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We recently had 5 saved at the County Jail, and 1 at the state prison--Praise the Lord! I often hear of one/some being saved in prison.

I know about "jailhouse religion" and that some think it will help their case, but the Lord knows who is truly saved, and who is not...for that matter, we do not no if the people we write to on this forum are saved, for sure. I only know that I am, and I take your word for it that you are.

Anyway, maybe a few inmates have begun a new life. I have quit the Jail ministry because of a stand on the KJB, but I still like to keep abreast of it. The "Rock of Ages" prison ministry has missionaries all over, one at our church, and they go to the state prisons, while several of the laymen go to the County Jail; it can be quite a blessing.

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Amen to those salvations! We have a jail ministry here, too. We've seen people saved over the years. There is one man that I know for sure came from the jail ministry, and has been a faithful member of our church for years. It's a very important ministry.

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Actually, we have seen many saved, but few come to church on a regular basis. We go to a couple of state prisons, as well as the local county jail, but I have to admit, I had to make a conviction based decision, and quit going! They put a sign on my pulpit saying that I cannot emphasize the KJB, because it is too controversial. They allow Catholic communion, tongues teaching, and the whole shebang, but they do not want the KJB. I have to say though, our guys are definitely KJB, but they do not "push" it like I did. I started out telling the inmates that "No two words mean exactly the same thing" and illustrated it. Someone complained to the Chaplin (southern Baptist), and he called me with an "ultimatum". I felt my hands were tied, and I could no longer participate under their conditions, but now I am not reaching any of them! I sometimes wonder if I should have compromised for the sake of getting the Gospel to them, but I believe the Lord would have me to stand on my God-given convictions too. Sometimes its hard to know what to do.

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Prison ministry can be difficult. The prison ministry program and the prison chaplain is typically as PC as they can be and the whole thing is very political in nature.

One prison chaplain pulled a lot of strings to get an excellent Baptist pastor banned from doing ministry in the prison because he felt that pastor was a threat to his job. The Baptist pastor had no intention, desire or calling to be a prison chaplain but that didn't matter.

Muslims, Catholics and Charismatics seem to get a pretty free hand while true followers of Christ who live, teach and preach the whole Word of God receive much scrutiny and are most likely to be restricted in one or more ways.

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Actually, we have seen many saved, but few come to church on a regular basis. We go to a couple of state prisons, as well as the local county jail, but I have to admit, I had to make a conviction based decision, and quit going! They put a sign on my pulpit saying that I cannot emphasize the KJB, because it is too controversial. They allow Catholic communion, tongues teaching, and the whole shebang, but they do not want the KJB. I have to say though, our guys are definitely KJB, but they do not "push" it like I did. I started out telling the inmates that "No two words mean exactly the same thing" and illustrated it. Someone complained to the Chaplin (southern Baptist), and he called me with an "ultimatum". I felt my hands were tied, and I could no longer participate under their conditions, but now I am not reaching any of them! I sometimes wonder if I should have compromised for the sake of getting the Gospel to them, but I believe the Lord would have me to stand on my God-given convictions too. Sometimes its hard to know what to do.


I guess I don't know why you have to "emphasize the KJB" while preaching and winning souls at the jail or prison. Can't you just emphasize the Word of God and if any of them ask for advise on which Bible to buy or have a visitor bring them, then you can tell them the KJB?

I've been a "chaplain" in the local county jail and for one of the big state prisons (I was the Prison Ministry leader for an IFB church) and there was never really time from the pulpit to even discuss such things. We were preaching from our KJB about their need to repent and be saved and then growing in the Lord. We preached that the Book we held in our hands was the Word of God. We never apologized for using the KJB, but we also didn't make it an issue, we just used it and memorized it and referred the inmates to it when asked.

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I guess I don't know why you have to "emphasize the KJB" while preaching and winning souls at the jail or prison. Can't you just emphasize the Word of God and if any of them ask for advise on which Bible to buy or have a visitor bring them, then you can tell them the KJB?

