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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

Do you believe the above verse teachings tattoos

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  1. 1. Do you believe the above verse teachings tattoos are wrong for the child of God?

    • Yes its 100% wrong
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    • No there is nothing wrong with tattos
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    • I'm not sure
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    • Maybe its OK for some, wrong for others
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This verse is very clear that tattoos are wrong. At one time this was a well accepted truth. The main move to make tattoos okay for Christians, even cool, came a few decades ago with the big push to "relate to the world by looking and acting like the world". This move helped lead to the acceptance among many professing Christians of tattoos, long hair on men, short hair on women, dressing worldly, using worldly mannerisms, etc.

Grafitti on the temple of the Holy Ghost is not right.

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Yes, I know its clear to some of us, but its also clear that some feel there is not one thing wrong with tattoos. I'm just wondering what flocks here think about it, for under another topic one seemed to proclaim its A OK!

Hoping I misunderstood them.

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I couldn't check one of the options, because my opinion doesn't appear on the poll. I believe that tattoos fall under issues of discernment. I would never get a tattoo, because I think it identifies me with culture that I consider worldly.* I would never allow my kids to get tattoos, either, for the same reason. But I don't believe the Bible directly prohibits tattoos in the verse Jerry quoted.

*This is the same reason I would not wear the Abercrombie and Fitch or Hollister label, and that I would not allow my kids to wear mohawks or dye their hair pink.

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I couldn't check one of the options, because my opinion doesn't appear on the poll. I believe that tattoos fall under issues of discernment. I would never get a tattoo, because I think it identifies me with culture that I consider worldly.* I would never allow my kids to get tattoos, either, for the same reason. But I don't believe the Bible directly prohibits tattoos in the verse Jerry quoted.

*This is the same reason I would not wear the Abercrombie and Fitch or Hollister label, and that I would not allow my kids to wear mohawks or dye their hair pink.



How in the world can you say discernment, when the verse is very plain, and right to the point?

Le 19:28 Ye shall not...... .......print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Nothing could be any plainer.
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How in the world can you say discernment, when the verse is very plain, and right to the point?

Le 19:28 Ye shall not...... .......print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Nothing could be any plainer.

The question is this: what is in the "................"? And what is the context of the verse? IOW, what is the LORD truly saying here? Can you men not shape your sideburns or round off the corners of your beards? Can we not eat our steaks rare?

My point is that this verse is located in a paragraph/cluster of verses which is addressing the pagan practices of peoples living around the Israelites. God did not want His people falling into idolatry, or adopting the practices associated with idolatry and paganism. These practices included the things listed in these verses: eating meat with the blood, using enchantments/astrology, cutting hair and beards a certain shape, gashing one's flesh to mourn the dead and/or to provide life blood for the dead person's spirit, marking the flesh with symbols of false deities, and child prostitution.

Now, we know from looking at other Scriptures that some of these things (such as divination and prostitution) are inherently wrong, an abomination to God for all people of all time. But others of these things (such as rounding off sideburns and the edges of the beard, and eating meat with blood) are not inherently wrong...God's purpose in prohibiting these things for the Israelites was to set them apart from pagan practice and idolatry.

The application we can all take from these verses (backed up by other Scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments) is that God wants His children set apart from false religions, and from the practices of those who are opposed to God. This principle requires us to look around and evaluate what practices are associated with "the world"...the order which is opposed to God. This requires discernment, and not everyone will draw their lines in the same places, because we are all different and, depending on a lot of things, like upbringing and location, see things from different perspectives.

That leaves us with the question, "Well, what about tattoos?" To my knowledge, there are no other Scriptures (except possibly the ones about our names being graven on Christ's hands) that deal specifically with tattoos. Yes, there is the "God's temple" verse, which says to glorify God in our bodies and in our spirits, which are God's. In context, that verse is talking about joining one's members to the members of a harlot...but, using other Scriptures, we can surmise that "glorifying God in our bodies" means that we give people the right opinion of God by what we do with our bodies...how we care for them, what they look like, what we eat, etc. So, again, the question we have to evaluate is this: Does wearing a tattoo give others the right opinion of who God is? I don't think so. But saying that tattoos are "graffiti on God's temple" is an expression of opinion, not what Scripture says. Others could argue (from their perspective) that tattoos beautify God's temple in much the same way that cosmetics and jewelry beautify it. I don't agree with that opinion, either. I think tattoos are clearly, in our culture, associated with "the world." Edited by Annie
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You have said it yourself that tattoos have pagan roots, they are worldly. There is no justification for a Christian to get a tattoo.

Even if we just consider our contemporary culture, tattoos are a symbol of rebellion. This is the main reason tattoos are so common and popular with biker gangs, street gangs, and those who consider themselves to be rebels. The allure for many teens who want to get tattoos is the same one there is for booze, sex and drugs...it's something they know they shouldn't do. It's a sign of "independence from all", self-centeredness, rebellion. There are a plethora of Scriptures which address these matters.

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You have said it yourself that tattoos have pagan roots, they are worldly. There is no justification for a Christian to get a tattoo.

