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Thank you John. I am glad to hear that.

There are Methodists and those from the Christian Church in this area who are always busy working to keep their salvation. They refuse to believe once saved, always saved. According to them, those who hold such a view are arrogant to think they are always in right standing with God.

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Liberty in Christ - 02-02-12, 06:28 AM

Think about this Galations 5:1 After a person is saved they are free from the penalty of spiritual death. Their flesh will be charged with the sin and be chastised.

Galations 5:4 If you teach that you can lose your salvation, you make Christ of no effect.

Galations 5:10 Paul warns that you will be judged for teaching that a person who was saved can be lost.

Be careful.

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THE REIGN OF ANTICHRIST:

1. The time period of his rule-during the great tribulation just preceding Christ's return (Matthew 24:15-31). (Interpretation)
2. The length of his rule-7 years altogether (Daniel 9:27),Does not refer to antichrist, fulfilled in Christ's ministry but he will be given 3.5 years (42 months) of complete power (Revelation 13:5).
3. The extent of his rule-all the world (Revelation 13:7; Daniel 7:23).Dan. 7:23 refers to the Roman empire, the fourth kingdom He will rule all people, nations, religions (Revelation 13:14-15), and the entire world economy (Revelation 13:17).
4. The source of his power-Satan (2 Thessalonians 2:9; Revelation 13:4).
5. His rise to power-a. It involves a great miracle (Revelation 13:3-4). b. It involves a peace pact with Israel (Daniel 9:27). A false interpretation of Dan 9:27 c. It involves the overthrow of other kings (Daniel 7:8,24). The traditional, pre-Darby view is that this refers to the papacy,
6. The characteristics of his rule-a. He rules by miracles and deception (Revelation 13:11-15; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12). b. He rules by terror, persecution (Revelation 13:15). c. He rules by force (Revelation 13:16-17).

THE MYSTERIOUS ORIGIN OF THE ANTICHRIST: The beast ascends out of the bottomless pit. He might be a demon (Revelation 11:7; 17:8). Antichrist will be Satan incarnate in some mysterious way, and yet he will also remain an independent personality who will be cast into the lake of fire with the false prophet 1,000 years before Satan meets the same doom (Revelation 19:20; 20:7-10).

THE CHARACTER OF THE ANTICHRIST: (1) He will be a blasphemer, a hater of God (Revelation 13:5-6). (2) He will be a murderer and a destroyer (Revelation 13:7,15; Daniel 7:23; 8:24). (3) He will be a liar and deceiver (2 Thessalonians 2:9-10). (4) He will have great intelligence (Daniel 8:23). (5) He will be exceedingly proud (Daniel 8:25). (6) He will have an impressive appearance (Daniel 7:20; 8:23).Daniel 8:23, The time given for him to arise in the scripture, Dan 8:23, is the latter time of the Greek kings, and therefore must refer to either Octavius (Augustus) or Herod, both of whom arose at the end of the Greek kings, Cleopatra being the last. (7) He will exalt himself (Daniel 11:36-37). (8) He will worship military might (Daniel 11:38). Both these two latter refer to Herod.

THE END OF THE ANTICHRIST: Antichrist will be overthrown at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire to suffer eternal torment (2 Thessalonians 2:8; Revelation 19:19-21).

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(1) Antichrist is given control of the formerly Christian nations by God after the taking away of the Holy Spirit (who reproves sin in the world John 16:7-8) and the Church age believers who He seals 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12.
(2) I agree with LindaR
(3) Revelation 17:16-18 indicates that God will give control of the whole earth to the antichrist by causing the ten kings that have devoured the whole earth to give their power to the antichrist. This is the last form of the Roman Empire, which was under the influence of the apostate Christian church called Mystery Babylon.
(4) Yes to Linda’s answer plus God.
(5) Antichrist is given control of the formerly Christian nations by God after the taking away of the Holy Spirit (who reproves sin in the world John 16:7-8) and the Church age believers who He seals 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12.
(6)Origin of the antichrist. The antichrist comes out of the sea as one of the heads of the revived Roman Empire that is ruled by Harlot Babylon for the first half of the tribulation. In Revelation 17:16-18 God causes the ten kings to destroy the harlot and give their power to the antichrist. Rev 13:11-12 tells us about the false prophet who will come from the earth and cause men to worship the beast (antichrist) that survives the wound. Zechariah 11:16-17 tells us the wound will blind his right eye and his arm. Edited by Eric Stahl