I've been a "chaplain" in the local county jail and for one of the big state prisons (I was the Prison Ministry leader for an IFB church) and there was never really time from the pulpit to even discuss such things. We were preaching from our KJB about their need to repent and be saved and then growing in the Lord. We preached that the Book we held in our hands was the Word of God. We never apologized for using the KJB, but we also didn't make it an issue, we just used it and memorized it and referred the inmates to it when asked.
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Something happened to my last post, so I re-posted again, it got mixed up with the quotes from trc.


I felt that I needed to emphasize it, what good does it do to give them the truth, then have them get all mixed up with inferior translations! Yes, I could have just preached, and did, but you can get a lot of "salvation" in there in a short time if need be. They had so many others there all teaching different doctrines that all they can really get is confusion, but if they learn that the KJB is the true Word of God, that will set them apart from the teachers of falsehoods. When there is so much adverse influence, I believe there is a greater need to stress the truth; they already wonder who to believe! I had many of them tell me that they got the "Holy Ghost" while in the shower, or on the rec time break, or whatever, and they need a realistic God, not one that does magic tricks. I believe I did right, but as I say, they aren't getting as much of the truth now, so it is sort of a "catch 22". Several of our guys still go there, so I know the Gospel is being preached; I do not want to belittle them in any way, because they are doing it, and I am not! I just feel that the KJB needs to be emphasized more, lest they wind up with a watered down Christianity, if they get it at all (the inmates, not our guys!)

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Something happened to my last post, so I re-posted again, it got mixed up with the quotes from trc.


I felt that I needed to emphasize it, what good does it do to give them the truth, then have them get all mixed up with inferior translations! Yes, I could have just preached, and did, but you can get a lot of "salvation" in there in a short time if need be. They had so many others there all teaching different doctrines that all they can really get is confusion, but if they learn that the KJB is the true Word of God, that will set them apart from the teachers of falsehoods. When there is so much adverse influence, I believe there is a greater need to stress the truth; they already wonder who to believe! I had many of them tell me that they got the "Holy Ghost" while in the shower, or on the rec time break, or whatever, and they need a realistic God, not one that does magic tricks. I believe I did right, but as I say, they aren't getting as much of the truth now, so it is sort of a "catch 22". Several of our guys still go there, so I know the Gospel is being preached; I do not want to belittle them in any way, because they are doing it, and I am not! I just feel that the KJB needs to be emphasized more, lest they wind up with a watered down Christianity, if they get it at all (the inmates, not our guys!)


Understood.

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I'm going to emphasize the KJB in my booklet in a section on it. The other bible versions on a direct attack on faith. The perserved Word of God is as much part of the gospel story as the garden of eden - and quite rightfully part of prophecy too.

If we were just teaching words of men, maybe it wouldn't matter - but that is the attack. Even the unsaved know that the wicked mess around with the words of the constitution. We are bad witnesses to the truth if we don't witness God's word, and not as our own and changeable.

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At our various jail ministries, we had (for the month of August) 391 in attendance, and 54 saved! Praise the Lord!

I know there is such a thing as "jailhouse religion" and that many inmates seem to think that it will impress the judge, and may affect their sentence, but if even one soul is truly saved, (and we think most, if not all these, were sincere) it is still worth the effort. Besides, why even go if we do not believe that we can make a difference? We could let the charismatics do it!

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At our various jail ministries, we had (for the month of August) 391 in attendance, and 54 saved! Praise the Lord!

I know there is such a thing as "jailhouse religion" and that many inmates seem to think that it will impress the judge, and may affect their sentence, but if even one soul is truly saved, (and we think most, if not all these, were sincere) it is still worth the effort. Besides, why even go if we do not believe that we can make a difference? We could let the charismatics do it!


This is excellent news! Does this mean that you are once again participating in the prison ministry?

