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E Morales
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Should Christians tithe during the corona virus? 


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I believe Yes, if you are still at work and getting paid. No, if you are not working, lost your job, or getting unemployment. God does not need to test every single person for their faithfulness, especially during these trouble times.

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Well, I do not believe tithing is a NT principle in the first place, but giving definitely is, so I will approach from that perspective:

As far as, should Christians keep giving? Absolutely! As we are prospered, so we ought to give to God's work. Of course, those out of work, on furloughs, laid-off, etc, well, see to your family first; many are out of work so they cannot be expected to continue. Church expenses should be a bit down for buildings, in power usage and without normal activities, but I also know utility companies and mortgage companies are being told to give breaks during this time, as well. 

This is also a good time for believers to practice helping one another, as those who are still working should help see to the needs of those members who cannot right now. This is also a basic Bible principle. Brethren in need, don't hide your needs from those who are still doing alright-we need to know your plight if we are to help. Brethren who are still working, time to put basic NT tenets to work! Don't be stingy with what God prospers you with.

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Even if one holds to a "tithe principle", $0 x 10% = $0. So, at $0 you've still tithed.

Offerings and alms - there's another story. If the Lord leads - it doesn't matter what financial wisdom dictates (just like pre-COVID or mid-employment times)

This post is intended to approach from the side of any who may hold to a NT "tithe" in an effort to avoid the thread from being sidetracked into a tithe fight.

 

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Mega churches, which I do not prefer attending, are struggling I believe. Let's change it to love offerings. Should it be the member fault, that a church income need to be 0ver 25.000 dollar a week? There are churches that care more for their own income needs, then its members needs. They are telling members to give no matter what, Is this God's plan? This does not change my open view of this post, tithe or to give love offering, same thing.

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3 minutes ago, E Morales said:

Mega churches, which I do not prefer attending, are struggling I believe. Let's change it to love offerings. Should it be the member fault, that a church income need to be 0ver 25.000 dollar a week? There are churches that care more for their own income needs, then its members needs. They are telling members to give no matter what, Is this God's plan? This does not change my opening view of this post, tithe or to give love offering, same thing.

 

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To answer the original question of should Christians tithe during the corona virus? 

YES!!!

I understand times are tough, but even when I was unemployed, I still gave what I believe God was telling me to give. Follow God's leading, He'll never leave nor forsake you. 

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10 hours ago, PastorMatt said:

To answer the original question of should Christians tithe during the corona virus? 

YES!!!

I understand times are tough, but even when I was unemployed, I still gave what I believe God was telling me to give. Follow God's leading, He'll never leave nor forsake you. 

YES! You should have waited until more have seen this before giving away the answer :91_thumbsup:. YES!

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yes, why wouldn't you? There's always something going on in the world to make an excuse not to tithe. Obviously, if you lost your job and have no income you cannot tithe. But if you get unemployment during this period, you should be tithing off of it.

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14 minutes ago, Miss Daisy said:

if you lost your job and have no income you cannot tithe

Well, technically if you do tithe whenever you do have income, and have the desire to tithe even when you do not have income, then you are still tithing... 😀

I've also always considered the tithe more than just income but rather includes all that we have been blessed with. Time, talents, treasures, and our praises, etc

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Can anyone show from God's word where New Testament Christians are asked or commanded to tithe from their income?

Can anyone show from God's word where God changed the who, what, where, why, and when of his description of the tithe....

1. Who was to tithe?

2. What was to be tithed?

3. Where was the tithe taken?

4. Why they should tithe?

5. When were they to tithe?

Each of these have been changed by someone, but it wasn't God who changed it.

Edited by No Nicolaitans
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On 4/28/2020 at 8:50 AM, PastorMatt said:

YES!!!

I understand times are tough, but even when I was unemployed, I still gave what I believe God was telling me to give.

Emphasis by No Nonicolaitans

With all due respect, that's not tithing.

That's giving.

...which New Testament Christians are supposed to do.

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6 hours ago, 1Timothy115 said:

Without reservation...God didn't stop giving us air to breath, so...tithe!

 

Does God really need our money? His ministry will continue with your tithe or not, with a church building or not. Mans focus sometimes is on what he can see, and not in faith. If the Pastor knows how much you are tithing, this is sin. Because this brings favortizium.

unh hug GIF by University of New Hampshire

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19 hours ago, 1Timothy115 said:

Without reservation...God didn't stop giving us air to breath, so...tithe!

First, I respect you deeply...I want you to know that.

Secondly, God never put any stipulations nor commands regarding the air we breath that I'm aware of.

Thirdly, since you responded after my post, would you be willing to answer the following questions that I posed?
 

23 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Can anyone show from God's word where God changed the who, what, where, why, and when of his description of the tithe....

1. Who was to tithe?

2. What was to be tithed?

3. Where was the tithe taken?

4. Why they should tithe?

5. When were they to tithe?


I'm not trying to stir up any controversy. I just want answers.

