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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

Billy Graham's Sad Disobedience to the Word of God

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Precisely how does a believer's sincere interpretation of creation that may differ from yours have to do with whether or not a person is walking upright before the Lord? I mean if they believe the Bible is God's word and inerrant and perfect and yet one looks at days with the Lord as possibly years, etc......

Just curious.......


I guess you didn't read the article at all. Here is the prOBlem of supporting the gap theory:
1. The gap theory undermines the simplicity and authority of Scripture.

Psalm 119:169 teaches that man is to receive his understanding from the Scriptures. Although God made His Word plain and simple so that all could understand and believe (Psalm 119:130), many theologians interpret Scriptures with a mind clouded by opinions, preconceived ideas, and a bias having been "educated" in heathen schools of thought. Interpretation in this manner causes many theologians to twist the Scripture into agreeing with their "theory." Feeling the attacks of "science, "Christians began to interpret the Scripture with the preconceived idea that science had determined the age of the earth. God did not write His Word with tricky language. To compromise the simplicity or authority of the Scripture is to accommodate the world
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I think in the times in which we live where many are confused by the widely accepted theories of evolution and the origin of species, it would be very easy to try and reconcile that confusion while still resting on the authority of Scripture by applying the gap theory to the history of creation. I personally don't believe in the gap theory but I wouldn't judge someone who did because we are all human and can make mistakes. Most people would not think about the 4 points you listed above, though I think they're accurate for the most part. Most people just don't think along those lines and I wouldn't judge someone because they believed differently, at least they still believe in the sovereignty of God in creation. Maybe not to the degree that others do, but I can't fault them for not coming to the same belief or understanding that I have.

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There are just some things that are extremely clear in the Scriptures and there is 100% understanding and agreement; while other doctrines are not as clear nor agreed upon.

This tends to cause internal conflict in the brain for some believers who only see black and white without any shades of gray.

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When you said that, it made me think of all the personality types that make up the Body of Christ and how many of those personality types are separated along denominational lines. Imagine how well we could work together if we could put aside the names of our denominations and worked together as one. But instead, we have the head over there in fundamentalism and the feet are over there in Presbyterianism and the arms are in the Southern Baptist Convention, etc. Imagine how well we could balance each other out and the works we could do for Christ if we united the Body and helped to balance out one another's strengths and weaknesses.

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When you said that, it made me think of all the personality types that make up the Body of Christ and how many of those personality types are separated along denominational lines. Imagine how well we could work together if we could put aside the names of our denominations and worked together as one. But instead, we have the head over there in fundamentalism and the feet are over there in Presbyterianism and the arms are in the Southern Baptist Convention, etc. Imagine how well we could balance each other out and the works we could do for Christ if we united the Body and helped to balance out one another's strengths and weaknesses.


I am glad that Christ is the head of the body of Christ not "fundamentalism". Even so I am glad that fundamentalists for the most part understand that not every denomination that claims to to be Christian is following Christ. If refusal to work with people teaching things that are contrary to the word of God is a handicap I just have to say that it is better to loose you your feet by amputation then allow the whole body to die of gangrene.
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Sorry, my bad, but you got the point. ;)

That's a cute analogy but it isn't quite Biblical. The Bible doesn't say that we can cut off the feet but rather he stresses the importance of us working together and complimenting one another. I think that if we had stayed united, there would be far less distinction between the denominations that we have today because you would have the arms to correct the legs and the feet to correct the arms, etc. Instead, we have everyone broken up into their own little spheres and having no impact on one another at all. There are things that Baptists could learn from Presbyterians and things that Presbyterians could learn from non-denominationalists and things that non-denominationalists could learn from Baptists. If everyone worked together, we could reach our fullest potential as Christ's Body.

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That's a cute analogy but it isn't quite Biblical. The Bible doesn't say that we can cut off the feet but rather he stresses the importance of us working together and complimenting one another. I think that if we had stayed united, there would be far less distinction between the denominations that we have today because you would have the arms to correct the legs and the feet to correct the arms, etc. Instead, we have everyone broken up into their own little spheres and having no impact on one another at all. There are things that Baptists could learn from Presbyterians and things that Presbyterians could learn from non-denominationalists and things that non-denominationalists could learn from Baptists. If everyone worked together, we could reach our fullest potential as Christ's Body.


I would be happy to work with Presbyterians, non-denominationalists, Billy Graham or anyone else if they would come back to the bible. If they came back to the bible a lot of denominations would have to call themselves something else. ;)

I am not about to endorse leaving the word of God for the sake of unity and that is what ecumenicism requires.
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How does ecumenicism require leaving the Word of God? You can't work with someone who is a Christian but practices infant baptism as a form of dedication?


The only reason they baptize infants is because they held on to the baggage of the catholic church. They kept the same practice of infant baptism but now claim it is for dedication instead of for salvation. That is little different then when the catholic church moved into an area and adopted the heathens feasts and Gods but re-named them after various "saints" to "Christianize" them. If we joined those that turn wickedness into "dedication" so that they might keep their traditions we risk becoming entangled in that yoke of bondage.

1 Corinthians 5:6-7 ....Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened...
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That is little different then when the catholic church moved into an area and adopted the heathens feasts and Gods but re-named them after various "saints" to "Christianize" them.

Are you kidding? That's night and day difference. Praying to saints is little more than praying to false gods. The dedication of a baby is neither biblical or unbiblical(IFB's practice it, too) and whether they choose to use water or not may be an error on their part but is extremely different from praying to saints. Simply no comparison.