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This is excellent news! Does this mean that you are once again participating in the prison ministry?



No, the local chaplain would not welcome me back after our little discussion. I still stand where I first stood on the issue of the KJB, and unless I fudge on it, I won't be going back, because I doubt that the chaplain will change. I do still keep up on it though, and pray for them.

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No, the local chaplain would not welcome me back after our little discussion. I still stand where I first stood on the issue of the KJB, and unless I fudge on it, I won't be going back, because I doubt that the chaplain will change. I do still keep up on it though, and pray for them.


That's cool. I pray many lives are changed by that ministry. You never know when that seed will settle in and take deep root.

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We recently had 5 saved at the County Jail, and 1 at the state prison--Praise the Lord! I often hear of one/some being saved in prison.

I know about "jailhouse religion" and that some think it will help their case, but the Lord knows who is truly saved, and who is not...for that matter, we do not no if the people we write to on this forum are saved, for sure. I only know that I am, and I take your word for it that you are.

Anyway, maybe a few inmates have begun a new life. I have quit the Jail ministry because of a stand on the KJB, but I still like to keep abreast of it. The "Rock of Ages" prison ministry has missionaries all over, one at our church, and they go to the state prisons, while several of the laymen go to the County Jail; it can be quite a blessing.

 

Praise the Lord, Irishman!  The pastor at the other IFB church that I went to was born in the area of TN, where the "Rock of Ages" ministry is located.  His mother and brother still live there, so he visits when he can.  We also supported a ministry through them from a town just south of me.  The missionaries are a wonderful blessing!

 

 

I have been thinking about getting involved in prison ministry quite a bit as of late.  Does anyone here have experience in the one-on-one "friendly visitor" type of ministry?

 
I have been to a female juvenile facility, several years back Joseph.  I drove two girls to the prison after service one Sunday morning.  The missionary (who was saved in prison himself) gave the message.  When the two girls gave their testimonies, two girls were saved.  We talked with each girl one on one.  The missionary always does a follow up after each salvation to see how the inmates are doing.  Many have the blessed reassurance of salvation.  So, from my understanding, preach the word of God, then talk about what Jesus has done in your life.  Our testimonies are a wonderful way to win people to Christ.  Hope this helps you a bit.  

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 I am looking for information or experiences where there is no message preached to a group, but rather, one on one visitor interaction.  

 

One of my experiences may be what you're looking for...

 

I was on the jury during the trial of a young man who was accused of several unsavory things. We acquitted him simply for lack of evidence. He still had to spend a little time in the county jail for a day or two (I don't know why...processing maybe?) Anyway, the day after the trial, I went to the jail under a heavy burden to witness to this young man.

 

I went there and told them who I was and that I would like to speak to the young man (I used his name). The Chief Deputy (who is a preacher) came out to get more information from me...but I knew the Chief Deputy personally...and I knew the Sheriff personally...so that may have helped. 

 

I told the Chief Deputy that I wanted to witness to the young man, and he said that was great...and he went to get him for me.  They took me to a separate room, and in a few minutes, the young man walked in, and they shut us in the room alone.

 

He recognized me from the trial of course, so he looked a little perplexed. I told him that I wasn't there to discuss the trial, but that I was concerned for him...that he OBviously had made some bad decisions with his life. I told him that I was there because I was concerned about where he would spend eternity...that he needed to be saved, and I would like to share how to be saved with him.

 

He stopped me and said that was incredible. I asked him why, and he said that they came and got him from a chapel service to meet with me...that right before they came and got him, he was thinking and praying that he wished someone could tell him how to be saved.

 

I took my time explaining salvation to him, and he was saved right then and there. AMEN!

 

This was prOBably 15+ years ago. The one-on-one worked great during that instance. That's the only time I've ever done one-on-one in a jail like that. Perhaps the fact that I knew the Chief Deputy and the Sheriff personally helped the situation, but one thing I know is that God put me there at just the right time when that young man was ready to be saved.

