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Ah, but Bro. Rick, when you say bad tree and liken PR's ministry to that, insinuating that everything is okay...there is no credence given to God! One time in Bible college, some students (myself included) were discussing several things with one of our professors (easily the godliest of all of them, imo then and still today). He made a comment that aptly fits PR's ministry (and others who are disqualified - he is by no means the only one): "God doesn't always bless because of; many times he blesses in spite of."

I am familiar with much of PR's teachings. I attended college near PBI, and knew some students from the college. Now, I know that every college has wacko students, so at the time, that's what I put it down to. But fast forward a few years, to a different state and I meet a pastor who believed the SAME things...also learned from PR! My husband was affected by those teachings as well.

I would not say that I agree with PR on any of his teachings. What I would say is that, where he is Biblical, I can agree with him because it's Bible. I can agree with anyone who is right on the Bible! And I understand your reluctance to "stab" at preachers. I don't think that's what this thread does, though. Paul said to mark those who cause divisions...and PR does. NOT because he is so scriptural, but because he is a brawler (and because of some of his teachings).

I personally am glad that your pastor has allowed God to lead him - and that your dad did, too. That is testimony to God's grace. :clapping: Just as it is in any of our lives.

(BTW - Saul was a king, anointed by God to be king. Pastors are not kings...)



I really appreciate your post, I found it to be very balanced and reasoned. I'm sorry to hear anyone get hurt by wacko college students, or wacko pastors that have (as my pastor puts it) "man-of-God-itis".

I see your point about God's blessing, and I'm certainly glad that He does bless many times in spite of us. Certainly that applies in the case of Dr. Ruckman, and from all the preaching and teaching I've heard from him - he'd be the first to agree with you.

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I aplaud the church, for taking a stand! It's not easy dropping any missionary, I don't care where they came from! Praise the LORD, for the stand this church has taken! How wicked Dr. Ruckman's atitude is! The very Bible he says he believes, condemns him!


Last weekend I was preaching in South Jersey and on Saturday night the pastor had me over for dinner. We were talking when he started telling me that they had some missionaries they supported that were sent out by Ruckman's mission board. The missionaries were supported before this pastor came. The pastor wanted to know what these missionaries believed, so he sent them a questioner with a few Ruckamn things on it like what do you believe about advanced revelation, abortion, aliens, double inspiration, and etc.

To make a long story short, the church ended up dropping one of the missionaries support because the answer was "I will follow Ruckman to the day I die". I thought that was a strange answer, but I guess that is the mentality of these type of men.

When this church drops supports of missionaries over doctrine they send a letter to the missionary, sending church, and mission board. Since the mission board in this case is Ruckman the letter got on his desk.

The short letter to Ruckman read something like this:


That was all the letter stated, and they mailed it out to Ruckman

When the pastor got the letter back he opened it and noticed that Ruckman drew a few self sketches of himself on the envelope. Ruckman then hand wrote his answer on the same letter that was sent to him. This is exactly what Ruckman wrote and then signed.

"Don't forget to change your diaper at the Judgment seat of Christ"

Needless to say, the church then knew they made the right decision in dropping the missionary.

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He mock's it now, but, he'll stand before God, just like everyone else!


I laughed too when I was reading it.

With that response I guess Ruckman has too high opinion of himself. The part that did bother me the most was that Ruckman was mocking the Judgement seat of Christ.

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Why listen to a man who refuses to OBey a simple truth, and continues to pastor a New Testament Church even though he is completely disqualified according the Word of God. If he will not OBey that simple truth, will he OBey any truths?

He has been divorced two times and married three times and still in the pulpit.

WHAT ABOUT PETER RUCKMAN?


WHAT IS RUCKMANISM
?


Beware of Peter Ruckman


A person can find lots of information about this man on the net, along with many good reasons not to support nor listen to him.


I didn't mean to jump this far ahead in the thread, but, since I'm here, right on, Brother! BTW, you and I know, the answer to your question about the truths found in the word of God, is, a resounding NO,!
I wouldn't walk two steps to listen to anything he has to say!

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I mean come on, get real, look in the Bible for the qualifications for a New Testament pastor.

1Ti 3:1 ¶ This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sOBer, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Tit 1:6 ¶ If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Tit 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
Tit 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sOBer, just, holy, temperate;
Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

The verses you posted are great verse, yet they have nothing whatsoever to do with the qualification for pastor, yet the verses above has everything to do with them. You need to use verses in context, that is divide the truth properly.


2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Clearly, Peter Ruckman does not meet the qualifications given in the Bible for being a pastor of a New testament Church.