If we joined those that turn wickedness into "dedication" so that they might keep their traditions we risk becoming entangled in that yoke of bondage.

So you're saying that your faith is so weak that if you work with people who practice infant baptism, you'll eventually want to do the same thing? I went to a Pres. church for a year and have been friends with them for years and still have zero desire to have my future babies baptized.

Also, while you believe with all your heart(as you should - Romans 14:5b) that what you believe is right, you still very well may be wrong in some areas. Those Christians of other denominations may have a few errors in their doctrinal line-up, as well, but they shouldn't separate us from them any more than the NT churches with their innumerable errors caused Paul to separate from them. He wrote to them, he reasoned with them, and he encouraged them, but never did separation ever occur except on the occasion that someone had rejected their faith.
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The dedication of a baby is neither biblical or unbiblical(IFB's practice it, too) and whether they choose to use water or not may be an error on their part but is extremely different from praying to saints. Simply no comparison.


The comparison was that the catholics took the practices of the heathen and renamed it, likewise the the Presbyterians keep the practice of infant baptism which the catholics teach saves a child, and now claim it's just being done as a dedication of the child instead of being done for the child's salvation. This is a corruption of biblical baptism either way.







So you're saying that your faith is so weak that if you work with people who practice infant baptism, you'll eventually want to do the same thing? I went to a Pres. church for a year and have been friends with them for years and still have zero desire to have my future babies baptized.


I would like to think that by God's grace it wouldn't affect me but there is no reason to play around with or excuse dangerous teaching.

Proverbs 4:13-15 Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life. Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men. Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away.

1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1 Corinthians 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

Those Christians of other denominations may have a few errors in their doctrinal line-up, as well, but they shouldn't separate us from them any more than the NT churches with their innumerable errors caused Paul to separate from them. He wrote to them, he reasoned with them, and he encouraged them, but never did separation ever occur except on the occasion that someone had rejected their faith.


Paul had not yet reached the point of rejection in his letters, he reasoned with them but if they had refused to accept sound doctrine and persisted in sin he would have separated eventually. The various denominations crossed the line where reasoning was still possible long ago. Now reasoning is only possible on a individual level and if through reasoning out of the scriptures someone in that denomination understands the truth they themselves will then face the biblical requirement to separate from false teachers.
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The only reason they baptize infants is because they held on to the baggage of the catholic church. They kept the same practice of infant baptism but now claim it is for dedication instead of for salvation. That is little different then when the catholic church moved into an area and adopted the heathens feasts and Gods but re-named them after various "saints" to "Christianize" them. If we joined those that turn wickedness into "dedication" so that they might keep their traditions we risk becoming entangled in that yoke of bondage.

1 Corinthians 5:6-7 ....Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened...


The historical record of Christianity evidences that the earliest Christians were baptizing infants. The Bible even alludes to the baptism of infants.
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The Bible even alludes to the baptism of infants.


No such thing. I am sure that you are speaking of places that say that someone was baptized "and their house" which just means everyone was old enough to understand, got saved, and were baptized. It certainly does not mean infants were baptized.

The bible says:

"Acts 8:35-38 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him."

You can see that it was necessary to believe with all your heart before baptism. A infant cannot do that.
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Revelation, there is a vast difference between rejecting the principals of God's Word and sincerely believing that you are following Scripture and are yet in error. I can say with 100% certainty that there are things in Scripture that both you and I have made an error in interpretation on or have misunderstood and therefore are in error in that area. That doesn't mean that I have to separate from you or you from me. The same could be said for LuAnne, Matt, Clarence Sexton, you name it. We are all human and are fallible and subject to error. Being in error is not a sin, choosing to be in error may be a different story.

As far as Paul goes, you don't have any evidence to conclude that he would ever separate from those churches and no historical reference to go by that would indicate he ever did it at all. The Bible is pretty clear about separation from sin, not from sinners, from Christians who dive into sin, not from Christians of differing beliefs.

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No such thing. I am sure that you are speaking of places that say that someone was baptized "and their house" which just means everyone was old enough to understand, got saved, and were baptized. It certainly does not mean infants were baptized.

The bible says:

"Acts 8:35-38 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him."

You can see that it was necessary to believe with all your heart before baptism. A infant cannot do that.


We're getting quite a following of those who don't know the Bible and follow another gospel.
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Where, pt?


Many places. This article sums it up nicely.

http://www.opc.org/new_horizons/NH00/0007c.html

The best response I can give to Revelation's post is that the verse he is quoting is dealing with someone converting from one faith to Christianity, not someone being born to Christian parents and raised in the Church from birth. It's kind of like circumscision. If you are born to Jewish parents, you are circumsized eight days after birth. If you convert to Judahism as an adult, you are circumsized after going through their rite of conversion. The Bible is very clear in the relation between circumscision and baptism

- good grief I am having trouble spelling today but in to big of a hurry to correct. Please forgive.
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Actually, the Bible never links circumcision and baptism. The first was part of Israel's covenant with God, the second is only taught as believers' baptism in the Word of God.

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Enlighten me, what is "another gospel?"


Kevin, With all you claim to know by stating difference churches, denominations, do not teach different paths to heaven, and calling me a liar, I would think at least you would be familiar with another gospel.

Maybe you need to search the Scriptures a little bit more.
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