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Perhaps you're not aware of this statement BJU recently made about their official position on the issues you mentioned. The inter-ethnic dating policy was dropped years ago (in 2000, I think).

BJU is, for lack of a better term, non-denominational. They are not a church--just a Christian school. Here's the school creed, which the students recite daily in chapel:

"I believe in the inspiration of the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments; the creation of man by the direct act of God; the incarnation and virgin birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ; His identification as the Son of God; His vicarious atonement for the sins of mankind by the shedding of His blood on the cross; the resurrection of his body from the tomb; His power to save men from sin; the new birth through the regeneration by the Holy Spirit; and the gift of eternal life by the grace of God."

I do know that BJU espouses the "fundamentalist" label, and they're certainly "independent" and "Bible-believing." But they're not a Baptist institution.

Sorry to go off-topic again....I'll have a look at that Ruckman link that was posted.

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Although Bob Sr was KJB, his replacements have been flying the flag high for compromise ever since....no one I know in FIBC circles who still holds a "straight, tight no wobbling" position on doctrine or the KJB recommends it to anyone now. But then no one recommends Hyles or Dallas or PCC anymore either.

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I personally think they dropped it out of Political Correctness.


I really don't think they did, deafnva. If you look at the way BJU has always operated, you'll see that they're anything but politically correct. At times, they've actually gone too far the other way, IMO.

There are so many people who still feel that we should marry our own race.


Sure, and you're entitled to that opinion. I've never thought that way. Even though I attended BJU, I disagreed with the inter-ethnic dating ban (along with plenty of other things). I did receive a top-notch education there, which is why I went in the first place. I highly recommend the school, although certainly it's not for everyone. We'll probably send our kids there, if it's still standing strong in ten years.

Sorry...Still off topic...back to "what is a Ruckmanite"!!! I did read the Wikepedia page on Ruckman. It was interesting. I wonder if maybe Ruckman's experiences in the war had a lasting negative effect on him personally. He seems a bit daft to me.

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Personally' date=' I know of only a handful of colleges that teach the KJV is the INERRENT, INSPIRED, WORDS of God. Maybe... um... 4 colleges.[/quote']
Yeah, I don't know all of the ones which are KJVO, either. Obviously, Hyles-Anderson and PCC are. I'm pretty sure that West Coast, Crown, Trinity, and Ambassador are as well. But that's just off the top of my head. No doubt there are others.

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Ruckman holds many peculiar doctrines and has a proud, cultic attitude that he alone has truths that no one else in church history has known

In bragging up his book The Salient Verses, Mr. Ruckman makes these comments: "If you are able to obtain a copy [of Ruckman's proposed new book] you will have, in your hands, a minimum of 200 advanced revelations that came from the inerrant English text, that were completely overlooked (or ignored) by every major Christian scholar since 90 A.D. This would include all of the modern Bible revisers (1800-1999), all of the faculty members and staffs of every major 'Fundamental' (Conservative and Evangelical) seminary, university, and college in Europe and America since 1500, and every Greek and Hebrew scholar (or teacher) since 1611. ... Actually, if a Bible believer has this work he will have the accumulated knowledge of Cornelius Stam and Ethelbert Bullinger ... Clarence Larkin and C.I. Scofield, Ewing, Osborne, Tilton, and PTL ... Pember, Peters, Gaebelein, Pentecost, Lindsey, Kirban, Rockwood, Webber, and Van Impe ... plus the Puritans, Reformers, major evangelists (Moody, Sunday, Finney, Torrey, Wesley, etc.) and all that ANY Greek and Hebrew scholar ... ever found out--that was SO--in the last 200 years" (Peter Ruckman, Bible Believers' Bulletin, Jan. 1994, pp. 2,4).

In The Unknown Bible, Ruckman claims to hold to 14 "biblical truths" which all other Bible teachers have overlooked. On page 347, Ruckman modestly claims: "Do you realize that in these last two chapters, you have learned a dozen things that were unknown to the greatest Bible teachers in the world? In 2000 years of church history, they haven't even been able to find the passage which dealt with these things we have been talking about."

Some of Ruckman's long-overlooked "biblical truths" include the following:

(1) Angels are thirty-three year old males without wings; and all women in the Church Age will receive thirty-three year old male bodies at the Rapture.