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(1) Antichrist is given control of the formerly Christian nations by God after the taking away of the Holy Spirit (who reproves sin in the world John 16:7-8) and the Church age believers who He seals 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12.
(2) I agree with LindaR
(3) Revelation 17:16-18 indicates that God will give control of the whole earth to the antichrist by causing the ten kings that have devoured the whole earth to give their power to the antichrist. This is the last form of the Roman Empire, which was under the influence of the apostate Christian church called Mystery Babylon.
(4) Yes to Linda’s answer plus God.
(5) Antichrist is given control of the formerly Christian nations by God after the taking away of the Holy Spirit (who reproves sin in the world John 16:7-8) and the Church age believers who He seals 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12.
(6)Origin of the antichrist. The antichrist comes out of the sea as one of the heads of the revived Roman Empire that is ruled by Harlot Babylon for the first half of the tribulation. In Revelation 17:16-18 God causes the ten kings to destroy the harlot and give their power to the antichrist. Rev 13:11-12 tells us about the false prophet who will come from the earth and cause men to worship the beast (antichrist) that survives the wound. Zechariah 11:16-17 tells us the wound will blind his right eye and his arm.


1. Who are the "formerly Christian nations" and who controls all the other nations?

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Eric, you cannot expect me to agree with all your wild suppositions, based on Scofield rather than the bible. The revised roman empire is the papacy. It followed on from the fall of the empire, and took on the power and authority of the empire and the emperor. Caesar was pont max, as head of the Roman religion and its high priest as well as claiming to be god on earth. The papacy fulfills all these rolls today and has through the ages. The papacy is the beast that is not, the empire, and yet is, to those who can see it, the papacy. Why look for a reveised Roman Empire to come when it is there and has been for centuries.

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Eric, you cannot expect me to agree with all your wild suppositions, based on Scofield rather than the bible. The revised roman empire is the papacy. It followed on from the fall of the empire, and took on the power and authority of the empire and the emperor. Caesar was pont max, as head of the Roman religion and its high priest as well as claiming to be god on earth. The papacy fulfills all these rolls today and has through the ages. The papacy is the beast that is not, the empire, and yet is, to those who can see it, the papacy. Why look for a reveised Roman Empire to come when it is there and has been for centuries.

I've encountered this in much of my reading. It seems until the second half of the 20th century, this was the most common teaching. Then after Vatican II and social upheavals in America and other countries in the 1960s, what followed was a growing acceptance of the RCC as "just another Christian church". Those who once preached the RCC was the revamped Roman Empire, including dispensationalists, began changing their tune.

First they shifted to looking at the growing EU (under differing names) as the revived Roman Empire. As the EU grew beyond the number of nations they had predicted for the new RE (Roman Empire), there began a shift to the view the new RE would actually be a "system" and not an actual place. Most acceptable now seems to be the idea that all Western nations are a part of the new RE because their "systems" are basically Roman.

Gone are any suggestions the RCC is the RE or the papacy has anything to do with the beast or antichrist.

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1. Who are the "formerly Christian nations" and who controls all the other nations?

Hi John81,
I missed you.
If you asked a Muslim who the Christian nations are he would tell you.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 God will cause every person that heard and rejected the truth of the gospel to believe the lie of the antichrist. That is why America will follow the antichrist. All of the western Europe and its colonies will follow the antichrist after the rapture. They will devour the whole earth by the middle of the tribulation.

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Eric, you cannot expect me to agree with all your wild suppositions, based on Scofield rather than the bible. The revised roman empire is the papacy. It followed on from the fall of the empire, and took on the power and authority of the empire and the emperor. Caesar was pont max, as head of the Roman religion and its high priest as well as claiming to be god on earth. The papacy fulfills all these rolls today and has through the ages. The papacy is the beast that is not, the empire, and yet is, to those who can see it, the papacy. Why look for a revived Roman Empire to come when it is there and has been for centuries.

The papacy will combine with all the formerly christian churches after the rapture of the true Christians. The ecumenical church will be Mystery Babylon. She will ride and control the revived Roman Empire untill the middle of the tribulation. Then God will cause the 10 western kings who have devoured the whole earth to give their power to the antichrist after they destroy Mystery Babylon Revelation 17:16-18.

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Hi John81,
I missed you.
If you asked a Muslim who the Christian nations are he would tell you.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 God will cause every person that heard and rejected the truth of the gospel to believe the lie of the antichrist. That is why America will follow the antichrist. All of the western Europe and its colonies will follow the antichrist after the rapture. They will devour the whole earth by the middle of the tribulation.

