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Hmmm - this from the fellow who used to say he wouldn't drink 'cause the Bible says it's not wise....

To be perfectly honest, that came more out of fear than out of real conviction. I was brought up my whole life in IFB churches where any form of alcohol was railed on as being from the Devil and how one drink will make you a drunk. So even though I never thought it was wrong(after I studied it out for myself), I was still too afraid to try it and feared that my friends who had wine would become drunks.

Well, guess what, I have a lot of friends who drink wine, as well as beer, and none of them are drunks. Now I can enjoy a glass of wine in the evenings or a glass of beer with my friends at dinner and not feel afraid of it. I've never been drunk and don't have any intention of becoming so.

If my stomch is upset, I use pepto-bismal (and if it's digestion related, there's lots of stuff out there that is healthy - like pineapple - that helps ease digestion prOBlems). No need for wine, small sips or no. And I don't drink soda, either. But soda doesn't intoxicate. Wine does.

That's great, it's a shame Timothy didn't have any pepto-bismal. :frog:
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To be perfectly honest, that came more out of fear than out of real conviction. I was brought up my whole life in IFB churches where any form of alcohol was railed on as being from the Devil and how one drink will make you a drunk. So even though I never thought it was wrong(after I studied it out for myself), I was still too afraid to try it and feared that my friends who had wine would become drunks.

Well, guess what, I have a lot of friends who drink wine, as well as beer, and none of them are drunks. Now I can enjoy a glass of wine in the evenings or a glass of beer with my friends at dinner and not feel afraid of it. I've never been drunk and don't have any intention of becoming so.


That's great, it's a shame Timothy didn't have any pepto-bismal. :frog:

The wine Timothy drank didn't have alcohol added to it. :bleh: Study it out, Kev.

Well, when you made the comment that you wouldn't drink, you were defending those who do...and after you were no longer IFB!
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The wine Timothy drank didn't have alcohol added to it. :bleh: Study it out, Kev.

lol. I did. May I suggest you study it from a non-IFB point of view? :saint2:

Never trust someone who has an agenda.

Well, when you made the comment that you wouldn't drink, you were defending those who do...and after you were no longer IFB!

Yes, I was. I never saw a prOBlem with moderate drinking, but it scared me. When you're raised with things, sometimes it's hard to shake them off, even if you know differently.
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lol. I did. May I suggest you study it from a non-IFB point of view? :saint2:I have, Kevin. I've also studied what history says.

Never trust someone who has an agenda. I don't. Except Christ. He had an agenda that I can agree with. :thumb:


Yes, I was. I never saw a prOBlem with moderate drinking, but it scared me. When you're raised with things, sometimes it's hard to shake them off, even if you know differently. I wasn't raised being taught there was a prOBlem with moderate drinking, Kevin. I was raised, until I was about 10, in a home where "moderate" drinking was practiced. We were not IFB until I was 10 or so, but it wasn't because of becoming IFB that the drinking in our home stopped. It was because of what happened to my dad when he drank "moderately." One beer was all it took - and I'll go into no more details, because things weren't pretty. No thanks. Drinking alcohol in any form for pleasure is unwise. One can say all they want that one drink doesn't hurt. But that isn't true. All alcohol ingested affects the brain.

And Suzy was right on the money when she said alcohol hurts ulcers. We don't know what Timothy's prOBlem was - ulcer or digestive. But I highly doubt that the wine he drank was of the alcohol percentage it is today. (and just how do you know he didn't grow his own grapes??? :lol::lol:


(BTW, Kevin, I know we don't agree on a number of things, but it's good to see you active on here again!)
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I don't. Except Christ. He had an agenda that I can agree with.

lol. I'll agree with you on that one. :thumb:

I wasn't raised being taught there was a prOBlem with moderate drinking, Kevin. I was raised, until I was about 10, in a home where "moderate" drinking was practiced. We were not IFB until I was 10 or so, but it wasn't because of becoming IFB that the drinking in our home stopped. It was because of what happened to my dad when he drank "moderately." One beer was all it took - and I'll go into no more details, because things weren't pretty. No thanks. Drinking alcohol in any form for pleasure is unwise. One can say all they want that one drink doesn't hurt. But that isn't true. All alcohol ingested affects the brain.

That is a very good reason not to drink and I think there are definitely some people who can't handle it in any dosage. For some people, one beer has no effect at all. They are only about 3% alcohol, after all.

And Suzy was right on the money when she said alcohol hurts ulcers. We don't know what Timothy's prOBlem was - ulcer or digestive. But I highly doubt that the wine he drank was of the alcohol percentage it is today. (and just how do you know he didn't grow his own grapes???

lol. I guess it's possible but not likely that he could squeeze out fresh juice whenever the urge hit him. :coolsmiley:

I'm assuming it must not have been an ulcer because Paul wouldn't have recommended wine. Grape juice isn't good for an ulcer either. :icon_smile:
I don't know what percentage of alcohol content the wine had back then. I imagine it would've been something similar to what is drunk in Italy in modern times where you don't have good tap water. They are able to drink it on a regular basis instead of water without feeling the negative effects, mostly because one's body becomes used to the alcohol content in the blood.

I have a friend who took a historical trip to Israel and was there for a while and he said that based on what he learned while there, he would assume that their wine was similar in alcohol content to what we have here.

(BTW, Kevin, I know we don't agree on a number of things, but it's good to see you active on here again!)

Thanks! :icon_smile:
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Amazing what the liquor business will claim to get people to buy their products, many will fall for it, even many Christians, they rather trust man, than God, the old devil is very sneaky. If the old devil can get many well meaning Christians to fall for it, they will be many who will be influence by them and wine will be their downfall destroying their life and their families.

Pr 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Pr 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Pr 23:30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.