I've been on both sides in my life as a believer...to tithe or not tithe (but give).  

 

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Nevermind.

I'll let you and everyone off the hook.

Don't worry about answering. 

We IFBs claim we only stick to God's word...and we do...until our man-made doctrines take priority over what God's word actually teaches and says.

Have any of us actually studied the tithe, or have we just been satisfied to accept what we've been told?

On 5/25/2020 at 8:48 PM, John Young said:

I've also always considered the tithe more than just income but rather includes all that we have been blessed with. Time, talents, treasures, and our praises, etc

That sounds good, but it's not biblical concerning the tithe whatsoever. I'm sorry, but don't we want the truth of God's word instead of what we "consider"?

Here's a question for everyone...

Which takes priority...tithing or providing for your family?

There are consequences to both.

Don't answer here (or to yourself) unless you've had to make a decision between the two.

Now...at some point...please look up the answers for the questions that I posed...and ask yourself who changed the answers to what God's word clearly states. Did God EVER change those answers concerning the tithe that he COMMANDED, or did man change it?

I've made some friends here, and I'm grateful for that...but it's time for me to leave. I've preached tithing as hard as anyone in the past.

However, I will do what God's word teaches for New Testament believers...

1. Give as I purpose in my heart for the special offerings for others.

2. Give to help support my pastor.

Take care everyone. 

 

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3 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Nevermind.

I'll let you and everyone off the hook.

Don't worry about answering. 

We IFBs claim we only stick to God's word...and we do...until our man-made doctrines take priority over what God's word actually teaches and says.

Have any of us actually studied the tithe, or have we just been satisfied to accept what we've been told?

That sounds good, but it's not biblical concerning the tithe whatsoever. I'm sorry, but don't we want the truth of God's word instead of what we "consider"?

Here's a question for everyone...

Which takes priority...tithing or providing for your family?

There are consequences to both.

Don't answer here (or to yourself) unless you've had to make a decision between the two.

Now...at some point...please look up the answers for the questions that I posed...and ask yourself who changed the answers to what God's word clearly states. Did God EVER change those answers concerning the tithe that he COMMANDED, or did man change it?

I've made some friends here, and I'm grateful for that...but it's time for me to leave. I've preached tithing as hard as anyone in the past.

However, I will do what God's word teaches for New Testament believers...

1. Give as I purpose in my heart for the special offerings for others.

2. Give to help support my pastor.

Take care everyone. 

 

 

 

These are easy questions for me, for I am a evangelist, and I can speak freely.

1. Here's a question for everyone...Which takes priority...tithing or providing for your family?

Providing for your family.

2. . Give as I purpose in my heart for the special offerings for others?

Correct, this could mean give more than the tithe, to the church and others. 

Members here are afraid to talk about certain topics, like politics, sex, money and others things here. They are leaders in churches, and have to be more careful. 

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4 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

I've made some friends here, and I'm grateful for that...but it's time for me to leave.

Brother McWhorter, I pray that I am counted as one of those "friends;" for I certainly count you as such.  Even so, (if you are still paying attention) I would request that you would not leave Online Baptist completely over this matter.

On the other hand --

4 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

We IFBs claim we only stick to God's word...and we do...until our man-made doctrines take priority over what God's word actually teaches and says.

Sadly I have to agree that this happens far too often among the IFB movement.  Now, it is not that everyone should be compelled to agree with my given study of Scripture and resulting position.  Rather, it is that the IFB movement should be more open to honest and thorough questioning and study on any given matter (and I do mean THOROUGH, which will at times even push me harder and deeper in study).

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11 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Nevermind.

I'll let you and everyone off the hook.

Don't worry about answering. 

We IFBs claim we only stick to God's word...and we do...until our man-made doctrines take priority over what God's word actually teaches and says.

Have any of us actually studied the tithe, or have we just been satisfied to accept what we've been told?

That sounds good, but it's not biblical concerning the tithe whatsoever. I'm sorry, but don't we want the truth of God's word instead of what we "consider"?

Here's a question for everyone...

Which takes priority...tithing or providing for your family?

There are consequences to both.

Don't answer here (or to yourself) unless you've had to make a decision between the two.

Now...at some point...please look up the answers for the questions that I posed...and ask yourself who changed the answers to what God's word clearly states. Did God EVER change those answers concerning the tithe that he COMMANDED, or did man change it?

I've made some friends here, and I'm grateful for that...but it's time for me to leave. I've preached tithing as hard as anyone in the past.

However, I will do what God's word teaches for New Testament believers...

1. Give as I purpose in my heart for the special offerings for others.

2. Give to help support my pastor.

Take care everyone. 

 

When a younger IFB, (I became one in my 20's while in the Navy), I was, of course, brought up in the idea that the tithe was unquestionable, and absolute. I never bothered to question it-of course, I was learning so much new, but didn't do a lot of searching at the time. 