(2) The plan of salvation for Tribulation saints is faith plus works and the plan of salvation in the Millennium is works alone.

(3) When the believer is born again, his soul is literally cut loose from the inside of his fleshly body. (Ruckman takes spiritual circumcision very literally!)

(4) Demons are winged creatures ranging in size from those of flies and mosquitoes to eagles and vultures.

(5) Sexual unions constitute marriage in God's sight.

(6) The soul is an invisible bodily shape. "The problem is the word 'soul,' but since there isn't one pre-millennial, soul-winning, fundamentalist who knows what a soul is (see the entire library of books published by Eerdmans, Baker, Zondervan, and the Sword of the Lord before 1970) ... The soul in the Bible is an invisible BODILY SHAPE. In the Old Testament, the soul is almost synonymous with the body, for it is STUCK TO IT till death" (Ruckman, Problem Texts, p. 145).

(7) The flood mentioned in 2 Peter 3 is not Noah's flood but is one that supposedly occurred at the judgment of the earth, when Satan was cast out of Heaven. He admits that no other Bible teacher has held this view: "Now who could get a message so simple all muddled up? Answer: Every major fundamental Bible scholar and teacher in the United States, without one exception. If you were to ask Henry Morris what the verses refer to he'd say Noah's flood: ditto Harry Rimmer, Clarence Larkin, J. Vernon McGee, Swindle (sic), MacArthur, Bob Jones III ... the Scofield Board of Editors" (Ruckman, The Unknown Bible, p. 67).

(8) "God has ordained on this earth 12 boundaries, with 12 nations, who are destined to leave this earth (transported by angels--Luke 16:22), and populate outer space infinitely and forever, beginning with the 12 constellations that are seen on the earth once every 12 months" (The Unknown Bible, p. 588).

(9) "In eternity, the Christian is in New Jerusalem; he is in his apartment house that is made out of transparent gold, like clear glass. ... He is called out on trips, and these trips take him to Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Uranus, etc. transporting couples into gardens placing them down and saying, 'be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth'" (Ibid., p. 592).

(10) "I know they [demons] have to be small. ... there's two little animals that have wings. One's a fly and the other's a mosquito. Know what these things are? They're pictures of demons. THE THINGS HAVE WINGS" (Ruckman, Demons and Christians, Bible Baptist Bookstore, 1976, side 1).

Some Ruckmanites have challenged me to refute the Ruckman doctrines we have cited. I don't have to refute them; they are self refuting for the simple fact that they have no biblical authority, just as Rome's dogmas of purgatory and the ascension of Mary are self refuting. Why should we have to refute nonsense? The Bible instructs us to avoid the foolish and unlearned questions of heretics (2 Tim. 2:23; Titus 3:9-11), and Ruckman's new doctrines certainly fall into this category.

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I was first called a "Ruckmanite" several years ago by some Pentecostal Christians. I thought that it was b/c I take a stand on the KJVO Bible. I was ignorant as to what the word contained. :frog I didn't know that Ruckman was such an famous/infamous name until I met Christians (IFB's and like-minded faiths) on OLB. Then, I asked at my IFB church and got some answers. Although, I must say, that many people in my IFB church (over 3 1/2 years now) don't even know who Ruckman is. LOL.

I would like to say that I am a Bible-believer. I am IFB...but, I prefer to be called a "Follower of Jesus Christ."

Being a former-school teacher, I don't really care for labels, but I understand why people use them. God bless all Christians. :smile

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Ruckman holds many peculiar doctrines and has a proud, cultic attitude that he alone has truths that no one else in church history has known

In bragging up his book The Salient Verses, Mr. Ruckman makes these comments: "If you are able to obtain a copy [of Ruckman's proposed new book] you will have, in your hands, a minimum of 200 advanced revelations that came from the inerrant English text, that were completely overlooked (or ignored) by every major Christian scholar since 90 A.D. This would include all of the modern Bible revisers (1800-1999), all of the faculty members and staffs of every major 'Fundamental' (Conservative and Evangelical) seminary, university, and college in Europe and America since 1500, and every Greek and Hebrew scholar (or teacher) since 1611. ... Actually, if a Bible believer has this work he will have the accumulated knowledge of Cornelius Stam and Ethelbert Bullinger ... Clarence Larkin and C.I. Scofield, Ewing, Osborne, Tilton, and PTL ... Pember, Peters, Gaebelein, Pentecost, Lindsey, Kirban, Rockwood, Webber, and Van Impe ... plus the Puritans, Reformers, major evangelists (Moody, Sunday, Finney, Torrey, Wesley, etc.) and all that ANY Greek and Hebrew scholar ... ever found out--that was SO--in the last 200 years" (Peter Ruckman, Bible Believers' Bulletin, Jan. 1994, pp. 2,4).

