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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

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Who says it has to? It certainly doesn't forbid them.



God says it has to. Heb 7:12-14 teaches us that authority is required. Vs 12 reads, "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." Why? Read the rest of this passage. Because there was no authority for someone of the tribe of Judah to be a Priest....notice that the Hebrew writer affirms the fact that it was not explicitly forbidden that a man of the tribe of Judah could serve since the tribe of Judah was never discussed in relation to the priesthood.

Col 3:17 tells us that whatever we do we are to do in the name of the Lord or by His authority. He has not given us such authority.

I might add that faith comes from God's word (Rom 10:17). Something that is not in His Word is not by faith

I would also suggest you read Lev 10:1-2 and notice that Nadab and Abihu were destroyed because they offered strange (UNAUTHORIZED) fire. What are we offerening that is UNAUTHORIZED?

We could also study King Saul and his sacrifices to the Lord in 1 Sam 13. God was not pleased with him there. In 1 Sam 15 Saul claimed that he and the people were going to offer of the animals which he had brought back. Notice what Samuel said in verse 22. Nothing we have to offer is better than what God asks for.
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The first century church did not use mechanical instruments.


Get the latex gloves...this guy can't make up his mind. In the same town, there are two "Churches of Christ" one offers no musical instruments while the other has a regular piano and other instruments for special music.

COCs need to get their story straight.
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Get the latex gloves...this guy can't make up his mind. In the same town, there are two "Churches of Christ" one offers no musical instruments while the other has a regular piano and other instruments for special music.

COCs need to get their story straight.


One might be the United Churches of Christ, the other one, the church of Christ, if so, they be different. First Christin Churches hold to much of the beliefs of the churches of Christ, but they have music instruments. Freewill Baptist hold to many of them as well.

Not defending, trying to keep the record strait. I've never seen a 'church of Christ' with music instruments.




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Musical instruments were certainly authorized in the worship of God in the OT. The entire chapter of 1 Chronicles 25 talks about who was appointed to play various instruments in the house of God. 1 Chronicles 23:5, 2 Chronicles 5:13, 2 Chronicles 7:6, Psalm 33:2, Psalm: 150 etc. all speak of instruments being used in the worship of God. Unless you can show that there was some reason for that to change in the NT the practice stands as completely biblical. Biblically we know all sorts of musical instruments were used in the OT in the worship of God and in Revelation harps are specifically mentioned as being used in heaven. I can't imagine what the reasoning behind thinking that God does not want Christians using instruments in his worship is. It must be pretty convoluted.

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Get the latex gloves...this guy can't make up his mind. In the same town, there are two "Churches of Christ" one offers no musical instruments while the other has a regular piano and other instruments for special music.

COCs need to get their story straight.


I can't speak of anyone in your town. What I can say is that the 1st century church did not use mechanical instrument. Neither did the 2nd Century church. The 3rd Century church did not......It wasn't until around 1000 that the Catholic church (obviously they had already fell away in other ways.) added Mechanical instruments. What I can say is that the NT does not authorize it.


Are there those who fall away from the truth? Certainly there are those who do. We would not have the Catholic church or any other denomination if they did not, but any sound congregation will not use mechanical instruments.
Each person is free to make us his or her own mind for him/herself. Each of us will have to answer for our choices and will be judged by the word (John 12:48). I choose to worship the Lord as He has set forth.
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Musical instruments were certainly authorized in the worship of God in the OT. The entire chapter of 1 Chronicles 25 talks about who was appointed to play various instruments in the house of God. 1 Chronicles 23:5, 2 Chronicles 5:13, 2 Chronicles 7:6, Psalm 33:2, Psalm: 150 etc. all speak of instruments being used in the worship of God. Unless you can show that there was some reason for that to change in the NT the practice stands as completely biblical. Biblically we know all sorts of musical instruments were used in the OT in the worship of God and in Revelation harps are specifically mentioned as being used in heaven. I can't imagine what the reasoning behind thinking that God does not want Christians using instruments in his worship is. It must be pretty convoluted.


