents have been teaching children from the get-go about being obedient to scripture, then even 17 year old's would accept a no from their parents, honoring them...very few would even ask to have a brow bar put in. If a child reaches 17 without learning how to rightly divide scripture and how to pray, then it would be a case of too little, too late.
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I'm sure she was - as was the OP, since 17 year olds are on the cusp of adulthood. And I stand by my answer - if parents have been teaching children from the get-go about being obedient to scripture, then even 17 year old's would accept a no from their parents, honoring them...very few would even ask to have a brow bar put in. If a child reaches 17 without learning how to rightly divide scripture and how to pray, then it would be a case of too little, too late.


HappyChristian:

Yes, well it's remarkable how many of the posters in the thread seem to have missed the Scriptures which Deb brought up, which both mention young men as well as women wearing jewelry, and also show that the Lord Himself gave jewelry.

Maybe a 17 year old would have questions after all. :unsure:
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Missed them? Just because they didn't quote them? The Lord gave jewelry to ISRAEL...symbolic, not literal.

The Israelites adopted several pagan practices from the Egyptians...should we follow that?

Let's also remember the scriptures (in the NT, under grace...) that teach separation from the world. Brow bars are definitely part of the dress of someone with a worldly mindset. And justification is always given, but no actual scripture (other than to say things like "it's an individual thing based on Romans 14"...which isn't talking about things like brow bars being okay, but rather pointing out the opposite...).

A 17 year old might have questions. And questions should be answered biblically. But not by using old testament references as support...

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Missed them? Just because they didn't quote them? The Lord gave jewelry to ISRAEL...symbolic, not literal.

The Israelites adopted several pagan practices from the Egyptians...should we follow that?

Let's also remember the scriptures (in the NT, under grace...) that teach separation from the world. Brow bars are definitely part of the dress of someone with a worldly mindset. And justification is always given, but no actual scripture (other than to say things like "it's an individual thing based on Romans 14"...which isn't talking about things like brow bars being okay, but rather pointing out the opposite...).

A 17 year old might have questions. And questions should be answered biblically. But not by using old testament references as support...



Happy Christian:

So the Ezekiel 16 references to jewelry that the Lord gave means that jewelry was not inherently wrong in the Old Testament but became inherently wrong in the New?

(Just wondering.)

Blessings.
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*sigh* You are just obsessed with jewelry. That chapter is all about spiritual adultery...maybe not a good reference to use? :Bolt:


Just trying to follow through logically some of the comments from the Scriptures.

Anyway, I thought Deb's reasoned contribution was very thoughtful and she gave Scriptural examples that young ppl might ask about.

Actually I agree about excessive jewelry being inappropriate. I just wonder whether Scripture really says that all jewelry is inappropriate, given that there are examples of jewelry in a non-critical context.

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No, I don't believe that we could scripturally say all jewelry is wrong (men wear watches, wedding rings, sometimes medical bracelets, military dog tags [my son has had to wear his since he enlisted, as do all military], but I don't think it's a stretch to say that earrings on men, brow bars on anyone, and other piercings (like naval rings, etc) go beyond simple adornment into following the philosophies of the world, which we are told not to do.

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Answering for myself :hide: I was using the Ezekiel passage to show there are things in the Bible that would cause a young adult to question.

I wonder myself, if God in His Word inspired Ezekiel to write as he did about how the LORD God cleaned up and dressed His people even if some believe it to be symbolic; the words used under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit being articles we say "no-no" to because they are worldly or unseparated from the world; ...why then would they(jewelry) be sin or wrong? Remember thou what God allows the devil our foe always taints it somehow...

Regardless of how He "decked" them their hearts revealed their true nature Ezekiel 16:17 "Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,"

That does not sound symbolic to me nor was the calf symbolic that was made by Aaron and worshipped by the people...

But my point remains the same...as children get older putting an understanding behind the "no" could be helpful in that it teaches them how to think and reason the Word that they are to obey throughout their grown up life away from parents...

Please understand that I would not allow brow piercing, but in all honsety I would not know how to refute it through the Word of God...except through principles pulled from Scripture...the principle of separation being one...the principle of glorifying God in your body and in your spirit which are God's...

