Judge gives the green light for same-sex marriage in California

[JerryNumbers]

Judge gives the green light for same-sex marriage in California

One man, a judge, over rules the the people of California, which makes our government by the people for the people none existence. To much power, authority, for one man to over rule the popular vote of the people California.

[John81]

Those who created the original government proclaimed that it would only work for a moral, Christian people. America is no longer a moral, Christian nation. This is why we see America going ever faster away from God and embracing wickedness and taking pleasure in flaunting their wickedness.

God will not tolerate such or let it go unpunished.

[777]

I'm afraid you're right, John and Jerry - this is unbelievable to think one homosexual judge can undermine seven million people. I think SCOTUS is going to reverse this ruling before all's said and done, but it should've never occured in the first place. This country could really use some prayers right now, many of them.

[irishman]

There is a very good sermon on the sermon page about Democracy and the validity of it. We are supposed to be a "Republic". Take time to read it, it gives a historical, and accurate account of why a Democracy cannot long exist. While you're there, read the others also, very good sermon page, and remember to thank Bro. Matt for providing it on the forum.

The author is DoctorDaveT, and he has two of them. They are both good, but the one in which I refer to is "Causes of a Natural fall of Greatness." Check it out, I think it will be a real eye-opener for some.

Brought to you by the letter "T".

Edited August 13, 2010 by irishman

[Kubel]

I'm afraid you're right, John and Jerry - this is unbelievable to think one homosexual judge can undermine seven million people. I think SCOTUS is going to reverse this ruling before all's said and done, but it should've never occured in the first place. This country could really use some prayers right now, many of them.

I would hate to step in here and disagree (since it implies that I'm supportive of gay marriage, which I am not), but this is a Republic with 3 branches of government for a reason. If this were a democracy, where the majority rules, the minority would have its rights trod upon. Having a judge that can step in and essentially nullify the will of the majority in favor of protecting the constitutional rights of the minority (regardless of whether we agree religiously with the subject matter or not) is a fundamental safeguard that is actually a good thing.

Here's my view on gay marriage: First, get the government out of "marriage". Marriage is "religious" (for example, we believe God unites man and woman in marriage), and any attempt to define it or regulate it by our government is unconstitutional. Second, get the government into enforcing contracts, including the contract of voluntary civil unions. We need a 100% secular, non-religious, contract-enforced "partnership" for tax and legal purposes.

[John81]

I would hate to step in here and disagree (since it implies that I'm supportive of gay marriage, which I am not), but this is a Republic with 3 branches of government for a reason. If this were a democracy, where the majority rules, the minority would have its rights trod upon. Having a judge that can step in and essentially nullify the will of the majority in favor of protecting the constitutional rights of the minority (regardless of whether we agree religiously with the subject matter or not) is a fundamental safeguard that is actually a good thing.

Here's my view on gay marriage: First, get the government out of "marriage". Marriage is "religious" (for example, we believe God unites man and woman in marriage), and any attempt to define it or regulate it by our government is unconstitutional. Second, get the government into enforcing contracts, including the contract of voluntary civil unions. We need a 100% secular, non-religious, contract-enforced "partnership" for tax and legal purposes.

First you need to go back to the beginning. This country used to be a federated republic, it no longer is.

Also, the actions of judges today was not their original role and neither the legislative nor the executive branch would have put up with such.

[JerryNumbers]

The government does not want out of our life's, nor out of our marriages, they want to rule everything in our life no matter what it is, and in the state too, just as there is hardly any state rights left.

And you believe its a great thing for one man to over rule the popular vote, amazing. One day a president will be elected by the people, one judge with step in and say, you elected the wrong one, I over rule your vote, Mr. Who I Want To be President, will now be Mr. President.

[ptwild]

The government does not want out of our life's, nor out of our marriages, they want to rule everything in our life no matter what it is, and in the state too, just as there is hardly any state rights left.

And you believe its a great thing for one man to over rule the popular vote, amazing. One day a president will be elected by the people, one judge with step in and say, you elected the wrong one, I over rule your vote, Mr. Who I Want To be President, will now be Mr. President.

Are you kidding me? One day? Need I remind you of the presidential election of 2000 and a little case known as Bush v. Gore? If the majority is allowed to rule we will be nothing more than a horrid bunch devouring ourselves in our own ignorance. Are you honestly suggesting that just because the majority of people want it, it should be? You just need to look reality in the eyes and see that most people in this country have no idea what is good for themselves, much less the rest of us.

[John81]

Are you kidding me? One day? Need I remind you of the presidential election of 2000 and a little case known as Bush v. Gore? If the majority is allowed to rule we will be nothing more than a horrid bunch devouring ourselves in our own ignorance. Are you honestly suggesting that just because the majority of people want it, it should be? You just need to look reality in the eyes and see that most people in this country have no idea what is good for themselves, much less the rest of us.

This is the reason the Founders restricted voting priviledges (and yes, voting was viewed as a priviledge, not a right). We no longer live under such a system, it has been moved more toward democarcy, which the founders declared was the worst form of government.

What Jerry is saying is true. If the people have a vote and then a judge can come along and declare their vote doesn't matter, then we have moved into the realm of judicial oligarchy. That's not a matter of whether or not the majority vote was right or wrong, but about whether their vote, which according to the rules is supposed to count, really does count or not.

If a judge can overrule the rule of law then he is the one with the real power, not the voters.

[ptwild]

This is the reason the Founders restricted voting priviledges (and yes, voting was viewed as a priviledge, not a right). We no longer live under such a system, it has been moved more toward democarcy, which the founders declared was the worst form of government.

What Jerry is saying is true. If the people have a vote and then a judge can come along and declare their vote doesn't matter, then we have moved into the realm of judicial oligarchy. That's not a matter of whether or not the majority vote was right or wrong, but about whether their vote, which according to the rules is supposed to count, really does count or not.

If a judge can overrule the rule of law then he is the one with the real power, not the voters.

This is for the best. We all need to forget about the way things were or the way they are supposed to be. The leaders are in place for the best of our society. Let them do their jOB. We all have a role to play, and roles not to play. The ones in charge know what is best.

[Kubel]

@Jerry

How can you possibly believe democracy is an acceptable form of government? Under democracy, it's possible for the majority to tread upon someones rights. If society continues to degrade to the point where the majority decides it's best to ban Baptists from assembling, would you think that's ok?

Democracy, like socialism, leads to the destruction of liberty- because what's best for the majority outweighs individual freedom. Unfortunately, this battle won't go away until the conservatives stop making government define something that it has no business being involved in to begin with.

[John81]

This is for the best. We all need to forget about the way things were or the way they are supposed to be. The leaders are in place for the best of our society. Let them do their jOB. We all have a role to play, and roles not to play. The ones in charge know what is best.

A judge isn't supposed to be a leader. It's OBvious the leaders in this country are not there for the best of our society, unless you believe a totally ungodly society is best. They are not doing their jOBs as defined by the laws set forth.

It's good to know you have so much faith in the perfection of leaders. Perhaps we should all reconsider histories judgement upon Hitler, Stalin and a few others.