Why Seth, if you have to go to the OT to get mechanical instruments, why do you not bring forth animal sacrifices as well? They were authorized under the OT as well. I trust that you do not call for animal sacrifices though. Just remember that we are not under the OT any longer. Col 2:14 tells us that it was nailed to the cross. Yes, it is there for our learning (Rom 15:4), but we do not worship in the same manner. We live under the NT.

As for Revelation, it is symbolic and you are mistaken as to it being clear that there will be mechanical instruments in heaven.

You don't have to understand God's reasoning since He is much smarter than you are; you just have to obey Him. We all do.
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Why Seth, if you have to go to the OT to get mechanical instruments, why do you not bring forth animal sacrifices as well? They were authorized under the OT as well. I trust that you do not call for animal sacrifices though.


We would, except that the NT makes it clear that the sacrifices were only for a picture of things to come and that Christs sacrifice ended the requirement to offer animals.


Just remember that we are not under the OT any longer. Col 2:14 tells us that it was nailed to the cross. Yes, it is there for our learning (Rom 15:4), but we do not worship in the same manner. We live under the NT.


Can you give one single NT reason why instrumental music should not be used today? Obviously it can't be wrong in and of itself or else those OT verses talking about using it to praise God would not be there. Your only possible avenue would be to show from the NT that that aspect of worship has changed and it is no longer acceptable. There isn't a single thing that would imply that.

As for Revelation, it is symbolic and you are mistaken as to it being clear that there will be mechanical instruments in heaven.


"Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints."

"Revelation 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:"

"Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."

Doesn't look symbolic to me, and even if it were, why would such "symbolism" be used if it were improper to use such instruments in praise of God?

You don't have to understand God's reasoning since He is much smarter than you are; you just have to obey Him. We all do.


Granted, but you have not established that not using musical instruments is a command of God. What scriptures there are on the subject would point the other way actually.

A Simple Question: Is it a sin not to use mechanical instruments in worship service?


No, it isn't wrong "not" to use them, if that were the only problem with the COC I wouldn't take to much issue with them. I would just consider it a odd belief not substantiated or even indicated in any way by scripture but one that was relatively harmless. The most serious problem with the COC is that they add works to grace for salvation.
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A simple answer to your question, no, yet, the other is of more importance.


Silly of you to bring up sacrifices, grace come in, and of course animal sacrifices never saved no one, that is impossible, yet there was a sacrifice, that being Jesus, and its all about Jesus, He gets all the glory.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins

Only Jesus, the blood of Jesus, can take away the sin.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Its so easy, yet Christ is a stumbling block for many, they just can't seem to believe that Jesus is enough, that salvation is only in Jesus, they just feel they have to add something to it.

Salvation only come by grace thought faith in Jesus, not of works, not of self, its a gift. And even John 3:18 and 3:36 makes it so clear, he that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life, he that doesn't does not. No baptizing there, and never in the Bible does it require baptizing to be saved.

Mr 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Even this verse is plain, he that believeth shall not be damned. think, its says he that believeth not shall be damned, not he that is not baptized shall be damned, only he that believeth not. Yet there is more.

Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Ro 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Clearly, he that confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved, nothing about baptizing, its pointing to only Jesus, its all about Him.

Them there is this verse:


13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:13 (KJV)
Nothing about baptizing, yet he that calls on the Lord, shall be saved.


Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Matt 10:32

Who ever confess Jesus before men, nothing whatsoever about baptizing.


Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:20 (KJV)

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Rev 22:17 (KJV)

Yes, Christ will stand at the door of a mans heart, yet he will not come in unless He is asked, and its not by baptizing, Jesus just says come, come and believe.
Yes, seems so many just start stumbling when it come to just trusting Christ, they sense they have to do something, add just a bit to it, and refuse to believe, refuse to place all that faith into Christ, and Him alone. Yes, Jesus has a wonderful gift to offer whosoever, will just accept it, He only ask they you believe on Him, trust and obey.