AMEN! He shouldn't even try to put his little toe in a pulpit! The man's not qualified, at all! I'm even talkin' 'bout more than the marriage issue, here!

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Many people try and justify more than one marriage and say it's okay to pastor if one has been married and divorced...because, after all, he's only married to one woman presently. They say that the verse saying "husband of one wife" is referring to polygamy. But that actually wasn't a prOBlem in the day it was written, so that's truly a non-argument.

And, to boot, it appears that even the secular world understands what marriage-divorce-remarriage is. They call it serial polygamy. More than one wife, just not all at the same time.

As to KJVO and heresy...if someone who claims to be a Christian, regardless of what version they use, is consistently ignoring the principles and commands in God's Word, they should be marked for warning. I know a KJVO pastor (he's passed away now) who tried to kill someone. He said he was doing the work of God: trying to strangle a young man who simply told him God was moving that young man. We would all say, "Horrors! That man is disqualified!" But to point out that PR's serial polygamy is grounds for disqualification is wrong. Hmmmm. (BTW - lest you doubt the story of the strangling, I was there. It took 4 people to pull him off the young man.)


Excellent post!
Whew, what a story! BTW, don't care if the one you mentioned is dead or not, but, both are disqualified, as far as I'm concerned!

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AMEN! He shouldn't even try to put his little toe in a pulpit! The man's not qualified, at all! I'm even talkin' 'bout more than the marriage issue, here!



Right, He is wrong on many issues. But a good Baptist ought to know the qualifications for being a pastor of one of Jesus' New Testament Churches.

It grieves me at the number of Baptist that seem to think that they can ignore the qualifications given in the Bible and let men fill the position of pastor who do not meet them. I wonder if they are ignorant of the Bible, don't care, are they just letting the old devil blind them to God's truths? Those who are this way usually get quite smarty about the issue.

I know of a few Baptist pastors who once believed a divorced man could not hold the position of pastor, yet when they divorce they changed their beliefs on this issue.

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Take a chill pill, Rick! I've never heard Tim Lahaye called a false prophet, but he sure was wrong when he included Mother Theresa in the rapture in his Left Behind series.

I've seen many ruined from some of the stuff PR teaches. My own husband was almost victim to some of it before we met. Calling a spade a spade is right to do. I'm sorry if you're offended by it, truly.

I don't agree with comparing him to Hitler - but I think the comparison was more that anyone can have followers.

No-one's getting into PR's church: but we have every right to show his disqualifications to warn people. As to the HUGE prOBlem with his tongue: doesn't God have an awful lot to say about our tongues?


Right on, Sis!

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rick, sorry if my remark offended you, it was as Happy Chrisitan said, a reference to any nut having a following. perhaps I should have said even dogs run in packs! (oops! There I go again!)

Charles Manson? well. ok, I will shut up, but I will not quit warning people about him, or John MacArthur (as in another post!) PR is much more subtle than those I named anyway, he simply poisons minds, and not destroys bodies.


How true! Don't stop warning! Keep it up!
Keep standing for the oldtime way!

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Its one thing to be fair but God has set down specific rules about pastors, and about doctrine. Leaders are held to a higher level of responsibility and accountability.


You better believe it! unfortunately, most don't!

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I've gt a prOBlem with it, and I will express it, if you've got a prOBlem with it, perhaps this is not the place for you.

As a pastor called by God, not you, He called me to expose sin. And its quite clear, he does not meet the qualifications to be a pastor of a New Testament Church.

1Ti 3:1 ¶ This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sOBer, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
1Ti 3:8 ¶ Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
1Ti 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
1Ti 3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
1Ti 3:11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sOBer, faithful in all things.
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Now if you disagree with that fine, but do not tell others what they can or cannot do on this board, you have not that authority.





AMEN, Brother Jerry!

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Right, He is wrong on many issues. But a good Baptist ought to know the qualifications for being a pastor of one of Jesus' New Testament Churches.

It grieves me at the number of Baptist that seem to think that they can ignore the qualifications given in the Bible and let men fill the position of pastor who do not meet them. I wonder if they are ignorant of the Bible, don't care, are they just letting the old devil blind them to God's truths? Those who are this way usually get quite smarty about the issue.

I know of a few Baptist pastors who once believed a divorced man could not hold the position of pastor, yet when they divorce they changed their beliefs on this issue.


Brother Jerry, I agree with you! I took a stand on this issue and easy believism, some years ago and it cost me, but I don't regret it, at all! All I was saying is, most preachers today, if they really looked at all the qualifications, would have to say, they aren't qualified to preach God's word! I'm not downplaying it a bit, but, more than the marriage issue, is at stake, here!
Keep standing!