Alls I know is that... Romans 5:20-21 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

My mom who was not Christian at the time I was growing up would say..."If God wanted it, he would have had you born with it..." I know that is faulty in that as,Job 1:21 "And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb," You know she wouldn't let me be clothesless...

:twocents: isn't much, but I am always growing in my understanding and I haven't arrived...may I continue to have a teachable spirit.

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Answering for myself :hide: I was using the Ezekiel passage to show there are things in the Bible that would cause a young adult to question.

I wonder myself, if God in His Word inspired Ezekiel to write as he did about how the LORD God cleaned up and dressed His people even if some believe it to be symbolic; the words used under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit being articles we say "no-no" to because they are worldly or unseparated from the world; ...why then would they(jewelry) be sin or wrong? Remember thou what God allows the devil our foe always taints it somehow...

Regardless of how He "decked" them their hearts revealed their true nature Ezekiel 16:17 "Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,"

That does not sound symbolic to me nor was the calf symbolic that was made by Aaron and worshipped by the people...
I was speaking about symbolic whoredom. God was speaking of spiritual whoredoms here. Spiritual adultery.
But my point remains the same...as children get older putting an understanding behind the "no" could be helpful in that it teaches them how to think and reason the Word that they are to obey throughout their grown up life away from parents...
Again, I maintain that said understanding should be taught throughout their lives. Waiting until they are 17 would actually be too late, apart from the mercy of God.
Please understand that I would not allow brow piercing, but in all honsety I would not know how to refute it through the Word of God...except through principles pulled from Scripture...the principle of separation being one...the principle of glorifying God in your body and in your spirit which are God's...
And we would be in 100% agreement here!!
Alls I know is that... Romans 5:20-21 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

My mom who was not Christian at the time I was growing up would say..."If God wanted it, he would have had you born with it..." I know that is faulty in that as,Job 1:21 "And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb," You know she wouldn't let me be clothesless...

:twocents: isn't much, but I am always growing in my understanding and I haven't arrived...may I continue to have a teachable spirit.


I actually agree with much of what you posted, Deb. I was just pointing out that teaching scriptural understanding is a life-long thing. Many parents get saved when their children are older, and so at 17 there would be questions that otherwise wouldn't be raised.

Do we honestly believe that, if children are raised in subjection to God's Word, being taught how to follow Him, that there would be an issue with something like this (if said children had gotten saved and had the Holy Spirit residing within)? I know that some children might want to revolt, but, actually, if they do, and parents really examined things, don't you think there would be somewhere along the line that said children were allowed to get a taste of the world? It does impact, and "evil communications corrupt good manners."
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I have to agree the issue would not be an issue in a 17 year old's life if he were surrounded by ones of like faith...

I agree too that as the child grows so must the teaching to understand the reasons for which things are done and not done...that was what I meant by saying as children get older...starting from the beginning as much as could be understood and progressing as the age progresses...I am not sure if I am saying it clearly :huh: ...

This seems to be a what if thread...say for instance a young man came into the youth group unsaved and having a brow piercing...your teen see and starts asking questions...not necessarily to have one but because it was introduced by way of the new kid in youth group coming because some one invited him...

To move wisely through the Word of God is prudent...

I would be careful not to get offended or be put on the defensive but to respond without undue criticism through the scriptures we know...in giving an answer to the subject on hand...

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Perhaps so, Deb, but each parent has the right to say no. With no reasons given. IF the child has been reared to honor their parents, the no would suffice. And if the parents have been teaching their children to be obedient to scripture, and separate from the world, a barbell for the eyebrow wouldn't even be requested.

Saying no is not always in anger. And, again, it is usually a result of having taught standards all along anyway.

Amen!
Even non-Christian parents who raise their children to respect them, know their views and hold them to high standards find that many issues other parents face with their teens never come upon them.

Sometimes a no is enough and if they have been raised consistently they will understand the no without explanation.

And, like you say, for those raised right from the beginning, such typically won't even come up.
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Missed them? Just because they didn't quote them? The Lord gave jewelry to ISRAEL...symbolic, not literal.

The Israelites adopted several pagan practices from the Egyptians...should we follow that?

