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I have been an independent fundamental Baptist for 30 years. My observation is that the confusion does not come from extremist groups being called fundamentalists but from the wolves in sheeps clothing. Consider the following:

#1 - I clarify my position as an independent Baptist by stating that I am unaffiliated. Many preachers and churches that call themselves independent Baptists are in reality affiliated with some man made organization.

#2 - I clarify my position as a fundamental Baptist by stating that I believe in both personal and ecclesiatical separation (which means that I will not compromise for the sake of unity). Many preachers and churches that call themselves fundamental Baptists do not practice Biblical separation.

#3 - I clarify my position as a Bible believing Baptist by stating that I use only the King James Bible in my teaching, preaching, and studying. Many preachers and churches that call themselves Bible believing Baptists are prone to use other versions in some fashion.

There is also the confusion that comes by the way of so-called fundamental Southern Baptists. No matter how you slice it and dice it, a Southern Baptist can never be a fundamentalist.

I believe that many independent fundamental Baptist preachers and churches should just quit calling themselves independent fundamental Baptists. They are new-evangelicals in disguise. The main characteristics found in these wolves in sheeps clothing are worldliness, compromise, and a pragmatic spirit.

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So, J. Frank Norris and G.B. Vick started a new movement called the Independent Baptist Movement, ...


This is a common misconception. I believe that from the time of Christ until now that there has always been local churches that were independent and unaffiliated that held to what we call the Baptist distinctives. J. Frank Norris and G.B. Vick (along with others) withdrew from the Southern Baptist Convention and formed their own groups (Baptist Bible Fellowship and World Baptist Fellowship are the two main ones). They sought to unite "independent" Baptists under one umbrella.

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This is a common misconception. I believe that from the time of Christ until now that there has always been local churches that were independent and unaffiliated that held to what we call the Baptist distinctives. J. Frank Norris and G.B. Vick (along with others) withdrew from the Southern Baptist Convention and formed their own groups (Baptist Bible Fellowship and World Baptist Fellowship are the two main ones). They sought to unite "independent" Baptists under one umbrella.


Yes, man is always wanting to start his own movement, group, or such, if he can get enough people, churches, behind him, that gives him power, and along with power comes riches.Your right on Jesus' Churches having always being around, if they have not been, the the old devil succeed.

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Yes, man is always wanting to start his own movement, group, or such, if he can get enough people, churches, behind him, that gives him power, and along with power comes riches.Your right on Jesus' Churches having always being around, if they have not been, the the old devil succeed.


"Jesus' Churches", if we're talking about local New Testament churches, have gone by several names throughout history. Ana-Baptist, Baptist, Independent Baptist, etc. My church goes by the title of Independent Baptist, but under the heading it says "A Bible Believing Church".

Many Independent Baptist pastors are not, which would lead me to believe their congregations are not either. Titles are good to clarify things, but when people within that group start to stink it up there's nothing wrong with re-defining things.

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"Jesus' Churches", if we're talking about local New Testament churches, have gone by several names throughout history. Ana-Baptist, Baptist, Independent Baptist, etc. My church goes by the title of Independent Baptist, but under the heading it says "A Bible Believing Church".

Many Independent Baptist pastors are not, which would lead me to believe their congregations are not either. Titles are good to clarify things, but when people within that group start to stink it up there's nothing wrong with re-defining things.

That would be called separation,would it not? :thumb:

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That would be called separation,would it not? :thumb:


Yes, and separation would mean not identifying with that group any longer which may best be achieved by changing the man made label associated with it...........

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I was looking over the names of many IFB churches and noticed that most I looked at don't call themselves IFB in their church name and most didn't have anything about being IFB on their church sign either.

There sure are a lot of Calvary Baptist and Bible Baptist IFB churches out there!

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"Jesus' Churches", if we're talking about local New Testament churches, have gone by several names throughout history. Ana-Baptist, Baptist, Independent Baptist, etc. My church goes by the title of Independent Baptist, but under the heading it says "A Bible Believing Church".

Many Independent Baptist pastors are not, which would lead me to believe their congregations are not either. Titles are good to clarify things, but when people within that group start to stink it up there's nothing wrong with re-defining things.



Yes, Jesus' true churches have gone by several different names, and many of those names was given to them by their enemies, it was not names they put on their self.

The name Ana-Baptist is a very good example of that, they were given that name because they would not accept the baptizing of the false churches during their days, and anyone making a profession of faith, and wanting to become members of their churches had to submit to being scriptural baptized. I might add, them not accepting the baptizing of the false churches caused the false churches to hate and persecute them. Plus its quite easy to see where the name Baptist come from.

The name Independent and fundamentalist seems to have been a name they put on their self.

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I truly think a new name is needed, given our culture and how so far it is removed from Biblical truth...and continues to do so.  A name such as Baptist deals with history and doctrine, while independent suggests a lack of affiliation with a particular group (in theory at least).  But for the label "fundamental," what does this indicate?  It begs the question, "What are the 'fundamentals?'"  Let me suggest either "Biblicist" or "Foundationalist" which is a term that would indicate a slightly different take on "fundamental."  God's Word states:  "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?"  As we see foundations crumbling all around us, we must work to restore those foundations by bringing people to the bedrock foundation for all that Christians believe:  creation.  That is how God began His Word, and that foundational issue is key to the rest.  When people do not perceive how God is and how He relates to all of His creation, most importantly how He relates to mankind, we can and will be incorrect on everything else in His revelation.  Creation is the "Master's Key" that unlocks every "door" of God's perspective on every issue that we face in life.  There must needs be a group rise up like unto the men of Issachar in the Old Testament who have "understanding of the times" in which we live, and who are willing to take the necessary steps to make a greater impact upon this culture.  If changing to a new name will divert from confusion and bring one to more of a Biblical viewpoint, I am willing.  That is the very least we ought to be willing to do.