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Your right, and many churches play very loosely with the pastor qualifications by calling pastors that do not meet ALL of the qualifications.

I figure God place ALL of the qualifications in there to be used. Besides the Bible says only those who love Me will keep my commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

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Your right, and many churches play very loosely with the pastor qualifications by calling pastors that do not meet ALL of the qualifications.

I figure God place ALL of the qualifications in there to be used. Besides the Bible says only those who love Me will keep my commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.


Right on, Brother! AMEN!

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Our pastor's middle son goes to Peter Ruckman's church in Pensecola, FL. We asked our pastor what he thought of Peter Ruckman...his answer was interesting. He (our pastor) said "A twelve year old is more capable of presenting the Gospel than Peter Ruckman" (His words, not mine.) I don't care for Peter Ruckman...one of the main reasons is his mouth and his attitude towards those who dare disagree with him....people like David Cloud. It's unconscionable, IMO.

Mark (our pastor's son) was visiting us one day...my husband was helping him with his laptop computer....at that time we were unaware that he attended PR's church. I don't remember how PR's name came up in our conversation, but I did say that I didn't care for PR and Mark said "He's my pastor". I replied, after my jaw fell down on the floor...I don't care if he's your pastor, I still don't like him! That was the end of that conversation.

I have run into some "die hard" followers of PR and those "die hard" followers are just as arrogant as they can be...similar to a Calvinist who tells you that you are either a Pelagian or an Arminian if you aren't a Calvinist. I'm not saying that all followers of PR are arrogant, but the ones I've had the "pleasure" of encountering (mainly on the internet) are arrogant, IMO.

That's my :twocents:

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The only ones I have ever met who followed PR has been on the net, it seems if you disagree with PR, they instantly become arrogant. I figure it has rubbed off on to them from PR.

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Our pastor's middle son goes to Peter Ruckman's church in Pensecola, FL. We asked our pastor what he thought of Peter Ruckman...his answer was interesting. He (our pastor) said "A twelve year old is more capable of presenting the Gospel than Peter Ruckman" (His words, not mine.) I don't care for Peter Ruckman...one of the main reasons is his mouth and his attitude towards those who dare disagree with him....people like David Cloud. It's unconscionable, IMO.

Mark (our pastor's son) was visiting us one day...my husband was helping him with his laptop computer....at that time we were unaware that he attended PR's church. I don't remember how PR's name came up in our conversation, but I did say that I didn't care for PR and Mark said "He's my pastor". I replied, after my jaw fell down on the floor...I don't care if he's your pastor, I still don't like him! That was the end of that conversation.

I have run into some "die hard" followers of PR and those "die hard" followers are just as arrogant as they can be...similar to a Calvinist who tells you that you are either a Pelagian or an Arminian if you aren't a Calvinist. I'm not saying that all followers of PR are arrogant, but the ones I've had the "pleasure" of encountering (mainly on the internet) are arrogant, IMO.

That's my :twocents:


AMEN, Sis!
Another thing, he's DISQUALIFIED FROM PREACHING!!!

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The only ones I have ever met who followed PR has been on the net, it seems if you disagree with PR, they instantly become arrogant. I figure it has rubbed off on to them from PR.


That's about the size of it!

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Peter Ruckman has done more to promote so-called "KJVonlyism" than just about any other man dead or alive. This is the reason many professing Christians hate his guts. His harsh methods have been explained by him on many occasions. His stated reason for his "vulgarity and brutishness" is because nOBody would listen to the men who went before him who took a stand on the bible translation issue. Because they were too kind, polite and respectable they were dismissed off hand with a yawn and a door slammed in their face. So he decided it was time to take a different route. Like he has said (to paraphrase him), "while men like David Otis Fuller, who came to the front door with a bouquet of flowers, their hard combed nicely and fingernails nice and clean had the door slammed in their faces he came through the cellar window in army fatiques and face paint carrying handgranades." And it has worked indeed. God knows how much this man has done for the furtherance of the word of God i.e. the KJV even though apparently nOBody in here does (or they do but are to scared to admit it for fear of disdain from other memembers). Many in this forum hate his guts simply because David Cloud hates his guts.Period. Also, perhaps some of you folks should listen to some of his preaching sermons before you dismiss him as not being able to handle the gospel any better than a 12 year old. It's always interesting how much slamming of Dr Ruckman goes on from Christians who gotten all their info second hand. It's also ironic that their is a thread complaining of the arrogance of "Ruckmanites" when you have a thread that is now approaching 400 posts bashing their leader.

