Members LindaR Posted January 30, 2012 Members Share Posted January 30, 2012 Actually, what I stated was that the writers of the New Testament didn't spend a lot of time focusing on the Millennial kingdom because it is Jewish in nature, as in the 300,000 square miles of ground that was promised to Abraham's seed. This isn't to say that it's not mentioned though, it is. The Tribulation/Rapture/Second Coming are very important subjects and are mentioned often in the New Testament. Matthew 24-25, I Thess 4, I Cor. 15, Revelation, etc Exactly! The Millennial Kingdom is definitely Jewish in nature! The Church age believers are not looking for the Antichrist, we are looking (and loving) Christ's glorious appearing FOR us "in the air"2 Timothy 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Eric Stahl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eric Stahl Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 Come quickly Lord Jesus! I can hardly wait. I will see you up there if you love Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JerryNumbers Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 I love the words 'Blessed Hope,' in Titus 2:13, & to think of the feelings we will have when we see His 'Glorious appearing.' Makes me think of this old hymn. There will be a happy meeting in Heaven, I know When we see the many loved ones we've known here below Gathered on that blessed hilltop with hearts all aglow That will be a glad reunion day. A glad day, a wonderful day, A glad day, a glorious day There with all the holy angels and loved ones to stay That will be a glad reunion day. When we live a million years in that wonderful place Basking in the love of Jesus, beholding His face It will seem but just a moment of praising His grace That will be a glad reunion day. A glad day, a wonderful day, A glad day, a glorious day There with all the holy angels and loved ones to stay That will be a glad reunion day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1Timothy115 Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 I love the words 'Blessed Hope,' in Titus 2:13, & to think of the feelings we will have when we see His 'Glorious appearing.' Makes me think of this old hymn. There will be a happy meeting in Heaven, I know When we see the many loved ones we've known here below Gathered on that blessed hilltop with hearts all aglow That will be a glad reunion day. A glad day, a wonderful day, A glad day, a glorious day There with all the holy angels and loved ones to stay That will be a glad reunion day. When we live a million years in that wonderful place Basking in the love of Jesus, beholding His face It will seem but just a moment of praising His grace That will be a glad reunion day. A glad day, a wonderful day, A glad day, a glorious day There with all the holy angels and loved ones to stay That will be a glad reunion day. Or another along the same lines, "Is it the Crowning Day?" Jesus may come today Glad day, glad day! And I would see my Friend; Dangers and troubles would end If Jesus should come today.RefrainGlad day, glad day! Is it the crowning day? I’ll live for today, nor anxious be; Jesus, my Lord I soon shall see. Glad day, glad day! Is it the crowning day? I may go home today Glad day, glad day! Seemeth I hear their song; Hail to the radiant throng! If I should go home today.Refrain Why should I anxious be? Glad day, glad day! Lights appear on the shore, Storms will affright nevermore, For He is “at hand” today.Refrain Faithful I’ll be today, Glad day, glad day! And I will freely tell Why I should love Him so well, For He is my all today.Refrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Covenanter Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 Exactly! The Millennial Kingdom is definitely Jewish in nature! The Church age believers are not looking for the Antichrist, we are looking (and loving) Christ's glorious appearing FOR us "in the air"2 Timothy 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Those verses - & those cited & linked by Rick - do not TEACH a rapture, but are used to support that teaching. The literal teachingof the verses is of the resurrection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eric Stahl Posted February 5, 2012 Members Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) Isaiah 19:23-25 In that day (millennium) Egypt and Syria will be three with Israel. God said they are my children. The Millennium is not just a Jewish thing. In fact I will be there with you all too! Edited February 5, 2012 by Eric Stahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JerryNumbers Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 Those verses - & those cited & linked by Rick - do not TEACH a rapture, but are used to support that teaching. The literal teachingof the verses is of the resurrection. Hint, at the resurrection there will be a rapture, & Jesus will take His own out of this world, as He has promised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Invicta Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 Rapture isn't a scripture word. We will meet Christ in the air. anime4christ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LindaR Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. The English word “rapture” comes from the Latin raptus, meaning “seized” or “carried away.”Strong's Greek Dictionary 726. harpazoharpazo har-pad'-zo from a derivative of 138; to seize (in various applications):--catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).Way