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While I do disagree with him, I think there is a small nugget of truth in some of what he says about that people who make a lot of money for themselves should be applauded. There seems to be this idea that people who have a lot of money must have done something unethical. Especially someone like Bill Gates who created a product or service that people are willing to pay for.

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While I do disagree with him, I think there is a small nugget of truth in some of what he says about that people who make a lot of money for themselves should be applauded. There seems to be this idea that people who have a lot of money must have done something unethical. Especially someone like Bill Gates who created a product or service that people are willing to pay for.


Many who have made a lot of money have poured their heart and soul and all their time into acquiring their wealth. Not all, but many. When they have, is that a good thing?

"For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
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Many who have made a lot of money have poured their heart and soul and all their time into acquiring their wealth. Not all, but many. When they have, is that a good thing?

"For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."


Many have given much of it away to charity, the church and the better of their fellow man.
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Many have given much of it away to charity, the church and the better of their fellow man.


Far more have used it to further wickedness and have used wicked means to gain their wealth.

In any case, we as Christians must face such according to the Word of God.
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Many have given much of it away to charity, the church and the better of their fellow man.


True--in fact Bill Gates himself is very charitable. So how would that verse apply to them? And then there's my earlier question: if someone has poured their heart and soul into their money and their career, is that a good thing? And by that I mean, is it a good thing for them?

These are open questions. :-)
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True--in fact Bill Gates himself is very charitable. So how would that verse apply to them? And then there's my earlier question: if someone has poured their heart and soul into their money and their career, is that a good thing? And by that I mean, is it a good thing for them?

These are open questions. :-)


How much of Bill Gates money is used to reach the lost for Christ and expand the Kingdom of God?
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Far more have used it to further wickedness and have used wicked means to gain their wealth.

In any case, we as Christians must face such according to the Word of God.


I totally agree that the Christian must be doing according to God's Word and Holy Spirit. Additionally, I am not adequate to decide which person is using their money out of the proper motive and for the proper purposes as I am not privy to their heart, nor their bank statement. Thus, why do I even need to worry about those other people. It is sufficient that I concern myself with me and mine.
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That doesn't mean that it's not being used for worthy causes that help people. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation does some wonderful work.


Actually, it does. What profit it anyone if they gain the whole world but lose their soul? If I provide food and water for a million people a year yet I don't present them with the Gospel I've done them no good.
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Actually, it does. What profit it anyone if they gain the whole world but lose their soul? If I provide food and water for a million people a year yet I don't present them with the Gospel I've done them no good.


Not true. You've done them good, just not the ultimate good. Perhaps by providing for their physical needs you've opened a door to share the gospel with them. Might make a little more sense than telling a bunch of starving people that what they really need to do is concentrate on their spiritual needs, right? Maslow's hierarchy, my friend.
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Bill Gates ethical? Do you know of the past business practices of Microsoft? They have done some very dirty things to make Gates his money. Then they give a very small percentage of money to charity, which is a nice tax write off, and pat themselves on the back. A real man will donate money but not have his name attached to it. Also, I agree, giving food, water, clothing and copies of Windows XP to people does them a disservice if there is no gospel given. That is pure liberal theology which now goes under names such as emergent.

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Not true. You've done them good, just not the ultimate good. Perhaps by providing for their physical needs you've opened a door to share the gospel with them. Might make a little more sense than telling a bunch of starving people that what they really need to do is concentrate on their spiritual needs, right? Maslow's hierarchy, my friend.


You've changed the scenario. If someone is feeding the poor and sharing the Gospel with them that's a wonderful, blessed thing. If someone is simply feeding them without presenting the Gospel they are doing them no good. It matters not if we eat good meals everyday before we die or if we go hungry every day before we die, if our destination is hell.
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You've changed the scenario. If someone is feeding the poor and sharing the Gospel with them that's a wonderful, blessed thing. If someone is simply feeding them without presenting the Gospel they are doing them no good. It matters not if we eat good meals everyday before we die or if we go hungry every day before we die, if our destination is hell.


Maybe I am misunderstanding here, but here I go. The act of feeding and clothing the needy in and of itself is always good. The motives behind the act do not change the goodness of the act. By feeding and clothing the poor you are doing them good. The goodness of the act does not change because the Gospel is not shared. While feeding and clothing them will only do momentarily good, telling them the Gospel will do eternally good.
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You've changed the scenario. If someone is feeding the poor and sharing the Gospel with them that's a wonderful, blessed thing. If someone is simply feeding them without presenting the Gospel they are doing them no good. It matters not if we eat good meals everyday before we die or if we go hungry every day before we die, if our destination is hell.



Apples/Oranges: If a lost man gives food and water, they won't give the gospel -- but, they've kept a life intact that a Christian might reach (in person, by tract, on radio).

If a Christian gives food and water and no gospel, they are placing a higher priority on a life than on a soul (not to say ignore the physical need [living people get saved, dead ones do not]), but don't ignore the spiritual.

If you wait for a lost man to give food and water without recognition (just to do the Biblical thing), don't hold your breath. Edited by OLD fashioned
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