In The Unknown Bible, Ruckman claims to hold to 14 "biblical truths" which all other Bible teachers have overlooked. On page 347, Ruckman modestly claims: "Do you realize that in these last two chapters, you have learned a dozen things that were unknown to the greatest Bible teachers in the world? In 2000 years of church history, they haven't even been able to find the passage which dealt with these things we have been talking about."

Some of Ruckman's long-overlooked "biblical truths" include the following:

(1) Angels are thirty-three year old males without wings; and all women in the Church Age will receive thirty-three year old male bodies at the Rapture.

(2) The plan of salvation for Tribulation saints is faith plus works and the plan of salvation in the Millennium is works alone.

(3) When the believer is born again, his soul is literally cut loose from the inside of his fleshly body. (Ruckman takes spiritual circumcision very literally!)

(4) Demons are winged creatures ranging in size from those of flies and mosquitoes to eagles and vultures.

(5) Sexual unions constitute marriage in God's sight.

(6) The soul is an invisible bodily shape. "The problem is the word 'soul,' but since there isn't one pre-millennial, soul-winning, fundamentalist who knows what a soul is (see the entire library of books published by Eerdmans, Baker, Zondervan, and the Sword of the Lord before 1970) ... The soul in the Bible is an invisible BODILY SHAPE. In the Old Testament, the soul is almost synonymous with the body, for it is STUCK TO IT till death" (Ruckman, Problem Texts, p. 145).

(7) The flood mentioned in 2 Peter 3 is not Noah's flood but is one that supposedly occurred at the judgment of the earth, when Satan was cast out of Heaven. He admits that no other Bible teacher has held this view: "Now who could get a message so simple all muddled up? Answer: Every major fundamental Bible scholar and teacher in the United States, without one exception. If you were to ask Henry Morris what the verses refer to he'd say Noah's flood: ditto Harry Rimmer, Clarence Larkin, J. Vernon McGee, Swindle (sic), MacArthur, Bob Jones III ... the Scofield Board of Editors" (Ruckman, The Unknown Bible, p. 67).

(8) "God has ordained on this earth 12 boundaries, with 12 nations, who are destined to leave this earth (transported by angels--Luke 16:22), and populate outer space infinitely and forever, beginning with the 12 constellations that are seen on the earth once every 12 months" (The Unknown Bible, p. 588).

(9) "In eternity, the Christian is in New Jerusalem; he is in his apartment house that is made out of transparent gold, like clear glass. ... He is called out on trips, and these trips take him to Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Uranus, etc. transporting couples into gardens placing them down and saying, 'be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth'" (Ibid., p. 592).

(10) "I know they [demons] have to be small. ... there's two little animals that have wings. One's a fly and the other's a mosquito. Know what these things are? They're pictures of demons. THE THINGS HAVE WINGS" (Ruckman, Demons and Christians, Bible Baptist Bookstore, 1976, side 1).

Some Ruckmanites have challenged me to refute the Ruckman doctrines we have cited. I don't have to refute them; they are self refuting for the simple fact that they have no biblical authority, just as Rome's dogmas of purgatory and the ascension of Mary are self refuting. Why should we have to refute nonsense? The Bible instructs us to avoid the foolish and unlearned questions of heretics (2 Tim. 2:23; Titus 3:9-11), and Ruckman's new doctrines certainly fall into this category.


And to think, many Baptist defend this fellow and claim to be his followers. Does that prove many Baptist don't know the Bible nor rightly care what the Bible really teaches?

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And to think' date=' many Baptist defend this fellow and claim to be his followers. Does that prove many Baptist don't know the Bible nor rightly care what the Bible really teaches?[/quote']

Nope, it proves that they believe just as earnestly that what they preach, study and pray over is the truth.....the same as we each believe for ourselves!