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http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/2011/01/07/westboro-protesters-overwhelmed-100-patriots

Maybe we need to become Patriot Baptist

Notice the pic was more of the biker types than real Americans. ( I was scooter trash at one time myself)

 

Excuse my ignorance, but why would anyone want to picket a funeral?

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I truly think a new name is needed, given our culture and how so far it is removed from Biblical truth...and continues to do so.  A name such as Baptist deals with history and doctrine, while independent suggests a lack of affiliation with a particular group (in theory at least).  But for the label "fundamental," what does this indicate?  It begs the question, "What are the 'fundamentals?'"  Let me suggest either "Biblicist" or "Foundationalist" which is a term that would indicate a slightly different take on "fundamental."  God's Word states:  "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?"  As we see foundations crumbling all around us, we must work to restore those foundations by bringing people to the bedrock foundation for all that Christians believe:  creation.  That is how God began His Word, and that foundational issue is key to the rest.  When people do not perceive how God is and how He relates to all of His creation, most importantly how He relates to mankind, we can and will be incorrect on everything else in His revelation.  Creation is the "Master's Key" that unlocks every "door" of God's perspective on every issue that we face in life.  There must needs be a group rise up like unto the men of Issachar in the Old Testament who have "understanding of the times" in which we live, and who are willing to take the necessary steps to make a greater impact upon this culture.  If changing to a new name will divert from confusion and bring one to more of a Biblical viewpoint, I am willing.  That is the very least we ought to be willing to do.

I like that name; ''foundationalist''. It's very Biblical  But even in a day when every ungodly country/western star, and every rotten televangelist calls himself a "Christian" that is no reason not to settle simply for that designation. Because the one simple, common denominator with the power to set the real meaning of the name "Christian" apart from this world is that we love one another. This is the "Spirit" Jesus meant when he met the woman of Samaria at the well when He said "in spirit and in truth". It's essential to be "Berean Christian" and to be foundational or ."fundamental" in our "truth" but there must also be the "spirit" of 1 John chapter 3, to really set apart the "men from the boys" . When "Truth" and "spirit" work together, it's very powerful.

 

Psalm 133

 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

2It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

3As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.

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for the sake of the conversaton, most already knowing my position, a term I could go with is "foundational". I had thought about renaming my church "Foundation Baptist Church". Also we could still be IFB. Another might be "Pillar and Ground Baptist", referring to the church being the house of God, the pillar and ground of the truth. "I am a PGB"

 

But generally I still don't see a reason to change.

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Right. Just because a Catholic baptizes, there is no need for us to stop.

A Baptist is a Baptist is a Baptist...

 

By the way, just key in IFB in your search engine and see the plethora if IFB's.

It's hilarious!

 

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Excuse my ignorance, but why would anyone want to picket a funeral?

 

Because they're Westboro Baptist - they are a family sect that makes their money off of lawsuits and love to tell the world that God hates them all. Basically they're wackos who give all IFBs a bad name.

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Because they're Westboro Baptist - they are a family sect that makes their money off of lawsuits and love to tell the world that God hates them all. Basically they're wackos who give all IFBs a bad name.

Oh joy, just found out Westboro is coming to our town this month to boycott a Charismatic church here.

 

 

And just last month I was telling a preacher that it's been a long quiet spell.

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Christian is also my prOBlem. I don't want to be called a christian because I know many who call themselves christian and i would never listen to, watch, wear, or go whre they do and i do not want others to lump me with them. I am a Biblisist.

Well, and herein is the issue. Christian is a proper biblical term, why would you cease from using that? Just because someone else who doesn't act like a Christian uses the term? Saint is a proper term, but the Catholics have soiled it; Fundamentalist is a good term, but now everything evil under the sun is called fundamentalist. Time and again, we run from proper terminology to describe ourselve, because someone says "Boo".

 

So the big question is, When will we cease letting the world and the wicked define us? When will we stop running and stand our ground and take back what is ours? The wicked took the rainbow, first by the new agers, then the gays; the satanists took the goat, which is described as one of the holy animals of God; They misuse proper words and terms and twist them, and we run to something else. When will we stop running? Yes, our faith is a race, but it doesn't mean to run from the battles. I say, its time we took back what is ours by the hand of God, and stop letting the world tell us what we can and can't be.

 

That'll preach, brethren!

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"Fundamentalist", "Missionary", "Sunday School" are good terms but not "Biblical" (not saying they are improper for a Christian) and therefore dispensable. "Christian", "Disciple", "Aged", "Holy Ghost", "Saint" are terms used in Scripture and should not be shied from.

 

"Fundamental" describes what kind of Christian you are, "Christian" defines who you belong to.

 

You can refuse to be called a "Fundamentalist" as a label without changing what you believe and without denying the Lord. You cannot refuse to be called Christian as a label without denying the Christ even though you don't change what you believe because you are denying the ownership.

 

:goodpost:  Nailed it, really.

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