Even if we just consider our contemporary culture, tattoos are a symbol of rebellion. This is the main reason tattoos are so common and popular with biker gangs, street gangs, and those who consider themselves to be rebels. The allure for many teens who want to get tattoos is the same one there is for booze, sex and drugs...it's something they know they shouldn't do. It's a sign of "independence from all", self-centeredness, rebellion. There are a plethora of Scriptures which address these matters.

I agree completely. The only clarification I'd add is that I don't think tattoos are worldly because they have pagan roots, but because of what you said in your second paragraph. And, some Christians do not see it this way, as tattoos have become more mainstream. (They aren't just associated with rebels, biker gangs, etc., anymore.) So, I won't sit in judgment over a Christian who has tattoos, although I might question their maturity and discernment. Edited by Annie
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I agree completely. The only clarification I'd add is that I don't think tattoos are worldly because they have pagan roots, but because of what you said in your second paragraph. And, some Christians do not see it this way, as tattoos have become more mainstream. (They aren't just associated with rebels, biker gangs, etc., anymore.) So, I won't sit in judgment over a Christian who has tattoos, although I might question their maturity and discernment.


No, sorry to say this, you've decided you know better than God and refuse to take Him at His Word. So you invent ways to try and make it right.
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No, sorry to say this, you've decided you know better than God and refuse to take Him at His Word. So you invent ways to try and make it right.

Jerry, how have I "invented a way" to make tattoos "right"? Are you against using Scripture and discernment to conclude that tattoos are unwise? I mean, do we really disagree here? I have not said that tattoos are "right"; you are putting words in my mouth.
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Jerry, how have I "invented a way" to make tattoos "right"? Are you against using Scripture and discernment to conclude that tattoos are unwise? I mean, do we really disagree here? I have not said that tattoos are "right"; you are putting words in my mouth.



Le 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.



You refuse to take God at His word on this issue, and refuse to admit that tattoos are a sin against God. Go back and read your post, as well as those in another topic, when there is words plain as that, there needs to be no discernment, only obedience.

You seemed to make it quite plain, you would not tell anyone that tattoos are a sin, and God forbids them.

PS: Yes, I know in moder America its not popular to hold to God's whole truths on issues such as tattoos. I suppose most feel God's truths will offend someone. Edited by Jerry80871852
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Le 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.



You refuse to take God at His word on this issue, and refuse to admit that tattoos are a sin against God. Go back and read your post, as well as those in another topic, when there is words plain as that, there needs to be no discernment, only obedience.

You seemed to make it quite plain, you would not tell anyone that tattoos are a sin, and God forbids them.

PS: Yes, I know in moder America its not popular to hold to God's whole truths on issues such as tattoos. I suppose most feel God's truths will offend someone.

Le 19:26-27: Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood...Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. Edited by Annie
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You can find an excuse to indulge in and or OK any sin you so chose. And its your choice.

So...you're not going to address my questions and comments? You're just going to falsely accuse me of ignoring Scripture so that I can excuse and justify sin? If so, it's a sure sign that you're out of arguments. I'd actually be interested to see how you defend your "private interpretation" of Leviticus 19. If you're consistent in that interpretation, then you're preaching just as hard against trimming sideburns and beards and eating red meat as you are against tattoos. Edited by Annie
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By the way, I'm not condemning anyone who has them, but I do feel that anyone that has them need to seek the Lord forgiveness for having gotten them.


While I don't necessarily disagree, I think we've discussed this in the past by the way...as we humbly came before Christ and asked him to forgive us and save us...do we really need to go and ask His forgiveness again for each and every sin we've committed in the past? Or has our sins been washed away and we shouldn't continue to dwell on those things. Now, as we sin (in the present)...sure we should ask for forgiveness but I sinned so much in the past...if I sat here and tried to seek God's forgiveness for each and every sin...my life would pass me by.
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While I don't necessarily disagree, I think we've discussed this in the past by the way...as we humbly came before Christ and asked him to forgive us and save us...do we really need to go and ask His forgiveness again for each and every sin we've committed in the past? Or has our sins been washed away and we shouldn't continue to dwell on those things. Now, as we sin (in the present)...sure we should ask for forgiveness but I sinned so much in the past...if I sat here and tried to seek God's forgiveness for each and every sin...my life would pass me by.



Please, I did not say that, th_tiphat.gif

The only reason I added that post was to let anyone who reads this know what they need to do if they have had a tattoo and have not done so.

Ps 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

When one has asked forgiveness for what ever it might be, its dropped, gone, forever gone, yet they may be some consequences that comes up.

And yes, I recall discussing this issue several times on here, even since you've been here. And the only reason I started this poll was this came up in another topic and I wondered how others felt about it.
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I see what Annie means. I read the thread.

Like for example, someone could be so convinced that piercing is mutilation, and therefore a no-no, that he feels like telling every preacher's wife with earrings that they are a no-no. Whereas, looking gently, carefully and logically, it may indeed be the case that excessive piercing around the body is mutilation. But it may be taking it to extremes to say therefore that one person's opinion about something as widespread among Christians as earrings, should be imposed all round. (In any case, ear piercing can be easily and hygienically done.) We need to remember Romans 14: individual liberty.

I guess similarly with tattoos: they may be far from ideal, but if a person has them, in some way or another learning to cope with them is their business, and not other people's.

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