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:15 (KJV)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 (KJV)

Yes, so simple, believe on Him, that is all it takes, its not about works, its about Jesus, He is enough, and it be only Him that can save a soul from the depths of hell.
Yes, there is one and only one way to the Father, Christ tells us its though Him alone, John 16:6. not through Him plus water baptism, just Him alone. One can only trust and obey Him, and when they do, they will know the moment it happens, the moment the Holy Ghost enters their body, 1 Corinthians 6:19. And they will never be the same, not after they realize the love Jesus has given them by dying upon that cross that they may have:

Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Life more abundantly, and that life is before those who have Jesus as their Savior. Oh how we have so much to look forward to, and its due to one that can save us from our sins, if we will just trust Him and accept the free gift.

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One might be the United Churches of Christ, the other one, the church of Christ, if so, they be different. First Christin Churches hold to much of the beliefs of the churches of Christ, but they have music instruments. Freewill Baptist hold to many of them as well.

Not defending, trying to keep the record strait. I've never seen a 'church of Christ' with music instruments.

Also, if the CoC are like the IFB in that they are not a denomination but separate, independent churches as are the IFB, one can't proclaim they don't have their story straight because they don't all agree on all points any more than all IFB churches don't agree on all points.
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I can't speak of anyone in your town. What I can say is that the 1st century church did not use mechanical instrument. Neither did the 2nd Century church. The 3rd Century church did not......It wasn't until around 1000 that the Catholic church (obviously they had already fell away in other ways.) added Mechanical instruments. What I can say is that the NT does not authorize it.


Are there those who fall away from the truth? Certainly there are those who do. We would not have the Catholic church or any other denomination if they did not, but any sound congregation will not use mechanical instruments.
Each person is free to make us his or her own mind for him/herself. Each of us will have to answer for our choices and will be judged by the word (John 12:48). I choose to worship the Lord as He has set forth.


If you could provide one scripture reference which forbids the use of a piano or other "mechanical" music device in New Testament Christian churches someone might listen to you. Otherwise, the CoC is no different than the Catholic Church in that regard, dogma/history of the church carry more weight than scripture.
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We would, except that the NT makes it clear that the sacrifices were only for a picture of things to come and that Christs sacrifice ended the requirement to offer animals.




Can you give one single NT reason why instrumental music should not be used today? Obviously it can't be wrong in and of itself or else those OT verses talking about using it to praise God would not be there. Your only possible avenue would be to show from the NT that that aspect of worship has changed and it is no longer acceptable. There isn't a single thing that would imply that.



"Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints."

"Revelation 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:"

"Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."

Doesn't look symbolic to me, and even if it were, why would such "symbolism" be used if it were improper to use such instruments in praise of God?



Granted, but you have not established that not using musical instruments is a command of God. What scriptures there are on the subject would point the other way actually.



No, it isn't wrong "not" to use them, if that were the only problem with the COC I wouldn't take to much issue with them. I would just consider it a odd belief not substantiated or even indicated in any way by scripture but one that was relatively harmless. The most serious problem with the COC is that they add works to grace for salvation.


Seth, you can not provide even 1 verse that says "thou shalt not make animal sacrifices." Allow me to be clear that I am not suggesting that we sacrifice animals since the NT does in fact teach that we have a better sacrifice (Christ) and therefore do not need to make such. You also do not have any passage that says not to use hamburgers and coke on the Lord's supper either. Again, I am not suggesting that we use such or that it would even be ok. The Bible clearly tells us what we are to use.

Yes, I can and have given reasons why they are not to be used. We do not use them because we have no authority (In the NT) for them. You can not provide even one passage that justifies/authorizes their use. We are told to sing (Eph 5:19; Col 3:16) We are not told to use mechanical instruments. Not one verse that commands it, not one verse that gives us an example of it and not one verse that even inplies that we should use them.
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A simple answer to your question, no, yet, the other is of more importance.


Silly of you to bring up sacrifices, grace come in, and of course animal sacrifices never saved no one, that is impossible, yet there was a sacrifice, that being Jesus, and its all about Jesus, He gets all the glory.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins

Only Jesus, the blood of Jesus, can take away the sin.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Its so easy, yet Christ is a stumbling block for many, they just can't seem to believe that Jesus is enough, that salvation is only in Jesus, they just feel they have to add something to it.

