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My point here, folks, is not trashing divorced ppl...its to say NO PASTOR OR DEACON CAN BE DIVORCED. Period.

Everyone else can do what they like. :-)

Sorry HC for saying that about your church, I had no right to do that.

I will bow out of this discussion now...agreeing to disagree with certain points. :th_tiphat:


And I do agree that no pastor or deacon should continue in their office once divorced.

Feel free to pm me....

BroRick: I wouldn't go to counsel for marriage prOBlems to anyone who has been divorced - no matter the age. Call me cuckoo if you want, but I wouldn't. I never said a young man would know more about marriage...and, at 50 years of age, I likely wouldn't go to a young man simply because I've lived longer. Fortunately, I am married to a godly man and we have never needed to go for counseling.

You know, I agree that women are influenced by trashy novels and t.v. and that can lead them to cheat on their husbands. But that is where the man has to be the head of the home. We have never owned a t.v., so it was never a possibility of a prOBlem, but if we did have a t.v., I can guarantee my husband wouldn't allow me to watch soaps even if I were so inclined. And I am a voracious reader...but no trashy romance allowed in our home! If I bring in a book that has a questionable cover, it goes out quickly (no matter the content)...so I don't get books with questionable covers. In other words, I am selective about what I read, and I can honestly say it is most likely due to my husband.

I know serial polygamy is not an idea supported by scripture: God says a pastor is to be the husband of one wife...not one at a time.

No, I don't believe that a man who has been divorced can be a pastor. "husband of one wife" is enough scripture for me. Disqualified is disqualified. I don't see any where in the list where someone can be requalified.

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Actually I personally see nowhere in Scripture where a person is encouraged to remarry after any situation except the death of a spouse. On the contrary, there is quite a bit of evidence that remarriage after ANY divorce is adultery.

It happens all the time and I understand that...but that's why God specifically limits Pastors and Deacons to being undivorced men.


Exactly!
You hit the nail on the head!
AMEN, Sis!

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And I do agree that no pastor or deacon should continue in their office once divorced.

Feel free to pm me....

BroRick: I wouldn't go to counsel for marriage prOBlems to anyone who has been divorced - no matter the age. Call me cuckoo if you want, but I wouldn't. I never said a young man would know more about marriage...and, at 50 years of age, I likely wouldn't go to a young man simply because I've lived longer. Fortunately, I am married to a godly man and we have never needed to go for counseling.

You know, I agree that women are influenced by trashy novels and t.v. and that can lead them to cheat on their husbands. But that is where the man has to be the head of the home. We have never owned a t.v., so it was never a possibility of a prOBlem, but if we did have a t.v., I can guarantee my husband wouldn't allow me to watch soaps even if I were so inclined. And I am a voracious reader...but no trashy romance allowed in our home! If I bring in a book that has a questionable cover, it goes out quickly (no matter the content)...so I don't get books with questionable covers. In other words, I am selective about what I read, and I can honestly say it is most likely due to my husband.

I know serial polygamy is not an idea supported by scripture: God says a pastor is to be the husband of one wife...not one at a time.

No, I don't believe that a man who has been divorced can be a pastor. "husband of one wife" is enough scripture for me. Disqualified is disqualified. I don't see any where in the list where someone can be requalified.


Sis, I'm glad to see the strong stand!
Praise the LORD!
AMEN!

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Wondering how many of you have heard the sermon where PR is preaching that abortion is not murder?

I don't care to call out people by name, but seriously, that is beyond the pale. The reason certain people are continually mentioned on threads like these is that these people have information available wherever we go on the web. If Joe Smith from my town USA preaches inaccurately and no one but the people of his church are exposed to it, there would be little value in starting the Joe Smith thread here.

For me, Peter Ruckman is someone who was likely well-intentioned, but did not do well when it came to certain Biblical issues. His divorces, his testimony among the community in which he lived are not things that affect my view. (Although you should know that I am COMPLETELY against a pastor or deacon serving in those positions having had a divorce whether pre or post salvation, whether willingly or unwillingly. Period. End of Sentence.) His divorces are something his church overlooked and his teachings about divorce are the very things that enabled them to overlook the divorces. I did not live in Pensacola, so his testimony did not impact me. However, his teachings came into my home via media. His concept of correcting the TR with the use of the KJ (which came in part from TR) makes not a lick of sense. It defies logic. His claim that certain Bible colleges who did not want his materials at their schools were criminals (that is his exact word, not my characterization) exemplifies a contentiousness that I don't look upon too fondly. (I don't like it when we get into name calling. I can have my own view, I can base it upon Scripture, but I don't need to be ugly about you because you don't agree, even if you may be wrong! :biggrin: ) Here's a quote from his paper, and he has named certain Bible colleges as criminals in the previous sentence (I didn't quote back that far in the article to avoid getting the conversation off track through the defense of either party), Jan 2004:
A criminal (if he can get
away with it) will always remove all evidence of his crime from the “scene” of the crime: Waco, Texas for a prime example.

It is always a mistake for someone to view a person and to validate a person by their works. It is always a mistake to try to justify everything they say as correct. Peter Ruckman might have done many more things for Christ than me. He might be a better person than me. However, based upon Scripture, he is incorrect on issues of pastoral authority, abortion and the Bible. JMHO, so take it or leave it. :coolsmiley:

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Wondering how many of you have heard the sermon where PR is preaching that abortion is not murder?

I don't care to call out people by name, but seriously, that is beyond the pale. The reason certain people are continually mentioned on threads like these is that these people have information available wherever we go on the web. If Joe Smith from my town USA preaches inaccurately and no one but the people of his church are exposed to it, there would be little value in starting the Joe Smith thread here.

