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Look, this could develop into a big argument and I'm not going to argue. I've had major prOBlems with wrong teachings coming from PBI, my husband has and others have. If you want to continue to hold him up high, that's fine. He is a man, and a man who, I believe, has too high an opinion of himself. The quote in the OP is indicative of that.

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He is a man, and a man who, I believe, has too high an opinion of himself. The quote in the OP is indicative of that.


You're prOBably right about that one, he has a lot of faults.

I just believing in being fair to people. I'm glad God is merciful and is still willing to use people that are flawed.
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Its one thing to be fair but God has set down specific rules about pastors, and about doctrine. Leaders are held to a higher level of responsibility and accountability.

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Its one thing to be fair but God has set down specific rules about pastors, and about doctrine. Leaders are held to a higher level of responsibility and accountability.


Agreed, I just don't like it when everything the man has ever done is automatically dismissed, for whatever reason. I wouldn't be a member of his church, for reasons you prOBably wouldn't think of, but I'm not about to slam everything he's ever done.

David did a lot of good things in his life for the Lord, but he also did a lot of wicked things. God still used him, and God has used Dr. Ruckman many times. It doesn't mean I'd want to be a member of his church, but I don't think it's right to slam him like people do - just like I don't think it's right for Dr. Ruckman to slam people a lot of times in the way he does.
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Perhaps a kinder approach to the subject would help. We can present our cases, pro or con, regarding Ruckman or any other without using inflammatory terms, insults, exagerations, etc.

What little I've read of Ruckman I know he has some oddities. I know that whether he is qualified as pastor because of his divorces depends upon what one believes "husband of one wife" means (some say one wife only, ever; some say one wife at a time; some say one wife until death do they part and then they may remarry and still be viewed as the "husband of one wife"; etc.) but on the positive side, from what I've read Ruckman was one of the leaders in early KJO movement and effective in this area.

As for MacArthur, I believe there are two (Sr. and Jr.) and I suppose most refer to the elder when speaking of MacArthur, but I could be wrong. I know very little of this man. I've read a few quotes of his in books or postings and none of those were unbiblical. I read one book by MacArthur which came with a bundle of books I bought at a yard sale some years ago and I didn't encounter any unbiblical teachings in that book. All that said, this man could have some bad books, he could hold to some bad teachings, he could have led some astray and I wouldn't know about it.

Since the NIV was mentioned with the ascertion that those who use such are washed up, I'll just say I know some very devout men of God who use the NIV and they and the church they attend is far from being washed up. They are by far walking more in the Spirit and about the Father's business than even the vast majority of Baptist churches around them.

This is not to say I favor or endorse the NIV. In point of fact, I find the NIV to be one of the poorest versions I've read. For myself, I was unable to get spiritual meat from the NIV and I don't understand how others can, and do, but the evidence is clear that they are. With all that said, I would certainly agree that most who use the NIV are of the watered down variety; at least that's my experience.

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I have NEVER spoke of Dr. Ruckman the way he speaks of others (and yes I've heard him preach once...)...he is rude, and crude, and mean. And I don't consider myself that...at least not most of the time. haha. Certainly my husband is NEVER EVER that way in the pulpit. Its not of God.

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It seems that Ruckman is getting stranger and stranger with some things that he is "finding" in the Bible. I think maybe he did do some good things for fundamentalism in the beginning of his ministry, but what he has been preaching in the last few years or so is harming fundamentalism.

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It seems that Ruckman is getting stranger and stranger with some things that he is "finding" in the Bible. I think maybe he did do some good things for fundamentalism in the beginning of his ministry, but what he has been preaching in the last few years or so is harming fundamentalism.


Even from the limited amount I know of Ruckman I'd have to agree with this!
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He's not, David Otis Fuller is.

My point is, the new Bible versions began to infiltrate IFB churches back in the mid 60s, and it was Dr. Ruckman that was leading the fight against it.

If you don't believe me, ask Gail Riplinger, author of New Age Bible Versions,or Dr. Bill Grady, author of Final Authority, or Dr. Sam Gipp, author of An Understandable History of the Bible.



i have read two of the three books you mentioned, and nowhere do they so much a mention PR as far as I can remember. Yes, he stood, but he didn't necessary "lead the way" for all KJB believers, Many colleges were teaching the truth all along.
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It seems that Ruckman is getting stranger and stranger with some things that he is "finding" in the Bible. I think maybe he did do some good things for fundamentalism in the beginning of his ministry, but what he has been preaching in the last few years or so is harming fundamentalism.


I don't know what he's up to now. I would agree he has his fair share of weird teachings, and they get weirder the older he gets. I'm certainly not a "Ruckmanite," because there are plenty of things I don't like about him, enough to where I wouldn't be a member of his church. I try to take a balanced view of him.

It's really sad how he's shot himself in the foot so much throughout his life, with his talent and brains he could have done a lot more for God. His doctrine, by and large, is right on. He just spends so much time slamming people I can't ever recommend his stuff. Or course, there's no way I can recommend stuff by guys who are Bible correctors either. Ruckman's PrOBlem Texts book is excellent for dealing with supposed contradictions in the KJV. Other than that one, I can't recommend any of his other stuff that I can think of off the top of my head.
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Ah yes - Wikipedia, Hitler analogies, and everyone's got a story.

You know, I find myself defending people all the time. Take for instance, Tim LaHaye. He's popular, so a lot of IFBers think he must be a false prophet. Or he corrects the Bible once every 400 pages, so everything he does is trash.