Salvation only come by grace thought faith in Jesus, not of works, not of self, its a gift. And even John 3:18 and 3:36 makes it so clear, he that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life, he that doesn't does not. No baptizing there, and never in the Bible does it require baptizing to be saved.

Mr 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Even this verse is plain, he that believeth shall not be damned. think, its says he that believeth not shall be damned, not he that is not baptized shall be damned, only he that believeth not. Yet there is more.

Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Ro 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Clearly, he that confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved, nothing about baptizing, its pointing to only Jesus, its all about Him.

Them there is this verse:


13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:13 (KJV)
Nothing about baptizing, yet he that calls on the Lord, shall be saved.


Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Matt 10:32

Who ever confess Jesus before men, nothing whatsoever about baptizing.


Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:20 (KJV)

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Rev 22:17 (KJV)

Yes, Christ will stand at the door of a mans heart, yet he will not come in unless He is asked, and its not by baptizing, Jesus just says come, come and believe.
Yes, seems so many just start stumbling when it come to just trusting Christ, they sense they have to do something, add just a bit to it, and refuse to believe, refuse to place all that faith into Christ, and Him alone. Yes, Jesus has a wonderful gift to offer whosoever, will just accept it, He only ask they you believe on Him, trust and obey.

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:15 (KJV)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 (KJV)

Yes, so simple, believe on Him, that is all it takes, its not about works, its about Jesus, He is enough, and it be only Him that can save a soul from the depths of hell.
Yes, there is one and only one way to the Father, Christ tells us its though Him alone, John 16:6. not through Him plus water baptism, just Him alone. One can only trust and obey Him, and when they do, they will know the moment it happens, the moment the Holy Ghost enters their body, 1 Corinthians 6:19. And they will never be the same, not after they realize the love Jesus has given them by dying upon that cross that they may have:

Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Life more abundantly, and that life is before those who have Jesus as their Savior. Oh how we have so much to look forward to, and its due to one that can save us from our sins, if we will just trust Him and accept the free gift.


It seems that you are wanting to discuss salvation. We were discussing the issue of mechanical instruments but if you wish to discuss salvation, I will be glad to do so again.

Here is a simple question. How many times is the question "What must I do to be saved?" (in one form or another) found in the NT? What is the answer given in each of those times?
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If you could provide one scripture reference which forbids the use of a piano or other "mechanical" music device in New Testament Christian churches someone might listen to you. Otherwise, the CoC is no different than the Catholic Church in that regard, dogma/history of the church carry more weight than scripture.


Tim, first allow me to say that there is no passage, not one, in the NT nor in the OT that explicitly states, "thou shalt not use mechanical instruments." But then again you can not provide even 1 passage in the NT (which is what we are under now) that gives you a command to use it, nor an example of their use in NT worship, nor can you provide even 1 passage that implies (inferrence) that we are to use them. Where is your authority? You go back to the OT to try to find it. We are not under the OT any longer.

No, I don't place anything above scripture, but I do recognize the fact that the example (both in the NT and in secular writtings) of the apostles and others of that time is a valid example to look at. I do believe that inspired men carry more weight that does those who have nothing more that men's traditions to offer. The inspired apostles and others of that time did not use them. You use them, not because you have authority for it but because of men's traditions which began with the catholic church around 1000 AD.
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The topic, church of Christ, is such a broad subject, and I answered the question if using music instruments was a sin with a no, yet as I said, this other is of much greater importance, in fact, its the most important.

You asked, "How many times is the question "What must I do to be saved?" Of which I have already answer, Paul says it this way, that is should a person want to be saved..

Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Ro 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

To be saved, confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth, believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, and thou shall be saved. Simple isn't it, not even no baptizing. In other words he is saying the same thing that Ephesians 2:8.9, says

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Grace, plus faith, to be saved, there is nothing possible for you do in order to gain salvation for its not of self, not of works, its a gif, yet you just can't resist adding to it, water baptism, its so hard to accept a free gift, it just seem there has to be something done to get that gift of salvation outside of faith and believing, so many add water baptism. When in fact, Jesus is enough. Jesus saves, water, a baptistery, has never saved anyone.

