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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

Dr. James Dobson

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How could Schuller have any impact on "real, Christian that is made righteous in God's eye's only because covered by the Blood of Christ" when Schuller wasn't even a Christian from anything I ever heard him say. Isn't this the man that "teaches" from the Crystal Cathedral?? If so, then anyone following him is in need of a "real" salvation experience or have been mislead if saved and NEED to read their Bible!! :icon_pray: His by Grace


Psychology is more about self help, feeling real good about ones self, self strength, your a great person, and face it Schuller has had a big impact on Christens accepting psychology. His little books have showed up in the mail box of many households, even many Baptist are very accepting of his teachings, and reads his books faithfully.

Now, there are a few, but very few, Christian Psychologist out there who totaly use the Bible and leave man's teachings out of it. Any time you mix mans Psychology teachings with the Bible you come up with less than God's truth.
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This analogy is ridiculous. You can reject a teaching if ungodliness or a "little bit" of sexual perversion was thrown into it. In fact, Christ warned of a little leaven that leavens the whole lump.


Kevin was simply stating that you can't reject a teaching based on the person teaching it. You have to debunk teachings based on Biblical principles. I agree with Kevin. If I rejected teachings just because atheists were teaching them there are things inherently true that I would have to reject. There are atheists who teach that abortion is wrong. If we went by some peoples standards on this board that means we would have to reject this teaching because an atheist taught it. We don't reject teachings based on who teaches them but rather on what the Bible teaches. So, no Kevin's analogy is not ridiculous.
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When the cripple was lowered down thru the roof to have Jesus see him. It say's there in scripture the man was healed by the Faith OF his Friend's. So, Paul wasn't healed for lack of faith? We know this wasn't the case because the Lord Jesus told us so! Sometimes 100% of depending on Christ involves our doing what He tell's us to do! Can you see that? Taking medication's just to be able to walk, swallow and write. Some christian's would say having to do so is a lack of faith in Christ being our all sufficient one. I see in taking these medication's that a Christian is trusting the Lord to work thru medicine to help His children. He gave man the knowledge!! Would you not go to the ER if you thought you were having a cardiac arrest?? If you would ,then by your diffinition your lacking in faith in the Lord?! If you don't agree then please explain. :icon_pray:In Christ. His by Grace


http://www.ukapologetics.net/1hurting.htm

http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/talebearing.html

http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/exmyth63.html

When our Lord and Savior are not enough, them we lack faith.

I prOBably should not have posted the 1st one, but I was in bit of a hurry and did not look long enough, but as I said earlier, Schuller has had a big effect on the acceptance of Psychology by todays Christians.
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:amen::amen::amen: I agree 100%!! I do think most are spiritual issues or shall I dare even suggest...let's just say in need of salvation. BUT a true Christian Psycologist is a different ballgame altogether! That is why Christian Colleges shouldn't be shying away from true Christian Psycology but embrassing teaching correct Christian Psycology so as to fill that need. This is just my opinion I realize but please understand the diffinition I gave about a real Christian Psycologist!:icon_pray: In Christ, His by Grace




I sure would agree with that. I believe that the majority of mental health issues in America are related to spiritual prOBlems. Medication may control those mental health issues to a point, but often times it is treating the symptoms and not the cause and sometimes that makes things even worse. There is a reason why larger and larger numbers of Americans are having mental health issues. Science itself has been finding out that some of the best things you can do to maintain mental health is to just be kind and do right while knowingly doing wrong has the reverse effect. There is a reason why so many people in the jails have or develop mental health issues, it is a common symptom of the choices they have made. That is what the bible teaches too:

"Proverbs 3:7-8 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones."

"Proverbs 11:17 The merciful man doeth good to his own soul: but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh."
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Myers-Briggs Type Indicators and Strong Interest Inventory have been used for years in the work place for determining employee behavioral styles and what jOB would interest them most. While I don't think they are 100%, there is much there that is beneficial. That would be a type of psychology being used in a practical way that really has nothing to do with trying to "exorcise" a person's sins, etc.