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I have been thinking about getting involved in prison ministry quite a bit as of late.  Does anyone here have experience in the one-on-one "friendly visitor" type of ministry?

 

I worked the jail ministry while a member of Open Door Baptist in the Seattle area. We worked the Snohomish County Jail, where we were able to preach to groups, many inmates sign up for church hour to hang out with their friends in other parts of the Jail. (I heard the gospel that way in California Youth Authority - that´s another story)

We also worked the King County Jail where it was a one on one format. You could choose "pods" where you were allowed into the main area and could sit at a table until an inmate approached you.

The chaplains are mostly ecumenical, but their jOB forces them to be due to laws made by reprOBate politicians. Even and IFB chaplain has to abide by all kinds of limitations. The key is to keep focused on the BIG picture, and with all due respect to my brethren here, the KJB is NOT the BIG picture in a Jail ministry.

I liked the one on one. After a while if you are regular, you can influence a few men and teach them sound doctrine. They will be waiting for you to show up, your table will grow, other men will come around and check it out.

Perhaps my own "street cred" made me a little more popular.

If you bash other religions, they will weed you out.

 

Jail ministry is rewarding, but it does not grow a church, neither does street preaching, but we should do it anyways.

 

It will do more for you by sharpening your edge, giving you a heart fro people, give you compassion for lost folks that make stupid choices, teach you gratefulness for what you have,

 

M;y friend in Battlecreek has a great Jail ministry, Pastor Randy Stewart.

 

God bless,

calvary

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Joseph Redgate, on 07 May 2014 - 3:00 PM, said:snapback.png

I have been thinking about getting involved in prison ministry quite a bit as of late.  Does anyone here have experience in the one-on-one "friendly visitor" type of ministry?

I did see this Joseph and your enthusiasm is wonderful!  I just recalled that another man from that church had a wonderful one on one prison ministry, in the inner city of an area just west of me.  Not to put a damper on anything; however he was 80 years old at the time, and was well grounded in the KJV.  Maybe you can find a good IFB church to go to first, whose doctrine lines up with God's word, then proceed from there.  JMO  :)   

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Thank you for sharing your experience, Calvary.  I never even thought of being able to be in a position where inmates could approach you in their own time... how great!

 

Please forgive my simple-mindedness, but this part confused me a bit.  Perhaps you could explain what you mean here; I have been known to not always be the sharpest knife in the drawer. 

 

 

I just mean that most times the fruit of the jail ministry doesn´t see its fullness in the church house on Sundays. Many say it´s a waste of time because the "saved convicts" never come to church. But not all ministry should find it´s fulfillment in the local church.

You will mature, grow and bear fruit there, and you take that experience into life everywhere you go.

 

That´s all I´m saying.

Street preaching is the same. After preaching on streets in downtown for over 10 years, I can´t recall one person who ever came to our church. But I do know that many were saved, the gospel was planted in hearts and Christ was exalted in the public square. In addition, I have to say that in my own life it made me bolder for Christ, kept me sensitive to the needs of people, and gave me a compassion for souls that most Christians in the states never have.

 

God bless,

calvary

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I just mean that most times the fruit of the jail ministry doesn´t see its fullness in the church house on Sundays. Many say it´s a waste of time because the "saved convicts" never come to church. But not all ministry should find it´s fulfillment in the local church.

You will mature, grow and bear fruit there, and you take that experience into life everywhere you go.

 

That´s all I´m saying.

Street preaching is the same. After preaching on streets in downtown for over 10 years, I can´t recall one person who ever came to our church. But I do know that many were saved, the gospel was planted in hearts and Christ was exalted in the public square. In addition, I have to say that in my own life it made me bolder for Christ, kept me sensitive to the needs of people, and gave me a compassion for souls that most Christians in the states never have.

 

God bless,

calvary

 

I especially agree with your last statement, Calvary.

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