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If I may break in here, I have an observation regarding Independent Baptists. First, they couldn't have been around at Pentecost, because Baptists don't speak in tongues! Second, where are all the Baptist documents and writings prior to the 16th century?


Baptists don't claim there were "Baptists" since Pentecost but that those who truely followed Christ eventually came to be known as Baptists.

The Roman Catholic Church persecuted the first Baptists extensively which is why there is little surviving of their earliest times. At the time of the Reformation one Catholic priest or bishop commented that (it's recorded in writing and we still have this today) that had the RCC not been so hotly persecuting the Baptists for the past thousand years the RCC would be facing much worse at that time.

With regards to speaking in tongues, Baptists don't speak in unbiblical "tongues" as some Charismatics and others do, but there have been instances of Baptists who spoke in biblical tongues while serving in foreign lands taking the Gospel to the unreached.

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Baptists don't claim there were "Baptists" since Pentecost but that those who truely followed Christ eventually came to be known as Baptists.

The Roman Catholic Church persecuted the first Baptists extensively which is why there is little surviving of their earliest times. At the time of the Reformation one Catholic priest or bishop commented that (it's recorded in writing and we still have this today) that had the RCC not been so hotly persecuting the Baptists for the past thousand years the RCC would be facing much worse at that time.

With regards to speaking in tongues, Baptists don't speak in unbiblical "tongues" as some Charismatics and others do, but there have been instances of Baptists who spoke in biblical tongues while serving in foreign lands taking the Gospel to the unreached.


What were they known as before they were known as Baptist?

What is surviving of their earliest times?

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What were they known as before they were known as Baptist?

What is surviving of their earliest times?


You'll have to ask those who really study this. I could provide some names but since I've not checked into them enough myself, I won't pass them on.

By the accounts of the RCC, Baptists existed at least a thounsand years before Martin Luther. So at whatever point these Believers began calling themselves Baptists over a thousand years prior to Martin Luther, up to about then would be their earliest times.

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You'll have to ask those who really study this. I could provide some names but since I've not checked into them enough myself, I won't pass them on.

By the accounts of the RCC, Baptists existed at least a thounsand years before Martin Luther. So at whatever point these Believers began calling themselves Baptists over a thousand years prior to Martin Luther, up to about then would be their earliest times.


So, approximately sometime in and around the 7th century?

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So, approximately sometime in and around the 7th century?


Personally, I'm not that interested in it or I would have remembered more about what I read along these lines. For myelf it's not important when Baptists were first called Baptists but there are others who take great interest in this. You'll have to ask one of them for solid answers regarding this.

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Really, you should be interested in knowing when the Baptists came about. I do believe they are post-reformation. It's incredible that some claim they go all the way back to John the Baptist. Even if the evil Catholic Church destroyed their writings, there would still be some around that pre-date the 16th Century - Catholics couldn't have been that effective in destroying 100% of any baptist documents. And, what about the Bible? Didn't Catholics preserve it? If they were so evil, wouldn't they have tried to destroy it???


Personally, I'm not that interested in it or I would have remembered more about what I read along these lines. For myelf it's not important when Baptists were first called Baptists but there are others who take great interest in this. You'll have to ask one of them for solid answers regarding this.

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One could make the argument that there have always been true Christians throughout all ages. Since most IFB churches are pretty right on that would make them true Christians, thus in that sense "Baptists" have been around a long time. They weren't called Baptist back then though. I am more along the lines of John though. It really doesn't matter. What matters is that we are teaching truth and learning truth and applying truth which is God's Word, the Bible.

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Really, you should be interested in knowing when the Baptists came about. I do believe they are post-reformation. It's incredible that some claim they go all the way back to John the Baptist. Even if the evil Catholic Church destroyed their writings, there would still be some around that pre-date the 16th Century - Catholics couldn't have been that effective in destroying 100% of any baptist documents. And, what about the Bible? Didn't Catholics preserve it? If they were so evil, wouldn't they have tried to destroy it???


Why should I be interested in when the Baptists first came about? By Catholic admission Baptists were around at least a thousand years prior to Martin Luther.

What matters is being born again in Christ and obeying His Word; not when Baptists first were called Baptists.

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Why should I be interested in when the Baptists first came about? By Catholic admission Baptists were around at least a thousand years prior to Martin Luther.

What matters is being born again in Christ and obeying His Word; not when Baptists first were called Baptists.


I agree. God surely won't judge us for not knowing the date "Baptists" came in to existence. His word in the Bible is all we need to live by. More power to you, though, if you are able to sit down, research, and figure out a date.

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Does anyone here reject a Church simply based on the fact that they don't call themselves IFB? They have a name like "Open Door Fellowship" and they teach and preach just like solid IFBaptist, but they call themselves independent/non-denominational and don't use the title Baptist at all.

Edited by God's Child

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Does anyone here reject a Church simply based on the fact that they don't call themselves IFB? They have a name like "Open Door Fellowship" and they teach and preach just like solid IFBaptist, but they call themselves independent/non-denominational and don't use the title Baptist at all.


I would not reject such a church, not at all.

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I wouldn't reject it automatically, but I would be a little wary until I checked its doctrine and practices against Scripture. And just because a church has Baptist over its door doesn't mean I'd automatically join it. But I would start with Baptist churches and go from there.