Let's also remember the scriptures (in the NT, under grace...) that teach separation from the world. Brow bars are definitely part of the dress of someone with a worldly mindset. And justification is always given, but no actual scripture (other than to say things like "it's an individual thing based on Romans 14"...which isn't talking about things like brow bars being okay, but rather pointing out the opposite...).

A 17 year old might have questions. And questions should be answered biblically. But not by using old testament references as support...

Absolutely! And these facts are so often missed or dismissed.

Several New Testament verses have been put forth dealing with this and they seem to have been "missed" while focus has been put upon Old Testament verses not dealing with Christian living.
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Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

I would be careful not to dismiss the Old Testament...even Jesus taught principles from it and even quoted it a time or two...we can learn how to live our Christain life through the OT...

We learn what faith is by ...Hebrews 11:1-40 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure. By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come. By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff. By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones. By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment. By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned. By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Be careful not that you do not dismiss the very words written and followed by Jesus Himself...and remember principles by which to live the Christian life are found in the OT and the NT...many a good preahers have made sermons from the OT....

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We never dismiss the Old Testament but it has to be viewed in light of the New Testament. The New Covenant holds Christians to a much higher standard than did the old.

Christian living must have a firm foundation in the New Testament.

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(forgot to hit quote, so I copied this as my reference):

farouk, on 26 July 2011 - 08:38 PM, said:


So, right: tell me, please, exactly what the Bible says about, for example, earrings, so that we can known exactly what you mean by saying that they are unscriptural, in your view.



(reply from John) This is your tactic in each thread of this sort. You obfuscate the issue, move away from the actual topic, attempt to turn the whole issue in another direction and put words in the mouths of those promoting the Word and sound Christian living.
Either you wish to truly live for Christ, following Him fully, striving to stay far from sin or even the hint of sin, or you are not.



For a while during this thread I got the "impression" that part of this thread was trying to defend a barbell piercing. :smilie_loco:4

A little leaven ruins the whole loaf.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

These verses ring in my head frequently, whether I encounter or see something that is wrong, or when I do something that is wrong.
I am also reminded of something my pastor says, "what part of "be ye separate" don't you understand? :bang:

Whether it is a barbell piercing, pink hair, purple hair, punk hair, tatoos, CCM, it is all worldly, and I will not be convinced if anyone tries to tell me that these are "ways" to win the young to The Lord. You must have a good testimony. You cannot look nor act like "the world." We are called to be separate, to be different. God hasn't changed, rather people must change.

You want to win the youth to the Lord, bring them to camp, bring them to VBS....they will be exposed to peers that are more right for them. Have your own church kids witness to them. Also, the adults must have a good testimony as well, they must be the same in and out of church. Parents need to be parents, not a child's best friend. It also helps when the parents are in church and their Bibles as well.

Our church is having VBS this week, and I've read there have been a few saved already in the first 2 nights. Last week they had senior camp. 2 weeks before that they had junior camp. Get the kids away from the video games, TV, hanging out at the malls, and get them to church.

I'll get off my soapbox now....

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(forgot to hit quote, so I copied this as my reference):

farouk, on 26 July 2011 - 08:38 PM, said:


So, right: tell me, please, exactly what the Bible says about, for example, earrings, so that we can known exactly what you mean by saying that they are unscriptural, in your view.



(reply from John) This is your tactic in each thread of this sort. You obfuscate the issue, move away from the actual topic, attempt to turn the whole issue in another direction and put words in the mouths of those promoting the Word and sound Christian living.
Either you wish to truly live for Christ, following Him fully, striving to stay far from sin or even the hint of sin, or you are not.



For a while during this thread I got the "impression" that part of this thread was trying to defend a barbell piercing. :smilie_loco:4

A little leaven ruins the whole loaf.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

These verses ring in my head frequently, whether I encounter or see something that is wrong, or when I do something that is wrong.
I am also reminded of something my pastor says, "what part of "be ye separate" don't you understand? :bang:

Whether it is a barbell piercing, pink hair, purple hair, punk hair, tatoos, CCM, it is all worldly, and I will not be convinced if anyone tries to tell me that these are "ways" to win the young to The Lord. You must have a good testimony. You cannot look nor act like "the world." We are called to be separate, to be different. God hasn't changed, rather people must change.