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Peter Ruckman has done more to promote so-called "KJVonlyism" than just about any other man dead or alive. This is the reason many professing Christians hate his guts. His harsh methods have been explained by him on many occasions. His stated reason for his "vulgarity and brutishness" is because nOBody would listen to the men who went before him who took a stand on the bible translation issue. Because they were too kind, polite and respectable they were dismissed off hand with a yawn and a door slammed in their face. So he decided it was time to take a different route. Like he has said (to paraphrase him), "while men like David Otis Fuller, who came to the front door with a bouquet of flowers, their hard combed nicely and fingernails nice and clean had the door slammed in their faces he came through the cellar window in army fatiques and face paint carrying handgranades." And it has worked indeed. God knows how much this man has done for the furtherance of the word of God i.e. the KJV even though apparently nOBody in here does (or they do but are to scared to admit it for fear of disdain from other memembers). Many in this forum hate his guts simply because David Cloud hates his guts.Period. Also, perhaps some of you folks should listen to some of his preaching sermons before you dismiss him as not being able to handle the gospel any better than a 12 year old. It's always interesting how much slamming of Dr Ruckman goes on from Christians who gotten all their info second hand. It's also ironic that their is a thread complaining of the arrogance of "Ruckmanites" when you have a thread that is now approaching 400 posts bashing their leader.



Poor excuse, seems most have one, its not becoming to him to offer up excuses. It would be more becoming to ask of forgiveness.

Actually there is no excuse for a man of God to use vulgarity.

I think that is the only defense he has against those who show him for what he is.



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Peter Ruckman has done more to promote so-called "KJVonlyism" than just about any other man dead or alive. This is the reason many professing Christians hate his guts. His harsh methods have been explained by him on many occasions. His stated reason for his "vulgarity and brutishness" is because nOBody would listen to the men who went before him who took a stand on the bible translation issue. Because they were too kind, polite and respectable they were dismissed off hand with a yawn and a door slammed in their face. So he decided it was time to take a different route. Like he has said (to paraphrase him), "while men like David Otis Fuller, who came to the front door with a bouquet of flowers, their hard combed nicely and fingernails nice and clean had the door slammed in their faces he came through the cellar window in army fatiques and face paint carrying handgranades." And it has worked indeed. God knows how much this man has done for the furtherance of the word of God i.e. the KJV even though apparently nOBody in here does (or they do but are to scared to admit it for fear of disdain from other memembers). Many in this forum hate his guts simply because David Cloud hates his guts.Period. Also, perhaps some of you folks should listen to some of his preaching sermons before you dismiss him as not being able to handle the gospel any better than a 12 year old. It's always interesting how much slamming of Dr Ruckman goes on from Christians who gotten all their info second hand. It's also ironic that their is a thread complaining of the arrogance of "Ruckmanites" when you have a thread that is now approaching 400 posts bashing their leader.



For one thing PR is not acting according to scripture, no matter what the excuse. the Holy Spirit opens men's hearts and eyes to the Lord and His Word, not Peter Ruckman! People don't always listen to every one, but that is no excuse to arrogantly castigate them and make yourself of non effect for it! He is doin just the opposite if whaat he supposedly hoped to accomplish.


as for your statement that "Peter Ruckman has done more to promote so-called "KJVonlyism" than just about any other man dead or alive." that is not true. You yourself admitted that their were men before him that touted the KJB only. Some say "Billy Graham has done more for Chritianity than any other man in our times" and look at his testimony! He used to preach with John R. Rice until he went liberal!

Qualifications are set by the Lord, and not by us! It is his duty to meet them if he feels called to preach. Perhaps God broke his own rules, knowing the life of PR that was laid out before Him like a blanket? How can you excuse blatant, ourioght defiance of God's Word? i do not understand.

By the way, He gets his own thread because of the nuts that are still duped by his methods. a serious heretic takes drastic efforts to expose, and that is what many are trying to do. Personally I think there ought to be one for John MacArthur too!

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Not to hijack anything here, but when people talk about John MacArthur are they speaking of Sr. or Jr. or both?

Regarding Ruckman, I'd never heard of him until online. Some folks have provided links and I've read some of his stuff and listened to some of his sermons. From what I can understand Ruckman was among the first who took a stand for the KJB but he certainly wouldn't rank as the one who has done the most for the KJB. In fact, in his later years he's done damage to the KJO ranks due to his unscriptural, unChristlike manner and attitude.

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