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Ah, but a sincere searcher believes he knows the truth while an agnostic believes no one can know the truth. I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I've committed against that day......................

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That sounds agnostic right there. I assume you are not but it sounds that way.


You must have missed the last part, you know..........I know whom I have believed.........

You are right, I am NOT an agnostic! :clap:

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The problem is, many chose to believe a lie, that's right, they CHOSE to believe a lie.

1 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the LORD unto Bethel: and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense.

2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.

3 And he gave a sign the same day, saying, This is the sign which the LORD hath spoken; Behold, the altar shall be rent, and the ashes that are upon it shall be poured out.

4 And it came to pass, when king Jeroboam heard the saying of the man of God, which had cried against the altar in Bethel, that he put forth his hand from the altar, saying, Lay hold on him. And his hand, which he put forth against him, dried up, so that he could not pull it in again to him.

5 The altar also was rent, and the ashes poured out from the altar, according to the sign which the man of God had given by the word of the LORD.

6 And the king answered and said unto the man of God, Intreat now the face of the LORD thy God, and pray for me, that my hand may be restored me again. And the man of God besought the LORD, and the king's hand was restored him again, and became as it was before.

7 And the king said unto the man of God, Come home with me, and refresh thyself, and I will give thee a reward.

8 And the man of God said unto the king, If thou wilt give me half thine house, I will not go in with thee, neither will I eat bread nor drink water in this place:

9 For so was it charged me by the word of the LORD, saying, Eat no bread, nor drink water, nor turn again by the same way that thou camest.

10 So he went another way, and returned not by the way that he came to Bethel.

11 Now there dwelt an old prophet in Bethel; and his sons came and told him all the works that the man of God had done that day in Bethel: the words which he had spoken unto the king, them they told also to their father.

12 And their father said unto them, What way went he? For his sons had seen what way the man of God went, which came from Judah.

13 And he said unto his sons, Saddle me the ass. So they saddled him the ass: and he rode thereon,

14 And went after the man of God, and found him sitting under an oak: and he said unto him, Art thou the man of God that camest from Judah? And he said, I am.

15 Then he said unto him, Come home with me, and eat bread.

16 And he said, I may not return with thee, nor go in with thee: neither will I eat bread nor drink water with thee in this place:

17 For it was said to me by the word of the LORD, Thou shalt eat no bread nor drink water there, nor turn again to go by the way that thou camest.

18 He said unto him, I am a prophet also as thou art; and an angel spake unto me by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and drink water. But he lied unto him.

19 So he went back with him, and did eat bread in his house, and drank water.

20 And it came to pass, as they sat at the table, that the word of the LORD came unto the prophet that brought him back:

21 And he cried unto the man of God that came from Judah, saying, Thus saith the LORD, Forasmuch as thou hast disobeyed the mouth of the LORD, and hast not kept the commandment which the LORD thy God commanded thee,

22 But camest back, and hast eaten bread and drunk water in the place, of the which the LORD did say to thee, Eat no bread, and drink no water; thy carcase shall not come unto the sepulchre of thy fathers.

slain by a lion

23 And it came to pass, after he had eaten bread, and after he had drunk, that he saddled for him the ass, to wit, for the prophet whom he had brought back.

24 And when he was gone, a lion met him by the way, and slew him: and his carcase was cast in the way, and the ass stood by it, the lion also stood by the carcase.

25 And, behold, men passed by, and saw the carcase cast in the way, and the lion standing by the carcase: and they came and told it in the city where the old prophet dwelt.

26 And when the prophet that brought him back from the way heard thereof, he said, It is the man of God, who was disobedient unto the word of the LORD: therefore the LORD hath delivered him unto the lion, which hath torn him, and slain him, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake unto him.

27 And he spake to his sons, saying, Saddle me the ass. And they saddled him.

28 And he went and found his carcase cast in the way, and the ass and the lion standing by the carcase: the lion had not eaten the carcase, nor torn the ass.

29 And the prophet took up the carcase of the man of God, and laid it upon the ass, and brought it back: and the old prophet came to the city, to mourn and to bury him.