You want to win the youth to the Lord, bring them to camp, bring them to VBS....they will be exposed to peers that are more right for them. Have your own church kids witness to them. Also, the adults must have a good testimony as well, they must be the same in and out of church. Parents need to be parents, not a child's best friend. It also helps when the parents are in church and their Bibles as well.

Our church is having VBS this week, and I've read there have been a few saved already in the first 2 nights. Last week they had senior camp. 2 weeks before that they had junior camp. Get the kids away from the video games, TV, hanging out at the malls, and get them to church.

I'll get off my soapbox now....

You're not on a soapbox, you're standing upon the solid Word of God!

Along with the fact we are called to be separate, I also remind myself we are called to be holy as He is holy. Part of being holy is separating ourselves from the world, to God.

I remember during the 90s it was all the rage among so many churches that in order to win the world we had to look like and act like the world. What a failure that was! Yet many still take that approach today. I recall seeing this attempted on the South side of Chicago. These white Christians were dressed like and trying to act like black hip-hop and rap "stars" as they attempted "soul-winning" among the young blacks "in the hood". They were instantly called out for their phoney attempts and some of the young street thugs even pointed out to them they weren't acting like Christians at all. More than a few said something to the effect that their auntie is a Christian and she wouldn't put up with their garbage. Needless to say, the testimony of those "act like the world christians" was tarnished and the kingdom of God was not expanded.

What should a true follower of Christ hope to hear someone say...that they are just like everyone else, or that others can see Christ in/through them?
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We never dismiss the Old Testament but it has to be viewed in light of the New Testament. The New Covenant holds Christians to a much higher standard than did the old.

Christian living must have a firm foundation in the New Testament.


I hear what you are saying here...yet our foundation is Jesus Christ alone and the Word of God both Old Testament and New Testament is truth from which we learn what building materials for which to place upon our foundation and what materials we use will be revealed at the bema seat...1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire...

I believe the Christians firm foundation is Jesus Christ and the whole Word of God points to Him therefore the whole Word is the LIGHT from which we must allow to reveal what is in our hearts by allowing the Holy Spirit access...The Holy Spirit illuminated the Old Testament to the Apostles...that is one reason Paul was so eloquent bringing the Old Testament Scriptures alive pointing them (the scriptures) to Christ...

Even Jesus said... John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Luke 24:44-48 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.

The higher standard in which we are to live is to walk in the Spirit...walking in the Spirit we will as did Jesus fulfill the law to a higher degree as did Jesus...but Jesus/ God understanding the flesh from which He made us gave us an advocate...1 John 2:1-6 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 1 John 3:23-24 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

What am not saying...I am not saying we are to live by the Old Testament Law in all its feasts and sacrifices etc...Jesus is and always will be the required atonement.Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us....all of Chapter nine is a wonderful read...

I am saying the works fore ordained by God; these works we should walk in...Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

1 Peter 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Revelation 2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

Revelation 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

I think I may have rabbit trailed some...opps...none the less...the words written sure bring me back to reality in my walk when I went back and read over my post...

Grace to you and peace through God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ His Son,
Deborah
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Rabbit trail or not, I appreciate the effort you put into your post.

No doubt we must pay heed to the whole Word of God, I was only pointing out that for specific Christian living, anything from the OT must be viewed in light of the NT.

As a clear example, the OT sets forth dietary laws that the NT tells us does not apply to Christians. As clear as that is, there are yet some Christians today who believe Christians must follow the OT dietary laws.

All Scripture has something to say, but we must always be careful to compare OT with NT.

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How strongly would you try to dissuade a 17-year old from getting an eyebrow barbell?


Barbell?!? If he's strong enough to lift it, he's old enough to wear it. :biggrin:

Seriously though, take this for what it's worth:

"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD." (Leviticus 19:28)
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Barbell?!? If he's strong enough to lift it, he's old enough to wear it. :biggrin:

Seriously though, take this for what it's worth:

"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD." (Leviticus 19:28)


Keifer:

Thanks for this; the same passage seems to say about not shaving. Do you shave? and how do you handle it exegetically?

Blessings.
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