County Gov't Trying To Close Home Bible Studies...

[Bakershalfdozen]

San Diego County, CA is trying to stop home Bible studies:

http://www.10news.com/news/19562217/detail.html

[Wilchbla]

I just don't see how anyone would want to live out in California other than deep family roots. Even that for me wouldn't keep me.

[deputydog530]

Only if the Lord called me there.

AFA is doing a national petition. Christians better do something, we are giving our freedom away every day.

[trc123]

Upon reading the first paragraph it crossed my mind they must be doing this because the home Bible study was being used as a cover for some sort of "swingers party" or something of that sort. I know they've had this happen in the near past.

As one reads through the rest of the story, it becomes apparent that isn't the issue at all and they are very over regulating and over interpreting the definition of a church (to include a building) which would then call into place fire codes, emergency egress.....etc.

They have obviously gone way overboard and there needs to be some common sense brought back into that town's governing bodies.....

[no name joe]

Upon reading the first paragraph it crossed my mind they must be doing this because the home Bible study was being used as a cover for some sort of "swingers party" or something of that sort. I know they've had this happen in the near past.

As one reads through the rest of the story, it becomes apparent that isn't the issue at all and they are very over regulating and over interpreting the definition of a church (to include a building) which would then call into place fire codes, emergency egress.....etc.

They have obviously gone way overboard and there needs to be some common sense brought back into that town's governing bodies.....

Well this is terrible. There is no way that action will stand up in court.

As far as your commenta bout the swinger parties, the government should not interfere with those eihter. What people do in their own homes between consenting adults are their own business, whether it be meet for Bible study or behave immorally in swinging parties.

[trc123]

Well this is terrible. There is no way that action will stand up in court.

As far as your commenta bout the swinger parties, the government should not interfere with those eihter. What people do in their own homes between consenting adults are their own business, whether it be meet for Bible study or behave immorally in swinging parties.

While I'm a moderate libertarian, I do believe there are somethings the local community via its town/city governments has a right to intervene in. Even the supreme court has ruled that the community has the right to set certain standards and zoning regulations.

I'm not for the government coming into anyone's home or bedroom; I am for them making certain that things like porn shops, sex clubs and other such activities (swingers clubs included) stay out of areas that families and children live. That I believe even the law of the land will uphold.

[no name joe]

For the most part I agree with you. City government does have a right to zoning, and can require "adult" businesses to be located within a certain area and away from churches, etc. However, there is a difference between an "adult" store or a strip club, and a group of friends who gather for a private swingers party. Is it immoral? Undoubtedly. However, if the government can prohibit a group of 8 or 10 people from getting together for their sex parties (not a business at all, just consenting adults within the privacy of their home), then the city government could step in and prohibit any private gathering of friends in a home for any reason (Bible study, tupperware party, birthday party), claiming that that many people gathered in a home is a fire hazard, or causes traffic problems, etc.

If a business is involved, then the governmetn absolutely has the right to require it located in a commercial area, etc. However, if it is a private group of individuals meeting together, then the government has NO right to step in. If the city prohibited all gatherings of 10 people or more in a private home, then that would also apply to home churches, and if applies uniformally to everyone, would probably stand up. However, the governemnt does not have that right. It is a violation of private property and private individuals, getting together for whatever lawful purpose they desire. If they were injecting illegal drugs, it is a different story, but even then, a warrant would need to be obtained before busting up in a house.

[trc123]

For the most part I agree with you. City government does have a right to zoning, and can require "adult" businesses to be located within a certain area and away from churches, etc. However, there is a difference between an "adult" store or a strip club, and a group of friends who gather for a private swingers party. Is it immoral? Undoubtedly. However, if the government can prohibit a group of 8 or 10 people from getting together for their sex parties (not a business at all, just consenting adults within the privacy of their home), then the city government could step in and prohibit any private gathering of friends in a home for any reason (Bible study, tupperware party, birthday party), claiming that that many people gathered in a home is a fire hazard, or causes traffic problems, etc.

If a business is involved, then the governmetn absolutely has the right to require it located in a commercial area, etc. However, if it is a private group of individuals meeting together, then the government has NO right to step in. If the city prohibited all gatherings of 10 people or more in a private home, then that would also apply to home churches, and if applies uniformally to everyone, would probably stand up. However, the governemnt does not have that right. It is a violation of private property and private individuals, getting together for whatever lawful purpose they desire. If they were injecting illegal drugs, it is a different story, but even then, a warrant would need to be obtained before busting up in a house.

From anything I've read in the news media concerning these parties - the government has gotten involved in it because they all were charging a fee to attend, they were held in residential areas and there were issues with a lot of traffic and people semi-flaunting what they were doing.

You and I will have to agree to disagree! It is bad enough that these types of activities happen any where, but they have absolutely no business running a sex club in a residential area.

[1Timothy115]

It's a shame and I signed the national boycott of Pepsico. For many years I said there was nothing better than a cold Pepsi in a bottle...no more! Did you know they also own Taco Bell?

[bzmomo7]

It's a shame and I signed the national boycott of Pepsico. For many years I said there was nothing better than a cold Pepsi in a bottle...no more! Did you know they also own Taco Bell?

Did you know they own Quaker, Dole, and Tropicana, too?

[Wilchbla]

Don't the Mormons own much of Pepsi (as far as stocks) ? I've heard this but not sure it is true. I do remember the flack they took over that Madonna and the burning crosses commercial years back.

[John81]

Don't the Mormons own much of Pepsi (as far as stocks) ? I've heard this but not sure it is true. I do remember the flack they took over that Madonna and the burning crosses commercial years back.

Yes, they took some a hit for that commercial but they only made some cosmetic corrections.

Typically, these major companies don't care that much about us being offended. They will sometimes take actions which, on the surface, appear to be changes but they are not. They will drop an ad, maybe pull a bit of public support for something, but behind the scenes it's business as usual. They continue to support homosexual agendas, the agenda of the radical feminists, and various other ungodly things.

[JerryNumbers]

We don't know all the circumstances about this issue.

If at each Wednesday evening service, if there are cars being parked everywhere and blocking peoples driveways, they are having music services that's loud and disturbing the neighbors, having a preaching service that's echoing thru the neighborhood, a few people shouting during the service, do you think the neighbors ought to have to put up with it every Wednesday evening?

That is one reason I love living out in the country. I know good and well there be some neighbors who are not very considered.

I know some time back there was a holy rolly group having what they called Bible study in our town at a home and it got out of hand.

Now if it was a small group, there was proper parking, and they were just having a simple Bible study most people would not mind, but what it they were loud and rude and it was next door to you?

I can see why a city would have laws governing such things. Many people are just plain rude including some Christians. And when you live in a place where houses are just a few feet apart a person ought to know there will be restrictions.

Once again I say I don't know the circumstances involved, so I'm just partly speculating.

[deputydog530]

Hi Bro Jerry

I thought if these same things. However I recalled that there are laws the deal with parking and noise if this is the case. The offenders should be cited and if it continues (say unlawful parking) then tow the vehicles. That will fix a lot of issues as citations and tow bills are very expensive.

If a permit is required under zoning, then a BBQ can not be held either as it would violate the same law.

Just some thoughts.

[Danny Carlton]

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/ ... dex=108046

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