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E Morales
E Morales

Should Christians tithe during the corona virus? 


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I believe Yes, if you are still at work and getting paid. No, if you are not working, lost your job, or getting unemployment. God does not need to test every single person for their faithfulness, especially during these trouble times.

What is your opinion? 

 

 

 



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First, let me apologize for lying. I said that I was done here; however, I believe that it's more important to respond...

Next, in response to what Bro. Scott said in the following...

On 6/1/2020 at 9:37 AM, Pastor Scott Markle said:

I would request that you would not leave Online Baptist completely over this matter.

...that is not why I'm leaving.

I just chose this issue to make my final statement.

Several things have gone on here over the years that have burdened my heart.

For example, when I saw how totoosart (spelling ?) was attacked (when the attackers didn't take him nor his situation into account) rather than trying to help him or teach him...it literally broke my heart. 

Robycop has been told not to post his "anti-KJV only & KJV only myth" propaganda time and time again; or else, he would be banned. Yet, he still posts it, and he's just told the same thing again. He's still here...waiting to stick it in here again after things have died down.

There are other things, but that's just a sampling...

On 6/3/2020 at 9:32 AM, PastorMatt said:

I was unemployed but still had some income coming in so I gave.

Again...with all due respect, that's not biblical tithing unless you gave 10% of your cattle and crops to the tribe of Levi.

What that is, is biblical New Testament giving; which is, what New Testament believers are told to do.

The only time "money" was associated with tithing was if someone's tithe of their cattle and crops was too large for them to take to the temple in Jerusalem to give to the tribe of Levi (because the tribe of Levi had no land to raise cattle nor crops). If that was the case, they could sell their tithe, and then they could buy back the cattle/crops once arriving at Jerusalem...in order to give Levi a tenth of their cattle and crops.

On 6/1/2020 at 6:42 PM, John Young said:

I've never had to decide between the two and they are both for my family's good. If I can't spare 10% of my worldly goods to provide for my spiritual family and the spiritual well being of my physical family then the 100% of my worldly goods going to only physical things won't help me or them either.

...and that's why I said the following...

On 6/1/2020 at 5:02 AM, No Nicolaitans said:

Which takes priority...tithing or providing for your family?

There are consequences to both.

Don't answer here (or to yourself) unless you've had to make a decision between the two.

...but you answered anyway?

Life isn't so cut-and-dried. I had always been told and believed that New Testament Christians should tithe. When I became a preacher, I preached it...I preached it hard.

I don't know you nor your situation. I may be speaking out of turn here, but until you've had a wife and two children with major health problems (or any other major financial needs), you might not answer until you've actually had to make that decision. 

There I was...a staunch believer in tithing (and I tithed willingly and happily), going deeper and deeper into debt. We were literally buying gas with credit cards just to be able to go to church. I could have taken the easy way out and allowed you and other Americans to pay for my family's health bills by signing up for government assistance...but I didn't...and I knew (and know) many Christians who do. I hope and pray that you never have to know anything about what my family has been through.

We were told...just keep tithing. God will take care of your finances. Again...this coming from people who had never dealt with what we did. So...I kept tithing even though it was taking away from my family. It reached a point where I either had to tithe or put groceries on the table.

I chose to take care of my family.

On 6/1/2020 at 6:29 PM, John Young said:

I've always taught a freewill tithe.

John, there's no such thing.

Melchizedek gave a tenth of what he won in battle...not his own personal income.

Tithing was a command for Israel...nothing to do with "freewill".

On 6/1/2020 at 6:29 PM, John Young said:

The New Testament church is structured after the Melchizedek priesthood

No. Christ is a priest after the order of Melchizedek.

On 6/1/2020 at 6:29 PM, John Young said:

Paul makes it clear that he has a right to be paid,

I agree...but that's not all that 2 Corinthians 9 is about.

On 6/1/2020 at 6:29 PM, John Young said:

If they are to be paid then our example to teach is the tithe

No it's not. Our example is to give as God has prospered us. THAT'S WHAT THE NEW TESTAMENT TEACHES. Some people may be prospered where they can give more than "a tithe" of their income (which isn't a biblical tithe). Whereas, some may not have been prospered to give hardly anything...if anything at all.

On 6/1/2020 at 6:29 PM, John Young said:

a free will and cheerful heart.

...we should give...not tithe.

Okay. I'm done and have said more than I should. I've also given more insight into my family's personal business than I should. John, you answered the question that I asked not to be answered unless you have had to make that decision...which I can only assume from your answer...you haven't had to make that decision. I hope you never do.

However, you didn't answer these questions...

On 5/31/2020 at 4:23 AM, No Nicolaitans said:

Can anyone show from God's word where New Testament Christians are asked or commanded to tithe from their income?

Can anyone show from God's word where God changed the who, what, where, why, and when of his description of the tithe....

1. Who was to tithe?

2. What was to be tithed?

3. Where was the tithe taken?

4. Why they should tithe?

5. When were they to tithe?

 

I'm not asking you to answer this, because you can't. No one can. God never changed it. Man did.

 

On 6/1/2020 at 6:29 PM, John Young said:

(1 Corinthians 9)

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9 For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:

2 For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.

3 Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready:

4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.

5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.

6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)

11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.