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Does anyone here reject a Church simply based on the fact that they don't call themselves IFB? They have a name like "Open Door Fellowship" and they teach and preach just like solid IFBaptist, but they call themselves independent/non-denominational and don't use the title Baptist at all.

I would not automatically reject the church, the doctrine of the church is more important than the name.
However, I do often wonder why these churches do not have Baptist in their name. If you have Baptist doctrines, why not call yourself Baptist? I can only speak for New England, but the majority of the time when a church removes Baptist from their name it for the purpose of attracting more people. After a few years, the church usually is not an IFB church in preaching anymore.

If they believe like a Baptist, why are they not a Baptist? I mean if I had the same beliefs as the Catholics, would I not be a Catholic?

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I would not automatically reject the church, the doctrine of the church is more important than the name.
However, I do often wonder why these churches do not have Baptist in their name. If you have Baptist doctrines, why not call yourself Baptist? I can only speak for New England, but the majority of the time when a church removes Baptist from their name it for the purpose of attracting more people. After a few years, the church usually is not an IFB church in preaching anymore.

If they believe like a Baptist, why are they not a Baptist? I mean if I had the same beliefs as the Catholics, would I not be a Catholic?


Well, let's see.....here are at least 13 reasons why not to have the word "Baptist" in the title of one's church:

The American Baptist Church
The Southern Baptist Church
The Missionary Baptist Church
The Northern Baptist Church
The Primitive Baptist Church
The Hardshell Baptist Church
The Strict Baptist Church
The Particular Baptist Church
The General Baptist Church
The Landmark Baptist Church
The Reformed Baptist Church
The Freewill Baptist Church
The Pentecostal Baptist Church

Which of these would you like to be likened unto?

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Yeah, in answer to the original question, I'd have to say that I don't think there is any church that has everything 100% correct. So, to use the term "only true church" to describe any one denomination or local body would be a mistake. The "only true church" is the invisible body of believers in Christ.

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Well, let's see.....here are at least 13 reasons why not to have the word "Baptist" in the title of one's church:

The American Baptist Church
The Southern Baptist Church
The Missionary Baptist Church
The Northern Baptist Church
The Primitive Baptist Church
The Hardshell Baptist Church
The Strict Baptist Church
The Particular Baptist Church
The General Baptist Church
The Landmark Baptist Church
The Reformed Baptist Church
The Freewill Baptist Church
The Pentecostal Baptist Church

Which of these would you like to be likened unto?


The Missionary Baptist Church :biggrin:

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Well, let's see.....here are at least 13 reasons why not to have the word "Baptist" in the title of one's church:

The American Baptist Church
The Southern Baptist Church
The Missionary Baptist Church
The Northern Baptist Church
The Primitive Baptist Church
The Hardshell Baptist Church
The Strict Baptist Church
The Particular Baptist Church
The General Baptist Church
The Landmark Baptist Church
The Reformed Baptist Church
The Freewill Baptist Church
The Pentecostal Baptist Church

Which of these would you like to be likened unto?


Yea, but I could list a thousand more to that list by not putting the word Baptist in it. Would you like for me to start listing the mega Bible churches? :) If that is your criteria, I can generate a bigger list. :)

Which one of those Joel Osteen type churches would you be likened to? :bleh:

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Also, if negative name recognition is why not to have the name Baptist in it, then we should not call it a church or call ourselves Christians. After all, too many false doctrines come out of churches.

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Missionary Baptist..
This past Saturday night, we played music for a revival service at a missionary baptist church. I know very little about their doctrine but at this particular service the visiting evangelist preached a sound Gospel message. It was from Genesis 37-45, from the King James Bible entitled "Dealing with the Hurt, of being Hurt". It was a convicting message. The pastor also seemed to have a genuine love for people a heart for God. Like I said I know very little about them, but I could sense the Spirit of God there and knew we had been to church. It's not that way in alot of the churches we sing at.

Edited by heartstrings

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I do have a question that I am curious about. Do the Missionary Baptist have a bad name and if so why?


Actually, there are plenty of good Baptist churches of various flavors in my list, I was just being a bit tongue'n cheek with Bro. Matt.

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Actually, there are plenty of good Baptist churches of various flavors in my list, I was just being a bit tongue'n cheek with Bro. Matt.


Thanks for clarifying. I was a little confused because from what I have experienced they are just like IFBs. I actually consider them IFB. At least the American Baptist Association. I don't know about other Missionary Baptist Churches though.

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Missionary Baptist..
This past Saturday night, we played music for a revival service at a missionary baptist church. I know very little about their doctrine but at this particular service the visiting evangelist preached a sound Gospel message. It was from Genesis 37-45, from the King James Bible entitled "Dealing with the Hurt, of being Hurt". It was a convicting message. The pastor also seemed to have a genuine love for people a heart for God. Like I said I know very little about them, but I could sense the Spirit of God there and knew we had been to church. It's not that way in alot of the churches we sing at.


If it was an ABA church, they are pretty sound in doctrine. My husband actually bought a little booklet on what the ABA believes. I haven't read it yet, but I will soon. I don't know what other Missionary Baptists believe though.

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