of Life Encyclopedia RAPTURE The term commonly used for the catching away of the saints described in 1Th 4:13-18. This Rapture is (1) a resurrection of the dead in Christ (v. 14-16), (2) a catching up and translation of the living N.T. saints (v. 17). The term "caught up" in 1Th 4:17 is also translated "pluck" (Joh 10:28), "pulling [out of the fire]" (Jude 1:23), and "take by force" (Ac 23:10). It refers to a forceful seizing and a snatching away. It is used of the devil snatching the word of God from the heart of the foolish (Mt 13:19) and of the Spirit of God snatching away Philip after the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch (Ac 8:39). This is exactly what Christ will do to the N.T. believers before the onslaught of the Great Tribulation. This event is also described in 1Co 15:51-58. Here we see that the translation of the N.T. saints will involve an instantaneous change from morality to immortality. Those believers living at that hour will never see death (v. 51). Edited February 6, 2012 by LindaR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gabrielle A Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 So...you guys believe in the "Rapture Theory"? do you also believe in the OSAS and UR theories??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members anime4christ Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 So...you guys believe in the "Rapture Theory"? do you also believe in the OSAS and UR theories??? I don't believe in a pretrib rapture. I believe in God's faithfulness in keeping his elect. I don't know what UR is tho. I'm not too big on extra-biblical theories. Gabrielle A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LindaR Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 So...you guys believe in the "Rapture Theory"? do you also believe in the OSAS and UR theories??? The Rapture is not a theory...it is a biblical teaching. God has promised born again believers/the Body of Christ/the Church that He will save them from His wrath, which will come upon all Christ rejecters. This is called the 7 year tribulation period. 1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. OSAS is not a "theory" either. I think most posters on this board believe in the eternal security of the born again believer. I have no idea what the UR "theory" is. Would you define this for those who don't know what it is, please? swathdiver 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gabrielle A Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) I think that everything is a theory until it becomes a reality, then it is no-longer a theory... UR is Universal Reconciliation. - All human life will be able to reconcile back to God even those who have gone into hell. Their time in hell will give them an opportunity to repent and be reconciled to God. There is no "Lake of Fire" no=one burns. Even the Fallen one's have a chance of being restored back to God...[supposedly] Is the "Rapture" also part of the Independent Baptist belief? Blessings! Edited February 6, 2012 by Gabrielle A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eric Stahl Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 I think that everything is a theory until it becomes a reality, then it is no-longer a theory... UR is Universal Reconciliation. - All human life will be able to reconcile back to God even those who have gone into hell. Their time in hell will give them an opportunity to repent and be reconciled to God. There is no "Lake of Fire" no=one burns. Even the Fallen one's have a chance of being restored back to God...[supposedly] Is the "Rapture" also part of the Independent Baptist belief? Blessings! I believe in the pre tribulation rapture of the church age believers. Revelation 20:11-15 indicates that all nonbelievers in Jesus will be cast into the lake of fire (lava). Hell was made for the devil and the angels that revolted against God but many humans have joined the rebellion and will also be sent to hell as the rich man in Luke 16:19-31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Covenanter Posted February 6, 2012 Members Share Posted February 6, 2012 The Rapture is not a theory...it is a biblical teaching. God has promised born again believers/the Body of Christ/the Church that He will save them from His wrath, which will come upon all Christ rejecters. This is called the 7 year tribulation period.There is no specific 7-year tribulation period taught in Scripture. It is a theory imposed on certain texts.1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.Of course we are delivered from the wrath to come - hell. That text is a straightforward second coming, resurrection text. There is no contextual justification for reading 7-year tribulation there - God's wrath is eternal. But note the reference to God's wrath in the next chapter:14For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.That is not 7-year tribulation either. Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.That says nothing about 7-year trib - only "the hour of temptation." Even in NT times believers suffered tribulation:So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 2 Thes. 1:4 OSAS is not a "theory" either. I think most posters on this board believe in the eternal security of the born again believer. I have no idea what the UR "theory" is. Would you define this for those who don't know what it is, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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