12 For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;

13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;

14 And by their prayer for you, which long after you for the exceeding grace of God in you.

15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.

 


Nothing about tithing there. It's about giving as a man purposes in his heart to the needs of others...other believers and those who have ministered to them. 
They who sow sparingly shall reap sparingly. Those who sow bountifully shall reap bountifully.

That's not a threat as many preachers try to make it out to be. It's a principle.

Some people may sow bountifully if they give $5. Others will reap sparingly if they give only $5.

Inject $1 or $1000 there. It's all the same. You give as God has prospered you...not a set amount of 10% of your income...and not a starting point of 10% of you income. 

Some people (who only give 10% of their income) aren't giving as God has prospered them...they could give a lot more. So, some pastors are actually teaching people to disobey God in that respect.

Then again, 10% of one's income isn't biblical tithing either.

Just this month, I have finally paid off the remainder of our debt that we accumulated after all of those years. Did God forsake my family and me because we weren't "tithing"? No. Why would he? We gave as we purposed in our heart and as we were prospered...just like he told us to do in his word.

Now...I've said my peace. Again, I'm not leaving this forum over this matter. 

I wish you all of the best.

Take care, and may the Lord bless you all.

Respectfully,

No Nicolaitans

 

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4 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Take care, and may the Lord bless you all.

Sorry to have you leave. I do hope you return but if not, please know, I have enjoyed reading your perspectives on various things on the forum, even if we have differed over a few things. You will be missed by many here and we wish the same blessings for you.

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On 5/31/2020 at 2:47 PM, E Morales said:

Does God really need our money? His ministry will continue with your tithe or not, with a church building or not. Mans focus sometimes is on what he can see, and not in faith. If the Pastor knows how much you are tithing, this is sin. Because this brings favortizium.

unh hug GIF by University of New Hampshire

Use some restraint, you don't know my Pastor's heart, you don't know mine either.  Don't tithe if it troubles you...it doesn't trouble me...it's only a starting point for me.

 

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On 6/1/2020 at 3:50 AM, No Nicolaitans said:

First, I respect you deeply...I want you to know that.

Secondly, God never put any stipulations nor commands regarding the air we breath that I'm aware of.

Thirdly, since you responded after my post, would you be willing to answer the following questions that I posed?
 


I'm not trying to stir up any controversy. I just want answers.

I've been on both sides in my life as a believer...to tithe or not tithe (but give).  

 

O.K. I understand you aren't attempting to fight, me either.  

I tithe because of my heart not because of a commandment. I do it cheerfully to the Lord as a means of supporting the building I worship in, the staff, and the ministries of our local congregation. As I told E. Morales it's a starting point for me. My local church has many other needs which the Lord has blessed me with funds to support. It's my choice. So, give or tithe or whatever you want to call it but only because you believe God is pleased and you desire to grow in this grace also.  

1. Who was to tithe? Me 2. What was to be tithed? one tenth of my income 3. Where was the tithe taken? to my local church 4. Why they I should tithe? to provide for the preacher and ministies of my local church 5. When were they was I to tithe? on the first day of the week.

I will say I don't understand why discussion can become tense when someone says they tithe 10% of their income. If you're contemplating the words tithe or give consider this...  Matthew 9:5   For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? I believe our Lord would think the tithe/give distinction trivial.

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@No Nicolaitans

I said

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 "I was unemployed but still had some income coming in so I gave."

You replied:

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"Again...with all due respect, that's not biblical tithing unless you gave 10% of your cattle and crops to the tribe of Levi.

What that is, is biblical New Testament giving; which is, what New Testament believers are told to do."

I said I gave, you said I was giving😕  **I'm confused as to what you are refuting**

Sorry to see ya leave. Door is always open for you. God Bless.

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On 6/12/2020 at 8:26 AM, PastorMatt said:

I said I gave, you said I was giving😕  **I'm confused as to what you are refuting**

I believe that his point was that the Biblical doctrine of New Testament GIVING should NOT be equated with the Biblical doctrine of Old Testament TITHING.  Furthermore, I believe that his point was that when we preach and teach the details of Old Testament tithing as if they are for the New Testament believer, we are preaching and teaching falsely and are doing a Biblical disservice to New Testament believers (placing upon them a mandate that the Lord our God never intended).

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Yes, of course ... and we should tithe. Tithing teaches us to discipline ourselves and also helps our brothers and sisters and their children. Here are my personal financial rules.

 

  1. Tithe, gross not net.
  2. Tithe to yourself by saving at least 10%. The savings are not just for you but also to so you will have resources to help others God brings into your life.
  3. Never go into debt for anything that depreciates in value.
  4. Live beneath your means.
  5. Be generous to others, be stingy to yourself. 

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Brethren,

I purposely have not written in this thread as I generally do not tell the saints how or what to give and I did not want to offend anyone here on Online Baptist concerning giving. I do concentrate on the motive and the willingness to serve the Lord in all aspects (including giving). I have previously given my thoughts on this matter, giving, on the following devotion to anybody who wants to know how I feel. The devotion is how I explain giving at our church. You will notice that I handle it a little differently than usual.

Alan

 

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We can't allow a person's description of their giving to become a division between brothers. It has to end, eternity is a long time and our Lord won't allow disputes in heaven. So, it is best, I believe to "Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory;" Philippians 2:1-5... Amen?

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