So Muslims are an authority on what is or isn't a Christian nation? Many of the nations Muslims consider to be Christian were actually Catholic nations, not Christian.

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So Muslims are an authority on what is or isn't a Christian nation? Many of the nations Muslims consider to be Christian were actually Catholic nations, not Christian.


I know some Catholic people who are true Christians also.
Yes the Catholic nations will be part of the apostate christian church called Harlot Babylon. Edited by Eric Stahl

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There's no such thing as a Christian nation anymore. Could one even find a Christian city?


I agree, yet many are the Americans that calls this United States a Christian Nation. Yet I really don't see it behaving as a Christians country.

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I know some Catholic people who are true Christians also.
Yes the Catholic nations will be part of the apostate christian church called Harlot Babylon.

If they are true Christians then why are they still Catholics?

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If they are true Christians then why are they still Catholics?


True.

Catholics worship a false god, the host, or wafer god. Many years ago when he was a young man, Ian K Paisley addressed the Oxford Union, he held up a wafer and said "This is the Catholic god." This clip has been shown on TV several times.

Father Chiniquy calls the consectrated wafer the "Bon Dieu" (the Good God) in Fifty Years in the Church of Rome. He tells of taking the host to a sick parishoner and losing it in the snow, and another time, while sheltering from the bad weather with an Irish family, it was dropped in a baby's potty, then was given a burial outside, together with the baby's doings. Edited by Invicta

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True.

Catholics worship a false god, the host, or wafer god. Many years ago when he was a young man, Ian K Paisley addressed the Oxford Union, he held up a wafer and said "This is the Catholic god." This clip has been shown on TV several times.

Father Chiniquy calls the consectrated wafer the "Bon Dieu" (the Good God) in Fifty Years in the Church of Rome. He tells of taking the host to a sick parishoner and losing it in the snow, and another time, while sheltering from the bad weather with an Irish family, it was dropped in a baby's potty, then was given a burial outside, together with the baby's doings.

I remember when Pope Paul II died and so many Christians were talking about how he had been such a good Christian pope, one who truly loved Jesus, etc.

Even after some folks put together a huge collection of quotes from Pope Paul II lifting Mary above Jesus, and his idolotry of Mary was more than obvious, most Christians continued to claim that pope as a true Christian who loved Jesus.

Similarly, many Christians hold "Mother Teresa" on the same level regardless of her quotes to the contrary.

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The papacy will combine with all the formerly christian churches after the rapture of the true Christians. The ecumenical church will be Mystery Babylon. She will ride and control the revived Roman Empire untill the middle of the tribulation. Then God will cause the 10 western kings who have devoured the whole earth to give their power to the antichrist after they destroy Mystery Babylon Revelation 17:16-18.

 

I can't wait to see the look on your face when the time comes.

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I can't wait to see the look on your face when the time comes.

 

michael 1,

 

I see that you are new here. Welcome! If you have Jesus in your heart, we will both be in heaven when this happens and you can see my face.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12

6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

Almost all of America's people have rejected God and his son. The same is true of most of the western powers. They will believe and follow the antichrist because of God's judgment. Mystery Babylon the mother of harlots is the church that will ride the western powers where ever they go.

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Almost all of America's people have rejected God and his son. The same is true of most of the western powers. They will believe and follow the antichrist because of God's judgment. Mystery Babylon the mother of harlots is the church that will ride the western powers where ever they go.

 

Is there even one scriptural reason why the church attributes the harlot and Mystery Babylon to itself?

 

I know some Catholic people who are true Christians also.
Yes the Catholic nations will be part of the apostate Christian church called Harlot Babylon.      

    

The apostasy has nothing to do with the Church either.

Edited by black shepherd

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The apostasy has exclusively to do with the church.

The passage about the apostasy in 2Thes. 2 has nothing to do with the church.

 

Apostasy is not being lukewarm or backsliden. It actually has nothing to do with spiritual condition of a church or lack of devotion of an individual. It is not the acceptance of a false doctrine or heresy. Apostasy will have nothing to do with the end-time church.

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The passage about the apostasy in 2Thes. 2 has nothing to do with the church.

 

Apostasy is not being lukewarm or backsliden. It actually has nothing to do with spiritual condition of a church or lack of devotion of an individual. It is not the acceptance of a false doctrine or heresy. Apostasy will have nothing to do with the end-time church.

You are dead wrong about this.

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