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    • According to the Romans 9: 3-5 AND 6 God disagrees with you. If you were right, and there was no longer a nation of Israel after Jesus Came, then WHY does God refer to national Israel as Israel? It really is not that hard to understand. And you still haven't introduced yourself in the intro section...…. That also is not hard to do, nor is it hard to understand why you should do it.
    • As I stated before...In regard to the context of Romans 11.... The Wild Branches in the context of Romans 11 are those who in spite of being born in other nations that had no covenant of service with God (Bands), going their own ways, and therefor no oil flowing to them, they heard the words of Life and were graphed in to the Tree Of Life (Beauty). In Paul's day only the Jews were teaching the precepts of God and were therefor the natural Branches that led to the tree of life. Today the natural branches are those born to Godly Families of all nations that attend Godly churches that "flow the oil" by teaching Christ. These are the churches that are lead by the seven angels to which flow the light of Christ. They were present in the synagogues of the Jews and they are present today in the churches of Christ. Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. 1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. Zechariah 4:2-3 and said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold [the churches synagogues], with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: 3 and two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.....11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side  thereof? 12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches [bands and beauty, Moses and Elijah, law and grace,] which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength....20 the mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches....Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent....Revelation 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Zechariah 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
    • Oh you mean this verse 6: 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: You mean this verse where God makes a distinction between physical Israel, STILL CALLING THEM ISRAEL. Why would God refer to them as Israel, if He no longer considered them to be Israel? So this verse, like the previous ones I mentioned, STILL POSE THE PROBLEM for you that God Himself continues to make the distinction and refer to national Israel as Israel. Now are you seriously suggesting that the covenants etc are not regarding national Israel, "of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came"...? 4  Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;   5  Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. You need to understand context, because vs 3, vs 4, and vs 5 are all referring to national Israel. Paul designates it in vs 3, and national Israel is ABSOLUTELY still the subject and the people through whom Christ came.  You cannot change the context at a whim.
    • Next time you post, I expect you to claim something else is the Olive Tree in Romans 11.  So far in this thread, instead of the correct answer of Israel, we have the Promise itself, Jesus, David, and now the Tree of Life have all been offered as the Olive Tree in Romans 11.   Who are the natural branches of the Tree of Life?   
    • Verse six, which you didn't quote, nullifies your position. Yes, the Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory... but the adoption, glory, etc does not apply to all of Paul's kinsmen according to the flesh, because not all Israel (the flesh) is Israel (of God).  And, then Paul goes on to belabor that point.    

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