For me, Peter Ruckman is someone who was likely well-intentioned, but did not do well when it came to certain Biblical issues. His divorces, his testimony among the community in which he lived are not things that affect my view. (Although you should know that I am COMPLETELY against a pastor or deacon serving in those positions having had a divorce whether pre or post salvation, whether willingly or unwillingly. Period. End of Sentence.) His divorces are something his church overlooked and his teachings about divorce are the very things that enabled them to overlook the divorces. I did not live in Pensacola, so his testimony did not impact me. However, his teachings came into my home via media. His concept of correcting the TR with the use of the KJ (which came in part from TR) makes not a lick of sense. It defies logic. His claim that certain Bible colleges who did not want his materials at their schools were criminals (that is his exact word, not my characterization) exemplifies a contentiousness that I don't look upon too fondly. (I don't like it when when get into name calling. I can have my own view, I can base it upon Scripture, but I don't need to be ugly about it. Here's a quote from his paper, and he has named certain Bible colleges as criminals in the previous sentence, Jan 2004:
A criminal (if he can get
away with it) will always remove all evidence of his crime from the “scene” of the crime: Waco, Texas for a prime example.

It is always a mistake for someone to view a person and to validate a person by their works. It is always a mistake to try to justify everything they say as correct. Peter Ruckman might have done many more things for Christ than me. He might be a better person than me. However, based upon Scripture, he is incorrect on issues of pastoral authority, abortion and the Bible. JMHO, so take it or leave it. :coolsmiley:


AMEN!
Excellent post! I couldn't have said it better, myself! No, I personally haven't heard the message of which you speak, but it sounds like him. BTW, what's "beyond the pale" mean? I've never seen that one.

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beyond the pale - It means an action that is regarded as outside the limits of acceptable behavior, which is unacceptable or improper. That's the short version. If you want a long explanation of its origin etc, I provide this link: beyond the pale

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BTW, what's "beyond the pale" mean? I've never seen that one.

Basically outside the bounds of good behaviour. I copied a very wordy explanation for you:

It means an action that is regarded as outside the limits of acceptable behaviour, which is unacceptable or improper. A classic example is in The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens, dated 1837: “I look upon you, sir, as a man who has placed himself beyond the pale of society, by his most audacious, disgraceful, and abominable public conduct”. The earliest example known is from A Compleat History of Rogues of 1720.

That word pale has nothing to do with the adjective for something light in colour except that both come from Latin roots. The one referring to colour is from the Latin verb pallere, to be pale, whilst our one is from palus, a stake.

A pale is an old name for a pointed stake driven into the ground and — by an OBvious-enough extension — to a barrier made of such stakes, a fence (our modern word pole is from the same source, as are impale and paling).



For a fuller explanation: http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-pal2.htm

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OK, HC, you posted while I posted and we both gave the same long link. 2 funny! :clapping:

Either great minds think alike or great googlers link alike!

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OK, HC, you posted while I posted and we both gave the same long link. 2 funny! :clapping:

Either great minds think alike or great googlers link alike!


You may choose to think the former, however, I choose the latter! Heh heh!

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Why, great minds, of course, 4ever!!! :icon_mrgreen::thumb:


LOL Y'all know I'm just cuttin' up, right?
Had to ask, 'cause some people are sooooooooooo sensitive!
Y'all cary on, while Jess and I, are at Prayer Meetin'!

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LOL Y'all know I'm just cuttin' up, right?
Had to ask, 'cause some people are sooooooooooo sensitive!
Y'all cary on, while Jess and I, are at Prayer Meetin'!

Of course we know you are teasing as it is OBvious that we are great minds!!! :clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

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LOL Y'all know I'm just cuttin' up, right?
Had to ask, 'cause some people are sooooooooooo sensitive!
Y'all cary on, while Jess and I, are at Prayer Meetin'!


And some people don't know when to quit!

Have a great time at prayer meeting, brother! B)

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And some people don't know when to quit!

Have a great time at prayer meeting, brother! B)


The LORD gave us a good service tonight, in His house! It was kinda sad, in a way, 'cause we're loosing a family. A preacher out of our church, is taking a church up in NC and tonight was their last service. He preached and we gave them some money to help with expences. We're gonna mis them, but our pastor says, this is a good way to loose them! He laughingly said, he now has another vacation spot! They start at their new church, this LORD's day! We'll all keep in touch with them and Jess and I'll email them pictures of DaMaris Joy, after she makes her grand entrance!!!

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In case y'all are interested, I'll be heading out to Bible study in about an hour. :icon_mrgreen:


I was the only one that showed up! Don't know what happened to the others who are typically there or the ones who show on occasion. It's possible there was a miscommunication with regards to the days we won't meet during the next couple of weeks.

Since it was just myself and the associate pastor we discussed a variety of things for about 45 minutes. Very good fellowship and we covered some great topics. Then we called an early end. That gave me some "free time" so I went and visited my daughter and grandchildren before returning home.

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Sorry everyone didn't come. Glad it didn't discourage you!


The associate pastor and I had a great time of discussing various biblical issues so it was time well spent.

No Wednesday night Bible study for two weeks now. Next week our associate pastor will be gone with a group doing missions work in another state. The following week our associate pastor is on vacation.

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I was the only one that showed up! Don't know what happened to the others who are typically there or the ones who show on occasion. It's possible there was a miscommunication with regards to the days we won't meet during the next couple of weeks.

Since it was just myself and the associate pastor we discussed a variety of things for about 45 minutes. Very good fellowship and we covered some great topics. Then we called an early end. That gave me some "free time" so I went and visited my daughter and grandchildren before returning home.


Well now! Bless your heart!
Glad you had a good fellowship time and were able to see the family!

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