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I sure would agree with that. I believe that the majority of mental health issues in America are related to spiritual prOBlems. Medication may control those mental health issues to a point, but often times it is treating the symptoms and not the cause and sometimes that makes things even worse. There is a reason why larger and larger numbers of Americans are having mental health issues. Science itself has been finding out that some of the best things you can do to maintain mental health is to just be kind and do right while knowingly doing wrong has the reverse effect. There is a reason why so many people in the jails have or develop mental health issues, it is a common symptom of the choices they have made. That is what the bible teaches too:

"Proverbs 3:7-8 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones."

"Proverbs 11:17 The merciful man doeth good to his own soul: but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh."


Good post Seth.
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OBviously this thread is hi-jacked (which I think is great and carrying a good topic of discussion), but I want to point out that with everything that God has made, men will use it to do evil. That said, just because men have used something for evil does not make that thing evil. The reality is that God designed something very good in us and we use it every day if we are even the least bit successful in our jOBs, our relationships, our child rearing, and our being a witness. Psychology is something that is and will be a part of our lives and can either be used for good by understanding and applying it or for bad by foolishly discarding it and pretending it doesn't exist by God's design or by studying it for the intended use of deception and manipulation. Understanding how we feel and think and react and learning how to recognize and overcome our psychological weaknesses through the Lord's teaching is key to becoming better and stronger Christians. It has nothing to do with a "feel good" "I can do anything in and of myself" attitude. It's about learning and growing in the Lord through understanding where we are and where He wants us to be. Also, understanding our past can only aide us in maturing in the future. Just as understanding the beginning and the Law and the prophets only helps us more to understand our Lord and Savior and what He did for us.

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Myers-Briggs Type Indicators and Strong Interest Inventory have been used for years in the work place for determining employee behavioral styles and what jOB would interest them most. While I don't think they are 100%, there is much there that is beneficial. That would be a type of psychology being used in a practical way that really has nothing to do with trying to "exorcise" a person's sins, etc.

I agree. I love taking those tests. :frog:

I've never heard of psychology meant to exorcise a person's sins, though I know a lot of psychologists are very humanistic in their views but that comes with the humanizing of our culture. There are certainly good Christian psychologists out there that use the principals of the Bible in coincidence with the medical/scientific principles of psychology. Not really much different than what Answers in Genesis does with the evolution/creationism debate.
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When the cripple was lowered down thru the roof to have Jesus see him. It say's there in scripture the man was healed by the Faith OF his Friend's. So, Paul wasn't healed for lack of faith? We know this wasn't the case because the Lord Jesus told us so! Sometimes 100% of depending on Christ involves our doing what He tell's us to do! Can you see that? Taking medication's just to be able to walk, swallow and write. Some christian's would say having to do so is a lack of faith in Christ being our all sufficient one. I see in taking these medication's that a Christian is trusting the Lord to work thru medicine to help His children. He gave man the knowledge!! Would you not go to the ER if you thought you were having a cardiac arrest?? If you would ,then by your diffinition your lacking in faith in the Lord?! If you don't agree then please explain. :icon_pray:In Christ. His by Grace


I've got no prOBlem with a person going to their PCP and taking medication that he prescribes, but I am not fond of the mind altering drugs given by psychologist, I've seen many of them given to my sister over the years and the side effects it has given her that are not reversible. I think that in cases like her, the use of these drugs over years has prOBably made her worse than what she would be if she had never taken them. I've made this know to several psychologist over the past few years, strange, a couple of them agreed with me but stated we were at a point to take her off of them would even make her worse.
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Jerry8#######, I can understand where your coming from with your sister. I am so so sorry this has led to her having what sound to be bad side affects. Am I understanding that right? She recieved those "mind altering" med's from a psycologist. Have you ever given any thought to not only psycologist give "mind altering" medication's but so do Physicians in the Field of Neurology? Many diseases of the brain fall under their care and they do perscribe "mind altering" medication's. Would you feel the same about their perscribing medications? If this would be different then why? I'm trying to see how your viewing this! in Christ, His by Grace




I've got no prOBlem with a person going to their PCP and taking medication that he prescribes, but I am not fond of the mind altering drugs given by psychologist, I've seen many of them given to my sister over the years and the side effects it has given her that are not reversible. I think that in cases like her, the use of these drugs over years has prOBably made her worse than what she would be if she had never taken them. I've made this know to several psychologist over the past few years, strange, a couple of them agreed with me but stated we were at a point to take her off of them would even make her worse.
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