Dr. Ruckman is weird, and he has a HUGE prOBlem with his tongue - that's where it ends. If you have a prOBlem with him being a pastor because of his marriages, then in all charity please shut your mouth and stay out of his church, and that goes for anyone who is a pastor anywhere. If you think he shouldn't be pastor, that's fine, Saul was disqualified from being king in Israel two years into his reign but God continued to keep in that position for another 40 years, and it would have been wrong for David to kill him when he could have.

As far as the fruit of his ministry, if you go to a King James Bible believing church you should thank God for Dr. Ruckman, because he was the lead dog in the fight defending the King James against Bible correcting scholarship. Without him and the battles he was involved in during the 60s and 70s, many more churches today would be washed up NIV churches. The polemic stand he took for the KJV sent Bible correctors reeling during that time and changed the IFB movement for the better. There are a lot of "big guns" that are King James today as a result of Dr. Ruckman, not the least of which would be Gail Riplinger, Jack Hyles (although he died), Bill Grady, and of course Sam Gipp.

There are a lot of really good men in the ministry as a result of Dr. Ruckman, including my pastor, who's been pastoring the same church for the last 25 years and been married to the same woman his entire life. Our church is a New Testament soul winning church that regularly gives over 500k a year to missions. We have several missionaries of our own on the field, and having grown up in this church I'm KJVO.

Thank you Dr. Ruckman, for training my pastor.


I've gt a prOBlem with it, and I will express it, if you've got a prOBlem with it, perhaps this is not the place for you.

As a pastor called by God, not you, He called me to expose sin. And its quite clear, he does not meet the qualifications to be a pastor of a New Testament Church.

1Ti 3:1 ¶ This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sOBer, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
1Ti 3:8 ¶ Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
1Ti 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
1Ti 3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
1Ti 3:11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sOBer, faithful in all things.
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Now if you disagree with that fine, but do not tell others what they can or cannot do on this board, you have not that authority.


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Now if you disagree with that fine, but do not tell others what they can or cannot do on this board, you have not that authority.



It was never my intention to tell others what they can or can not do on this board. I would not presume to do anything of the kind.

I making a point that I very much respect the office of a bishop, and if I don't agree with someone being a pastor I don't join his church. I don't, however, go out of my way to slam someone who is a pastor of another church, whether I think he is qualified or not. When Dr. Ruckman does it, I believe it is wrong. When people do it to Dr. Ruckman, I believe that is wrong as well.

As I said, I wouldn't be a member of Dr. Ruckman's church - put two and two together. I will not, however, go around slamming Dr. Ruckman, or any other KJVO pastor on the other side of the country.
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The Bible tells us to name and reject Heretics, which Dr. Ruckman is. There are many examples in Scripture where Christ or one of the Apostles named names.

Peter Ruckman's position on the KJV is heretical. We cannot forget the numerous other Scriptural errors he spews out of his mouth, the fact that he is no longer qualified to be a pastor. King Saul is a poor example as he was a King, not a pastor.

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The Bible tells us to name and reject Heretics, which Dr. Ruckman is. There are many examples in Scripture where Christ or one of the Apostles named names.

Peter Ruckman's position on the KJV is heretical. We cannot forget the numerous other Scriptural errors he spews out of his mouth, the fact that he is no longer qualified to be a pastor. King Saul is a poor example as he was a King, not a pastor.



Looks like you're pretty quick on the "h" word.

What is so heritical about his stand on the KJB? That he teaches the KJB is the pure word of God for the English speaking people, preserved according to Ps. 12:6-7?

There are six marks of a heretic, he doesn't meet any of them:

1. Wrong on the final authority issue.
2. Wrong on escatology.
3. Wrong on signs and wonders.
4. Wrong on eternal security.
5. Wrong on baptism.
6. Wrong on the Godhead.

If you want to say he isn't qualified to be a pastor, fine, be my guest. But his doctrine is sound, though he may have a few odd ideas, it is sound.

Show me where it's not. Edited by Rick Schworer
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Looks like you're pretty quick on the "h" word.

What is so heritical about his stand on the KJB? That he teaches the KJB is the pure word of God for the English speaking people, preserved according to Ps. 12:6-7?

There are 5 marks of a heretic, he doesn't meet any of them:

1. Wrong on the final authority issue.
2. Wrong on escatology.
3. Wrong on signs and wonders.
4. Wrong on eternal security.
5. Wrong on baptism.

If you want to say he isn't qualified to be a pastor, fine, be my guest. But his doctrine is sound, though he may have a few odd ideas, it is sound.

Show me where it's not.


He's right on escatology and signs and wonders??? Really?

And PastorJ didn't say he was disqualified. God did. In the KJV 1611 as a matter of fact.
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He's right on escatology and signs and wonders??? Really?


He's premillennial and he teaches that the Apostolic signs and wonders are not for the church age saint.

Do you disagree?
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He's premillennial and he teaches that the Apostolic signs and wonders are not for the church age saint.

Do you disagree?


Well of course I'm gonna believe some of the things he believes...that doesn't make him someone I should regularly listen to or follow.

I mean, just because Sarah Palin is anti abortion doesn't mean she's the kind of person I'd make my pastor...I mean...really, just because the Bible says women shouldn't be pastors, its okay because she's Sarah Palin and she says she's a Christian and she's anti abortion and she believes many things just like I believe...but even though she's not qualified to preach doesn't make her a bad person, right? And I can still sit under her godly teaching, right?
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He's premillennial and he teaches that the Apostolic signs and wonders are not for the church age saint.

Do you disagree?


He is disqualified from holding the position of pastor in a New Testament Church, he is not the husband of one wife, he has more than one wife, so he refuses to OBey God.
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