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    • I am persuaded by the scriptures you mention and the scripture I have mentioned support that the errors of the 'Chosen' don't give rise to a non-Biblical Christ. Yes, they have embellished the story of Christ's life but I've seen no attack on Christ's deity. I've not heard this program denies the birth-death-resurrection Gospel of Jesus Christ. Neither have I heard that there is rejection that Jesus the Christ "is come in the flesh." The episodes I watched taught a Christ of miracles only very God could perform. I would further say, I've not heard of revival as a result. If the 'Chosen' does further the Gospel, like Paul, "I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice." I don't see my reasoning as reprehensible toward my Savior or His Word.  
    • I think that is wise advice for relationships in the home. When it comes to a bear attack, I think it's quite right for adults to protect the children first. Other adults are presumably capable of removing themselves from teh situation (and frankly, no mother I know would leave without ensuring her child was safe anyways, so the dad could fight her to move her, or move the child and she'll come along. 😄 )   
    • I was watching a video, the other night, in which a man, his wife, and child were attacked by a bear while on a camping trip. I thought it odd that all the guy could talk about was protecting his child; never once mentioned his wife. Then I'm reminded of my wife telling me when she learned about how her older parents, after the kids had all left home, got along great while alone, but got into conflict whenever the kids came for a visit. I wonder why? Then I've heard many times, spouses saying that "my kids come first". That sounds good, on the surface, but is it? Here is an article, by a psychologist, which sheds some light on this very crucial subject. (I hope it's Ok to post the link)  https://www.theknot.com/content/choosing-between-child-and-spouse Here is a short excerpt... But, this gem of wisdom is not new.  Notice "hubby" is listed first? Why would the Bible say that young women, who typically say "I put my kids first", need to be  taught to love their children? I don't know for sure, But, from what I have seen, if spouses do not put each other first, there will be conflict in the home the children will not get the love they need and it's the kids who end up losing in the end.
    • I apologize for the length of this post, but I believe it is all necessary to the point I am making. My wife, oldest son (32) and I were having a discussion last week that dovetails very nicely into this topic, but first a little background: My son is currently going through a divorce (not of his choosing) from a woman he still adores. Unfortunately, she has put herself on a path of self-destruction and is suspected by various therapists to suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder. Neither of them is saved, but my son was raised in a fundamental KJV Christian home and holds to most, if not all, of those moral standards. I describe him as the best unsaved Christian you could ever meet, and most of his acquaintances are surprised when they find he is not a Christian. His wife said, when she first got to know him, that he talked and acted different from anyone she had ever met before. Regretfully he never truly accepted the Lord as savior and his college “science” studies (Summa Cum Laude in Chemistry) did nothing but drive him further away from belief in a creator (of any description). Still, he is very respectful and always open to discussing Christianity (or any religion) so long as the discussion stays respectful and non-argumentative (i.e., rational and philosophical). He sees value in religion (especially Christianity) as a means whereby mankind has been able to avert the “survival of the fittest” anarchy that should inherently come from what evolutionary theory offers but is unwilling to cede that any religion is necessary to meet that end. He believes (tenuously I think) that man, on his own, was able to determine that “survival of the fittest” is best achieved by communal support and agreement and naturally works to that end. Our son continues to see his marriage counselor (alone) to help him understand his part in all this (minimal) and his best path forward. He is most interested in how he can better himself and his contribution to society, meet people with similar standards and goals, and ultimately to find someone that he can share his life with. To this last point he has looked into almost every “reputable” dating app out there and has been utterly disappointed with the quality of potential partners, seeing most as shallow and self-serving with none of the moral fiber he (now more than ever) sees as mandatory element in any relationship. He has made the comment (more than once) that he feels the only place he could likely find the woman best suited for him is in a solid Christian Church, but he can’t bring himself to do that because he knows that would be a sham: he would be lying to himself and any potential partner; exactly what he is trying to avoid. Like me, my son is an introvert and going out to meet new people and explore new social venues is very difficult for him. His therapist is a 7th Day Adventist who is very active in his church (“Bible” Study leader), and he invited my son to come out and see if he couldn’t connect with someone at his church. He said that his church isn’t the “preachy” kind but is actually more like a social club of people who are seeking ways to better themselves and find that the moral structure found in the Bible is a potential means to that end. My son took him up on his offer and has gone to his studies (not the service) for the past two weeks. The conversations have been (so far) along the lines of the age-old argument about why good people suffer and bad people seem to be blessed. My son’s participation has been minimal (introvert) but this has gotten him to thinking and discussing these issues with us afterwards. I can say, through hopeful tears, that God is working in my son through all of this. I see his wall of defiance beginning to crumble and he is beginning to feel the pain of the pricks against which he has been kicking for so many years. Please pray for him, and us as we try to use this opportunity to lead him to Christ. With this background in mind, we were led into our Laodicean conversation last weekend. My son was talking about good and evil, and his ultimate point was that everyone makes a choice to either take the path of good or to take the path of evil. At this point I said that is not necessarily true, especially in the day and age we currently find ourselves. Many today aren’t choosing good or evil, they are simply choosing not to pick a side and just let life take its course. Absolutely indifferent to the consequences it is all about what is in it for me. How can I best profit myself? How can I have the best time? How can I have the most “friends”? The best image? This is exactly what sent my son’s wife off. She isn’t an evil person, quite the contrary, but she didn’t like the rules she felt a respectable marriage was imposing on her. She developed FOMO (Fear of missing out). She didn’t like the structure or the responsibility brought about with a secure marriage and so she chose to leave. There is no animus on her part; she actually told my son that they could remain friends and even go back to dating from time to time, which my son can’t do. I honestly do not believe that she sees her actions as good or evil (even though the consequences are tearing my son’s heart to shreds). Now she goes about living life to the fullest and sharing all her adventures on her Facebook page just as if she had never been married. She doesn’t see the consequences outside of her own limited self-view. I believe this life perspective is rapidly taking hold in America. While this attitude is not new, I believe that it picked up momentum post WWII, accelerated with the Boomers, and blossomed with the Millennials (which I like to call ME-llenials because it’s all about me). If you think about it, this is a natural development based on America’s drift away from God and the Bible and toward Darwinism. If there is no God than all that matters is me. What is in it for me? There is no thought of good or evil, just what is in it for me. This is Laodicea. Revelation 3:14-17 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: Neither cold nor hot. Neither good nor evil. Lukewarm. All about me. I am not a bad person, I don’t want to hurt anyone, I just want what is best for me, “what I deserve”. Unfortunately, we are seeing this creep into many churches. A growing number of churches are opening themselves up to the music and pageantry that will bring these people in. They feel they have to accommodate that need of self-gratification that is now so prevalent in our society in order to bring people in to fill the pews. Like the 7th Day Adventist Church my son has been going to, they are becoming Laodicean.
    • Yes, Revelation 2-3 give the progressive history of the church age, until the return of the Lord Jesus Christ at the rapture, then the events of the tribulation follow. Laodicea is the characteristic of most of the churches just prior to the return of Christ. You can also see the same spiritual degeneration in Matthew 13, 2 Timothy 3 and other passages.
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