Gregg your right, its destroyed many families, and sad to say many Christians will let the stuff flow down their throats while their influence will be leading some to destruction.

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Amazing what the liquor business will claim to get people to buy their products, many will fall for it, even many Christians, they rather trust man, than God, the old devil is very sneaky. If the old devil can get many well meaning Christians to fall for it, they will be many who will be influence by them and wine will be their downfall destroying their life and their families.

Pr 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Pr 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Pr 23:30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.

Gregg your right, its destroyed many families, and sad to say many Christians will let the stuff flow down their throats while their influence will be leading some to destruction.

Instead of just using Proverbs, could you post all the verses in the NT that talk about wine and explain them?
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Amazing what the liquor business will claim to get people to buy their products, many will fall for it, even many Christians, they rather trust man, than God, the old devil is very sneaky. If the old devil can get many well meaning Christians to fall for it, they will be many who will be influence by them and wine will be their downfall destroying their life and their families.

Pr 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Pr 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Pr 23:30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.

Gregg your right, its destroyed many families, and sad to say many Christians will let the stuff flow down their throats while their influence will be leading some to destruction.

Sir, and all who hold to the belief that wine, rather, all alcohol is wrong to consume, even in moderation, please take note of what I have bolded.

(Proverbs 20:1) - "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."

Deceived thereby? That means drunkenness.

(Proverbs 23:29-35) - "Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? {30} They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. {31} Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. {32} At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. {33} Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. {34} Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. {35} They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again."

Woe? Sorrow? Contentions? Babbling? Wounds without cause? Redness of eyes? Tarrying long at the wine? Beholding strange women? Heart uttering perverse things? They've stricken you, and you're not sick? They've beaten you, and you felt it not? When shall I awake, I will seek it yet again?

What is the continuing line here? Drunkenness. Not consuming wine in moderation.
God bless,
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I don't buy the "wine in the Bible was actually water and a little bit of wine" argument. It doesn't make sense historically or Biblically. Look up the history of wine and see if there is anyone out there except ultra-conservative Christians who would make that same argument.

If wine was actually 8 parts water, there would be no reason to warn against it. You couldn't get drunk if you tried. You would be dead of taking in too much water before you would get drunk. Why would Paul warn against bishops being drinkers of "much wine" if you couldn't get drunk off of it? "Bishops shouldn't be drinkers of much wine because they'll spend too much time in the bathroom instead of serving the church." :wink


I believe it does fit into Scripture quite well. When the Bible speaks of wine we have to make three different distinctions. There is wine that people could get drunk off of. There is their everyday wine that was watered down, and then there is just plain old grape juice. The watered down theory makes sense to me. Now the question is which wine is the Bible written about in different places? Also, if you read the article the author named historical evidence as to wine being watered down. I think you should take a better look.

Instead, wine mixed with water was seen as impurity in the Bible. Take a look at Isaiah 1:22:
Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water.


Interesting that you will use the Old Testament when it leans in your favor, but when it does not you reject it.
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I believe it does fit into Scripture quite well. When the Bible speaks of wine we have to make three different distinctions. There is wine that people could get drunk off of. There is their everyday wine that was watered down' date=' and then there is just plain old grape juice. The watered down theory makes sense to me. Now the question is which wine is the Bible written about in different places? Also, if you read the article the author named historical evidence as to wine being watered down. I think you should take a better look. [/quote']
Woah, woah, woah. Wine is wine. Grape juice is not wine. Non-alcoholic wine is not wine...it's grape juice.

If they meant grape juice, either in the Old or the New Testaments, the Lord would have lead them to write that. But He didn't, because it was literally and fully wine.
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@Kevin, I drink tea and soda mostly. Tea cost 3 tea bags and some splenda for a whole pitcher. Soda cost .25 a can if you buy on sale, so a 10 dollar bottle of wine is expensive, as is a 1.25 dollar beer.

That's true. When I was in China, you could get a 20 oz. bottle of beer for 50 cents, though. lol
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I don't buy the "wine in the Bible was actually water and a little bit of wine" argument. It doesn't make sense historically or Biblically. Look up the history of wine and see if there is anyone out there except ultra-conservative Christians who would make that same argument.

Just for the record, Kevin, this has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal. At all. Just the opposite, I would daresay.
(Sorry - I was going to edit this into my most recent post, but editing is disabled).
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Crushmaster.
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so if it's OT we can do away with it?

No, but let's face it, a lot of the OT IS done away with. I'm just saying that it's easy to post verses from Proverbs that at face value seem to be discouraging wine, which as Joel has pointed out, are discouraging drunkeness, while the NT is much more clear on the intake of wine in moderation.
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Sir, and all who hold to the belief that wine, rather, all alcohol is wrong to consume, even in moderation, please take note of what I have bolded.

(Proverbs 20:1) - "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."

Deceived thereby? That means drunkenness.

(Proverbs 23:29-35) - "Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? {30} They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. {31} Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. {32} At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. {33} Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. {34} Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. {35} They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again."

Woe? Sorrow? Contentions? Babbling? Wounds without cause? Redness of eyes? Tarrying long at the wine? Beholding strange women? Heart uttering perverse things? They've stricken you, and you're not sick? They've beaten you, and you felt it not? When shall I awake, I will seek it yet again?

What is the continuing line here? Drunkenness. Not consuming wine in moderation.
God bless,
Crushmaster.

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No, but let's face it, a lot of the OT IS done away with. I'm just saying that it's easy to post verses from Proverbs that at face value seem to be discouraging wine, which as Joel has pointed out, are discouraging drunkeness, while the NT is much more clear on the intake of wine in moderation.


No -the only thing done away with in the OT is the ceremonial law which pointed people to Christ. The principles found within the OT are still good.
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