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Mom Appeals to Government: Don't Pull Plug on my Baby

Little Isaiah James was brought into this world after 40 hours of hard labor by his mother. She faced death itself to bring her firstborn son into this world only to possibly have to watch him die in spite of all her efforts to give him life. Isaiah was born with his umbilical cord wrapped around his neck cutting off his oxygen. He was airlifted to a children
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This is a hard topic because...say it wasn't government run...THEN who pays for it?

BTW I'm totally against gov't healthcare...but if that had happened here, it would be no different....its millions of dollars for long term life support.... who pays, who decides?

My heart goes out to the family.

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How much is a life worth?

How much are you willing to sacrifice to keep from pulling the plug and killing - no murdering - someone?

And of course, the only way the government can bring down the cost of health care is to limit health care. Then among humans, only the fittest will survive.

Of course, PETA won't help humans. They will keep on fighting to give animals better care than humans will receive.

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I guess we've had this discussion before, but when is "pulling the plug" actually "murder"? Or is it just finally allowing the person to finish dying in peace?

In the case of Terri S, she was not on life support...she was on a feeding tube. THAT was murder.

But when a machine is having to breathe for you and your brain is not working and you are just existing on machines...is that God given life? Or is that machine/man given "life"?

Did you know machines can keep a body "alive" in order to do an organ transplant? Is that life?

I'm all for life support, don't get me wrong...but I just don't know if long term "life support" is something God intended.....(meaning your body is being kept alive on machines for months and months on end)

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I'd be interested in people's take on why it would be considered "murder" to take away any mechanism that is keeping someone alive by any extraordinary means (whether it be an artificial tube to feed someone or by a heart/lung machine). How does that fit into Scripture's teaching vs. one's own sensibilities or moral compass? Is it truly keeping someone alive with their soul in tact or just keeping the vessel functioning in order to ease one's conscience?

Note: Before you go calling me names or claiming I'm a backsliden heathen, I'm only asking questions and not advocating or trying to convince anyone of a position you may think I have. I'm genuinely interested in people's opinions based upon their understanding of Scripture. These are difficult things that we all will confront sometime in our lives (I know I have) and I would appreciate the feedback. I hope this can be an honest discussion where a person can share their opinion of Scripture teaching without anyone else calling them names or accusing them of terrible things.

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There are people who are functioning fairly well but need a feeding tube. To me that is not "life support". Food is food whether you get it through a straw, a tube, or a bit of steak.

But to me, if you are having to force someone to breathe with a machine...well OBviously that's necessary (and wonderful!) for certain surgeries or even just while someone is recovering from a serious accident...but if no "recovering" is going on...I'm not sure why its "murder" just to allow the body to die as God must have intended, to allow the accident.

It sure would be interesting to be able to see when someone's soul leaves their body...as a side note...

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A judge ruled today to give Baby Isaiah a few more weeks. This will give the family time to have more specialists come in and look at Isaiah. They have another court date on Feb. 19th. At that time they will have to present their case on why Isaiah should be allowed to live with testimonial support from the specialists they are able to procure.

If anyone is on Facebook and interested they have a page dedicated to him for any who want to join.
Prayers for Baby Isaiah James

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PrOBono is fine....

I'm saying if the hospital says they don't have the money any longer and the charities aren't paying and the government isn't paying...then what?

Just because expensive treatments are out there, does it mean people have a right to them? That's what it comes down to...what are people's "rights"?

If I have cancer...and say I can't afford insurance and for some reason I can't find a charity to pay for my chemo. (That is rare, but just as a hypothetical statement)....who is the wicked party in that I cannot get my chemo and end up dying a natural death from cancer?

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That's what I'm saying...people get all over me LOL because sometimes I take the side of the doctors who want to "pull the plug" but if the doctors are no longer being paid, then....what should happen?

If health care is not a basic human right, then we have no right to demand that doctors and hospitals perform it for free.

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Don't you think its safest to error on the side of life, when your dealing with a life?

In the case of Terri, the Florida wife and daughter, no judge did this for her, they said to starve her to death, and that is what they did. Seeing that a person gets food and water who is unable to do so for their self, that is not life support, but human compassion, of which was not shown to Terrie.

And when your dealing with an elderly person who has cancer and or some other terminal disease, who is on a respirator, and or they're just totally worn out, is a big difference that dealing with other situations, more especially Little Isaiah James from what is told us in the news article.

But, what would you rather do, enjoy all of the material possessions your money will buy, or sacrifice so that someone could have the opportunity at life. I fear that in America, both believes and infidels, would rather enjoy their money and earthly possession than to sacrifice these 2 things so that a life might have the opportunity to survive, unless its one of their own loved ones.

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