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Mark 9:1 reads, And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." What was Jesus speaking of here?

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Not John, Moses' bones are here, John died at about 90 years of age, Christ was crucified, that leaves one. He has not died yet.

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Not John, Moses' bones are here, John died at about 90 years of age, Christ was crucified, that leaves one. He has not died yet.


I have to say that that is the first time I have ever heard that argument. I have heard of those who say that John did not die which of course isn't true, but never Moses.

The problem, though, is that Moses in fact did die. Jude 9 makes this clear. You even speak of his bones in your statement.

I renew my actual question: What was Jesus speaking of in Mark 9:1?

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Yes two translated Enoch and Elijah/Elias, Enoch walked with God, Elijah went to Heaven in a whirlwind (not a firey chariot) II Kings 2:1. Enoch was not at the Mount of Transfiguration. Elias/Elijah was.

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Yes two translated Enoch and Elijah/Elias, Enoch walked with God, Elijah went to Heaven in a whirlwind (not a firey chariot) II Kings 2:1. Enoch was not at the Mount of Transfiguration. Elias/Elijah was.


And yet neither of these two had anything to do with what Jesus said in Mark 9:1 since neither was standing their.

My question is actually more simple than that. I was speaking of the fact that Jesus was speaking of His kingdom, though perhaps it is a more interesting discussion to focus on the point that He said there were some standing there who would not taste of death till they saw that kingdom come with power.

You guys do present arguments I have never heard though. Again, I have heard of those who claim John did not die but never anyone using the fact that Elijah and Enoch did not die to explain Mark 9:1.

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But Jesus' statements in Mark 9:1 had nothing to do with anyone at the Transfiguration. You'll notice what Scripture says:

Mark 9:1-2
1. And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
2. And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

The Transfiguration took place six days after Jesus's words about "those standing there" not tasting death. You have to look back at chapter 8 to see where He was and to whom He was talking.

My opinion of the meaning/fulfillment of this text is that many of those people (mentioned in 8:34) were still alive when they saw "the kingdom of God come with power"...at Pentecost. We know that Peter was there, along with others who had followed Jesus on earth.

Edited by Annie

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As with other prophecies or parables He would make a statement and then later open the understand to His disciples later. They knew the account of Elijah and having met him on th Mount gave them the understanding of Jesus' statement. Jesus was confirming/reiterates Mal. 4:5.

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But Jesus' statements in Mark 9:1 had nothing to do with anyone at the Transfiguration. You'll notice what Scripture says:

Mark 9:1-2
1. And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
2. And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

The Transfiguration took place six days after Jesus's words about "those standing there" not tasting death. You have to look back at chapter 8 to see where He was and to whom He was talking.

My opinion of the meaning/fulfillment of this text is that many of those people (mentioned in 8:34) were still alive when they saw "the kingdom of God come with power"...at Pentecost. We know that Peter was there, along with others who had followed Jesus on earth.


Exactly!!!!! He was clearly speaking of His Kingdom coming on the Day of Pentecost.

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As with other prophecies or parables He would make a statement and then later open the understand to His disciples later. They knew the account of Elijah and having met him on th Mount gave them the understanding of Jesus' statement. Jesus was confirming/reiterates Mal. 4:5.

This interpretation does not shed light on Christ's words; rather, it renders them meaningless. He said, "there be SOME of them that stand HERE, which shall not taste of death, till THEY have seen the kingdom of God come with great power" (emphasis added). Jesus could not have been talking about Elias, since (1) Elias wasn't standing "HERE"--the place to which Jesus's words referred, and (2) because Elijah is just one person, and Jesus clearly said there would be more than one person who did not taste death. This statement does not fall into the category of parables which are presented at one point and explained later. Edited by Annie

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The prophesied Elijah (John the baptist) had died, though I do not believe John was a reincarnation of Elijah, rather, in the spirit & power.

