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    • Nuff said..... I am out. No accusation - your starting position is the same as Thomas - I  WILL NOT BELIEVE...…. This attitude displayed in your responses to anyone who has tried to help, and displayed further in the quotes above tells me that you are not actually after answers You are convinced that the Bible is not true, and until you move from that premise you cannot make any forward progress. You need to worry less about what men like CS Lewis or Peterson say and try studying the Bible in order to answer your own questions. You are obviously not interested in what other people have to say (because you reject it without consideration), so the ONLY course of action for you to take is to diligently study the Word of God and find the answers for yourself. If you are indeed in any way interested in getting the answers...…. Have fun, but I will take no further part.
    • To Mr. DaveW: I chose this name ironically because I predicted that accusation would come out at one point or another. The truth is that I'm not like doubting Thomas, who saw Jesus perform miracles on countless occasions, and personally heard his sermons and speech 24/7 (including the parts where Jesus said he would die and be resurrected) only to abandon his faith the week things looked bad. Doubting Thomas did have proof of the things he believed, then turned away out of fear. The difference is that I have no such proof. I desperately want to believe in biblical inerrancy; my fear is pushing me towards blind acceptance, not away like Thomas. I wouldn't be on this forum asking for help if that wasn't so. But where Thomas abandoned what he knew to be true out of fear, I am reluctantly remaining in this position because I love truth and will not move out of fear or any other emotion, just logic. My heart won't move my brain, I will only move when I think it is right. And I think this is how Christians are supposed to act (remember Jeremiah's 'the heart is deceitful above all things' line?). But to humor you, I'll perform a little exercise. 1. Ok, I now believe in inerrancy 2. Oh wait, here are some passages that contradict, does this mean the Bible is errant? 3. Let's pray, study, and ask some people for help: 4. Ok, I hear some kinda-sorta explanations, but they all rely on the authors suddenly talking in weird, unnatural ways or having strange secret meanings that mean the opposite of what words used in that combination usually mean. Either way, these explanations clearly don't jive with the author's obvious meanings. 5. Huh, well that was no help, I wish somebody had a real explanation that didn't involve grammatical gymnastics, or failing that, could prove that faith is valid even without the Bible, because I'm feeling pretty lost 6. Oh, well here we are in the exact same place as before I did start from a position of faith, that's exactly why I'm in this unenviable position. Now I don't know how to verify that anything in the Bible is true. Maybe it's like CS Lewis said about Genesis and Job, or what Jordan Peterson says about it all, that they're all just stories like Aesop's Fables. Holy no doubt, and full of knowledge and life lessons, but fictional all the same. That's a very discomforting thought to me; in fact almost torturous, but the one thing I do know is that God loves truth and hates lies, if it is possible to find the way, the truth, and the life, I must cling only to things I know are true and not follow anything that I don't. However badly I want it to be, the Bible is not something I know to be true, but that's why I'm asking to be convinced in a logical, truthful, un-deceptive manner. I feel like the answers you have given me are deceptive; reliant on little tricky plays on words and foggy/unclear. However, like I said, I'm in a really tough spot, and I really do appreciate the effort you've put in to read and respond to my posts, even if I do end up finding them unhelpful sometimes. P.S. As to your comments regarding Mr. Wretched... I mean, come on. I do appreciate his attempt to help, but do you really think repetition of full books will resolve this issue?
    • Your beginning premise is wrong. Your beginning is that the Bible is NOT TRUE, and you are asking people to prove to you that it is true. This is you (and I suspect why you have chosen that name....): Joh 20:24-25 (24)  But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. (25)  The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.   This is the clear attitude that you have displayed in your answers. In contrast to your dismissing of Wretched's comments, I point you to what Jesus said to Thomas: Joh 20:29 (29)  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Thomas said he would not believe unless he had 100%solid proof, but the Lord said it is more blessed to believe WITHOUT THAT 100% solid proof. I can show you verse after verse after verse after verse that are absolutely 100% true and accurate, and you are sweeping aside any explanation that you do not like for three passages that YOU find doubtful.  You are beginning from the premise that the Bible is in error, and asking people to prove to you that what you have already decided is false, is true. From that starting point, you cannot come to real faith in either the Lord or in His Word. I am not asking you to believe in "blind faith", but to start from a position of faith, not a position of opposition.  
    • To Mr. Wretched: I'm only skittish because I believe that is away, not towards God. That's the sort of thing pagans and Muslims have to do alot; memorization and recitations for salvation, but to my knowledge that's never something God has asked or required.
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