Jacob's trouble

[Invicta]

Past or future?

Future.

[Brother Rick]

Future.

Matthew 24:3, "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Past and future, or just future? Second and third coming, or just second?

[John81]

Christ had a first coming, He said there will be a second coming, where do you see a third coming?

[Brother Rick]

Christ had a first coming, He said there will be a second coming, where do you see a third coming?

Brother, you know I don't believe in a third coming! :-) I just want to know what Invicta believes on this. If Christ's birth was His first coming, 70 A.D. was His second coming, would a later resurrection be His third?

[John81]

Brother, you know I don't believe in a third coming! :-) I just want to know what Invicta believes on this. If Christ's birth was His first coming, 70 A.D. was His second coming, would a later resurrection be His third?

Now I understand what you were asking. That wasn't clear to me as you put it before.

[JerryNumbers]

Christ had a first coming, He said there will be a second coming, where do you see a third coming?

His 2nd coming will only be in the air.

Some do not use the word 2nd coming when He comes for His own, some do.

And of course the next time He comes after the rapture He will come as king of Kings, to rule this world, & there will be a wonderful 1000 years.

[Invicta]

His 2nd coming will only be in the air.


And of course the next time He comes after the rapture He will come as king of Kings, to rule this world, & there will be a wonderful 1000 years.

The scripture doesn't say that. You are adding to scripture. What is says is that we will meet him in the air. Something completely different.

[Invicta]

Brother, you know I don't believe in a third coming! :-) I just want to know what Invicta believes on this. If Christ's birth was His first coming, 70 A.D. was His second coming, would a later resurrection be His third?

I thought you pre tribs beleived in multiple second comings. Anderson, author of The Coming Prince, much loved by disps, certainly did. He believed th the coming to the air, (completely unscriptural) a coming in mid trib and a coming at the end of the trib and probably several others as well.

[Brother Rick]

I thought you pre tribs beleived in multiple second comings. Anderson, author of The Coming Prince, much loved by disps, certainly did. He believed th the coming to the air, (completely unscriptural) a coming in mid trib and a coming at the end of the trib and probably several others as well.

You're confusing in-house rapture theories with the actual Second Advent.

I noticed you haven't been answering my questions, are you going to now?

[Invicta]

You're confusing in-house rapture theories with the actual Second Advent.

I noticed you haven't been answering my questions, are you going to now?

If you are refering to your question about an earlier second coming in the clouds. I do't know the answer. But if the scriptrure sayd=s so, then I belkieve it, rather than you, who when you cannot see an answer you invent one. That is false teaching.

[Brother Rick]

If you are refering to your question about an earlier second coming in the clouds. I do't know the answer. But if the scriptrure sayd=s so, then I belkieve it, rather than you, who when you cannot see an answer you invent one. That is false teaching.

Now that's not very nice at all!

If you don't know the answer that's fine, nobody here knows everything.

[LindaR]

There are two distinct phases to the Second Coming of Christ: The Rapture (pre-tribulational coming) and the Second Advent (post-tribulational coming). Dispensational teaching does not teach 3 comings of Christ.

The Rapture is imminent…it can happen at any time. There is nothing that needs to be fulfilled before He comes for His Church. The Rapture of the Church will be “in the air” and Christ will be seen only by the Church. It will happen suddenly (in the twinkling of an eye) and the Christ rejecting world will not even realize what is happening. The Rapture is Christ’s pre-tribulational coming “in the air” FOR His saints. He does not come TO the earth at this time. (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:52).

The Second Advent of Christ will be visible….every eye will see Him (Matthew 24:24-27; Revelation 1:7) and He will come back WITH His saints (Matthew 24:29-30; Revelation 19:11-16). His Second Advent will be TO the earth (Zechariah 14:4; Acts 1:11).

Edited January 18, 2012 by LindaR

[Eric Stahl]

The Five Phases of the First Resurrection
(1) Jesus took the Old Testament saints to Heaven at His ascension. Psalms 68:18, Ephesians 4:8
(2) The Holy Spirit and the church age saints are caught up to heaven before the antichrist Is given power in the Christian nations. 2Thessalonians 2:3-12, and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 also see John16:7-8
(3)The mid tribulation catching up will include the two witnesses Revelation11:3,7-14, the 144,000 sealed Jews from Revelation chapter 7 who where redeemed from the earth. See Revelation 14:1-4, and the redeemed dead saints from the first half of the Tribulation. See Revelation 15:1-4
(4) The dead saints from the last half of the tribulation are redeemed from the earth after the tribulation. Revelation 20:4
(5) The dead saints from the Kingdom age will be judged at the great white throne judgment along with the second resurrection sinners. Revelation 20:11-15

[Covenanter]

The Five Phases of the First Resurrection
(1) Jesus took the Old Testament saints to Heaven at His ascension. Psalms 68:18, Ephesians 4:8
(2) The Holy Spirit and the church age saints are caught up to heaven before the antichrist Is given power in the Christian nations. 2Thessalonians 2:3-12, and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 also see John16:7-8
(3)The mid tribulation catching up will include the two witnesses Revelation11:3,7-14, the 144,000 sealed Jews from Revelation chapter 7 who where redeemed from the earth. See Revelation 14:1-4, and the redeemed dead saints from the first half of the Tribulation. See Revelation 15:1-4
(4) The dead saints from the last half of the tribulation are redeemed from the earth after the tribulation. Revelation 20:4
(5) The dead saints from the Kingdom age will be judged at the great white throne judgment along with the second resurrection sinners. Revelation 20:11-15

Keep It Simple, Scriptural:

Jesus describes 2 resurrections in John 5. The first is conversion, when the dead sinner believes, & begins eternal life. The second is the general resurrection at the last day.

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In Rev. 20, we see the souls of bodily dead believers who, having served & suffered during the present millennium lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The first, spiritual resurrection, secures all believers from the second death.

Your imposed disp system complicates & confuses the plain truth of Scripture.

[Brother Rick]

There's a very obvious flaw in that, C. If the bodily resurrection is a single general resurrection at the last day, and if that is what the Scripture teach, then how does one explain the bodily resurrection when Christ rose? It wasn't at the last day, it was 2,000 years ago.

Edited January 18, 2012 by Rick Schworer