I agree that Jesus is referring to Pentecost, where the Apostles were witnesses to the risen Christ, ascended to his throne.

Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Before you stress David's throne, note:
1Ch 29:23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.

Edited by Covenanter

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There have been soom good responses on this discussion.

Indeed Christ did make the statement that some standing there would not taste death until they saw the kingdom come. It indeed did come on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2). That kingdom is in fact the church (Matt 16:18-19).

It is interresting that there are those who continue to look for the kingdom to come despite the words of Christ.

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It is interresting that there are those who continue to look for the kingdom to come despite the words of Christ.

I think that these people have it in their minds that "the kingdom" means something else; therefore, they have to find a different interpretation of Christ's words. The question I have for these people is this: why can't "the kingdom" mean the arrival of the church age at Pentecost?

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I think that these people have it in their minds that "the kingdom" means something else; therefore, they have to find a different interpretation of Christ's words. The question I have for these people is this: why can't "the kingdom" mean the arrival of the church age at Pentecost?


Annie,

I am curious. From your post it seems that you believe that the kingdom is the church and that it has already come. Am I correct that you therefore do not believe that Christ is coming back to reign here on the earth for 1000 years?

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Annie,

I am curious. From your post it seems that you believe that the kingdom is the church and that it has already come. Am I correct that you therefore do not believe that Christ is coming back to reign here on the earth for 1000 years?

No, although I was raised a-mil, I am now a dispensationalist who believes in a pre-trib Rapture, followed by the 1000-year reign of Christ on earth. I'm not dogmatic, and understand various viewpoints on eschatology. I avoid getting swept up in "prophecy conference" type stuff...

I guess I'd say that the church is "the kingdom," but the fact that we are in the church age doesn't mean that "the kingdom" has been completed, or fully realized. The kingdom has "come," has begun being built. It will not be completed until the end of the world. Edited by Annie

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No, although I was raised a-mil, I am now a dispensationalist who believes in a pre-trib Rapture, followed by the 1000-year reign of Christ on earth. I'm not dogmatic, and understand various viewpoints on eschatology. I avoid getting swept up in "prophecy conference" type stuff...

I guess I'd say that the church is "the kingdom," but the fact that we are in the church age doesn't mean that "the kingdom" has been completed, or fully realized. The kingdom has "come," has begun being built. It will not be completed until the end of the world.


Ah, I am glad that you clarified your view for me. While I do not agree with you, I am glad to get to know your view.

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Mark 9:1 reads, And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." What was Jesus speaking of here?


They saw the kingdom of God with it's King via the transfiguration. The kingdom of God (millenial kingdom) was often pictured as a mountain in the OT. "The mountain of the Lord's house", the "holy hill", "cut out of a mountain without hands", "mountain of his holiness", etc . Moses represented the law and Elijah the prophets. Also, Moses could have represented those who enter the kingdom through death and Elijah represented those who entered the kingdom through translation (rapture). Therefore the disciples saw the kingdom of God in TYPE. Edited by Wilchbla

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They saw the kingdom of God with it's King via the transfiguration. The kingdom of God (millenial kingdom) was often pictured as a mountain in the OT. "The mountain of the Lord's house", the "holy hill", "cut out of a mountain without hands", "mountain of his holiness", etc . Moses represented the law and Elijah the prophets. Also, Moses could have represented those who enter the kingdom through death and Elijah represented those who entered the kingdom through translation (rapture). Therefore the disciples saw the kingdom of God in TYPE.


Isaiah 2:2-4 is not speaking of some "millenial kingdom," but is in fact talking about the 1 kingdom which Christ came to establish which He did in Acts 2. I suppose I need to read Mark 9:1 again....I missed Christ saying that they would see the kingdom in type; I just thought that He stated that they would see the kingdom come with power. Let's just get something clear...the transfiguration is not the fulfilment of Christ's statement.

You know what is interresting? Isaiah 2, Daniel 2, and Joel 2 are all fulfilled in Acts 2.

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