30 And he laid his carcase in his own grave; and they mourned over him, saying, Alas, my brother!

31 And it came to pass, after he had buried him, that he spake to his sons, saying, When I am dead, then bury me in the sepulchre wherein the man of God is buried; lay my bones beside his bones:

32 For the saying which he cried by the word of the LORD against the altar in Bethel, and against all the houses of the high places which are in the cities of Samaria, shall surely come to pass.

33 After this thing Jeroboam returned not from his evil way, but made again of the lowest of the people priests of the high places: whosoever would, he consecrated him, and he became one of the priests of the high places.

34 And this thing became sin unto the house of Jeroboam, even to cut it off, and to destroy it from off the face of the earth.

1 Kings 13:1-34 (KJV)

Yes, this man of God out of Judah had God's very word, God had told him, 8 "And the man of God said unto the king, If thou wilt give me half thine house, I will not go in with thee, neither will I eat bread nor drink water in this place," Even thought God had told him this, he chose to believe the old prophet, the same thing it true for many today, for instants, those who chose to follow Ruckman.

We to have God's very Word, The Holy Bible, but yet many will follow people who do not teach its truths, so it seems they care not for God's truths. Its a dangerous thing to do. it cost this man of God out of Judah his very life.

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There is a time and place for what you say' date=' but all of us are not in that position, but there are many who needs to be warned about the false teachers in this world.[/quote']

True. The New Testament is filled with examples of the Apostles warning others of false teachers, those who fell away, etc. Consider the writings of Paul and John; for example.

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Take it up with Ruckman if you do not agree with him or if you are not brave enough to confront him then pray for him if you don't agree with him.
Scripture teaches us if we have ought against someone that we should go to them and pray for them.


Why does it seem you are a little angry here? Jerry was not attacking Ruckman. He simply made it very clear that we should be careful about those who teach things that are contrary to the Word of God. Besides, do you honestly believe that Ruckman would take the time to listen to someone who didn't follow and believe his teachings? The purpose of the thread (from what I can tell) was not "confront Ruckman" and his followers (though it would seem we have one here), it was about educating people on who Ruckman is and what makes someone his follower. One view on Ruckman just happens to be that he is a false teacher and that should be brought out as it is one of the first things you hear about when you hear about Ruckman. All views should be posted to allow those wanting to learn more about him a broader scope to view him in.

Lastly, how do you know that those who disagree with Ruckman and his followers aren't/don't pray for him/them? I'll be the first to tell you that my brother is a drugatic, alchoholic, fool. But I will also be the first to pray for him too. Just my :2cents

God Bless,

Futurehope

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Why does it seem you are a little angry here? Jerry was not attacking Ruckman. He simply made it very clear that we should be careful about those who teach things that are contrary to the Word of God. Besides, do you honestly believe that Ruckman would take the time to listen to someone who didn't follow and believe his teachings? The purpose of the thread (from what I can tell) was not "confront Ruckman" and his followers (though it would seem we have one here), it was about educating people on who Ruckman is and what makes someone his follower. One view on Ruckman just happens to be that he is a false teacher and that should be brought out as it is one of the first things you hear about when you hear about Ruckman. All views should be posted to allow those wanting to learn more about him a broader scope to view him in.

Lastly, how do you know that those who disagree with Ruckman and his followers aren't/don't pray for him/them? I'll be the first to tell you that my brother is a drugatic, alchoholic, fool. But I will also be the first to pray for him too. Just my :2cents

God Bless,

Futurehope


We have been through this on this board so many times. I am not happy about it because most people who are talking and they have not even directly challenged the alleged false teaching. So they are going completely on heresay and not on first hand fact. I guess what I am saying is there is a whole lot of branding and very little admonishing.

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We have been through this on this board so many times. I am not happy about it because most people who are talking and they have not even directly challenged the alleged false teaching. So they are going completely on heresay and not on first hand fact. I guess what I am saying is there is a whole lot of branding and very little admonishing.


I con obviously see that the book "The Shack" (chose this because it is somewhat of a current topic) is full of heresy, but I haven't chose to confront the author about it (I can reasonably assume that he would just argue), but rather, to warn others about his heresy and blasphemy. I think that is the same with the people on this board that disagree with Ruckman's teachings. They want to warn other's before they are entangled in the mess themselves.

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