If, that is if I believe one had to be baptized in order to be saved, myself being a Baptist pastor, I would have to take a baptistery every where I went just in case there was not a body of water handy just in case I come across someone wanting to be saved. There is no way that I could witness to anyone, talking to them about being saved, telling them that they will have to attend the next church services in order to be baptized and fit for heaven, and that it they died before they could be baptized that they could not enter heaven. But I don't have to fear that, because God's Word tells us, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Now I know why that beautiful old song says, "Amazing grace, and not, "Amazing Baptistery," for its all about that amazing grace that our Lord shown and offered to such worms as us.

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Tim, first allow me to say that there is no passage, not one, in the NT nor in the OT that explicitly states, "thou shalt not use mechanical instruments." But then again you can not provide even 1 passage in the NT (which is what we are under now) that gives you a command to use it, nor an example of their use in NT worship, nor can you provide even 1 passage that implies (inferrence) that we are to use them. Where is your authority? You go back to the OT to try to find it. We are not under the OT any longer.


"Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

"1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

"2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."


Christ did not come to destroy the entire OT and end it's usefulness to us. If God accepted something as proper in the OT and you think things have changed and it is no longer acceptable in the NT the burden of proof is on you. Such a change can be show for sacrifices and the ceremonial law, but God suddenly disproving of instruments when he clearly had no objection to them in the OT? There isn't any evidence for that, I mean even at the resurrection what happens? The trumpet is sounded, and the dead are then raised. I certainly don't mind acapella singing, but there is an enormous OT precedent for instruments being used in the worship of God and nothing in NT that would change that. Indeed in the OT they are often portrayed as an asset in worship and in bringing the presence of God. For example what happened when the evil spirit was troubling saul? David played his harp and it departed. Then in 2 Kings 3:15 Elisha called for a minstrel and had the Spirit of the Lord come upon him as he heard the minstrel play. The biblical use of instruments by God's people in worship was extensive.

As far as needing specific NT "authority" for each and every aspect of worship, where is the NT "authority" to use a english translation of Gods word? Where is the "authority" for a group of Christians to have a "church building" instead of meeting in a house? Where is the "authority" to have "hymn books" in said church building? I could take any one of those issues and make your argument that there is no NT "authority" for it. Such "no authority" issues could be raised almost without number. See how silly that gets?

Biblically Christians have liberty to do anything they like as long as it is not sin in and of itself, and is not a bad testimony and stumbling block to others that leads them astray.
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What's that little thing they blow on so that they can sing on key? Seems if it wrong to have any musical instrument, that would be wrong as too, so don't they rightly contradict their self.

Off topic a bit. The local SBC downtown invited the Mennonite choir to come sing. Afterwards one person complimented them on their singing. He replied, "I noticed your choir sings rater good too, yet with all that loud music, it drowns them out, you cannot understand hardly a word they sing for the loud music. If y'all would throw out most of those instruments, where they could be heard sining, they would probably get many compliments."

As for me, I dislike all of that loud music, I enjoy hearing what is begin sung.

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What does "worship" comprise?

Reading Scripture - including the NT writings;
Praying;
Singing Psalms, hymns & spiritual songs;
Preaching the Word;
Prophecy - i.e. speaking unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

Musical instruments are given as examples in that passage on church gatherings:
1Cr 14:7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

Is v.7 an argument against the use of pitch-pipes?

It is a reasonable understanding that lifeless melodic instruments give a distinction in the sounds aka a tune to guide the singing.

Now, to what extent is it SINFUL to worship in a way not specifically authorised in the NT? Should we keep our shoes on? Should we insist on Jews & Sikhs removing their head coverings? And women keeping long hair & head coverings?

As believers in Jesus as Lord & Saviour, our sins are forgiven - ALL our sins, past present & future. Is the "sin" of singing to a tune played on a musical instrument a "continuing sin" that is utterly forbidden. (Rom. 6)

There are much more serious sins, involving musical instruments.

Eze 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
7 ¶ So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; ...
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32 And, lo, thou [art] unto them as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice, and can play well on an instrument: for they hear thy words, but they do them not.
33 And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.

Luk 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
31 And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?
32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.

Are we sinning by using instruments to help our worship? What dies John say?

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

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