It wasn't until much later that my father gave me some of his old Bible college papers he had written, since I was preparing to become a pastor, and one the things he wrote was why He believed the tithe was not for today. I read it once and kind of poo-pooed it, but it stuck in my mind and I began to study it out and came to find that he had, indeed, done his homework, and was correct, that the only reason churches teach a tithe today is because they just seem to want that money and it is often easier to obtain by making it basically a matter of "you're stealing from God!', if you don't.

The Bible is really quite plain: the tithe was OT, it was, by the law, generally made up of foodstuffs, not money. Before the law there are only two instances of a tithe, or a tenth, and both were by choice: Abraham giving a tithe to Melchezidek,  which was only a one time deal, and it came from the things taken in the battle, not his own property. The other was Jacob, and his tenth had a condition attached to it, being that God returned him back to his father and homeland in peace, THEN he would give God "the tenth part', so it wasn't even so much the first tenth, but the tenth part; and we actually never see the fulfillment of this promise and how he did it. 

so pre-law tithing is very limited, purely voluntary, and each apparently single incidents. After the law we never see one place where it was given in money, gold, silver or any such thing, always food. And it WAS an aspect of the law.

The NT clearly teaches freewill giving, as we have been prospered by God.

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13 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Did God EVER change those answers concerning the tithe that he COMMANDED, or did man change it?

I've always taught a freewill tithe. The New Testament church is structured after the Melchizedek priesthood and Paul makes it clear that he has a right to be paid, as does other ministers of the Gospel. (1 Corinthians 9). If they are to be paid then our example to teach is the tithe but not of commandment or constraint but of a free will and cheerful heart. I've studied the tithe and Christian giving in depth at church as well, which can be found here for those interested in the freewill tithe of Christians: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPBnTVkjTpCIMXwSG6O5iqZUl3LCiqrGf

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13 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Which takes priority...tithing or providing for your family?

I've never had to decide between the two and they are both for my family's good. If I can't spare 10% of my worldly goods to provide for my spiritual family and the spiritual well being of my physical family then the 100% of my worldly goods going to only physical things won't help me or them either.

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Give with a cheerful heart, to your church, to your family, to your brother and sister in christ, to missionaries, and to the nonbeliever. 

 

YOU CAN DO IT...

dave keep GIF 

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On 5/25/2020 at 8:26 PM, Miss Daisy said:

yes, why wouldn't you? There's always something going on in the world to make an excuse not to tithe. Obviously, if you lost your job and have no income you cannot tithe. But if you get unemployment during this period, you should be tithing off of it.

Thank you for sharing, but if you don't tithe while receiving unemployment? This will not make you lose your salvation, or neither you are a weak christian. Like some christians might say.  

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On 5/31/2020 at 4:46 AM, No Nicolaitans said:

With all due respect, that's not tithing.

That's giving.

...which New Testament Christians are supposed to do.

I was unemployed but still had some income coming in so I gave. 🤷‍♂️

On 5/31/2020 at 2:47 PM, E Morales said:

Does God really need our money? His ministry will continue with your tithe or not, with a church building or not. Mans focus sometimes is on what he can see, and not in faith. If the Pastor knows how much you are tithing, this is sin. Because this brings favortizium.

I understand and sort of agree with your point. With us being a church plant, I have no choice but to take care of the finances (hopefully one day turn it over to someone). I will say this, those that don't give take up a good majority of my time outside of the pulpit. For me, I'm not going decide where my time/energy goes based on who or how much one gives. 

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57 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

I understand and sort of agree with your point. With us being a church plant, I have no choice but to take care of the finances (hopefully one day turn it over to someone). I will say this, those that don't give take up a good majority of my time outside of the pulpit. For me, I'm not going decide where my time/energy goes based on who or how much one gives. 

While we are not a church plant, we are in an area of very limited numbers. When I began the finances were taken care of by a lady who was very good with it. However they left, due to age, wanting to live near family, so the money was taken over by my wife and I, as we are quite small, and most of the people we deal with in our church have no ability to see to their own finances, much less the church's. As you probably agree, it is not a position I prefer to be in, BUT, since my wife and I, along with three people who aren't even part of our church anymore, are really the only ones who ever give, well, there's not much to work with anyways.

We once had a man who wanted a full accounting of the money coming in. He gave a couple times while there, but, again, while no one else was giving, and at this point, he had not for quite some time, I told him I would get him a list of bills and what came in, but he wanted a big accounting, and I told him, not giving himself, that he wasn't entitled to it. This was very shortly before we lost our building due to lack of giving, and I think he figured we were misusing the vast stores of riches that were coming in. 

Later, he left the church, but some of the younger members were still in contact with him, and he got them all fired up for an accounting of the money. Mind you, not ONE of these people ever gave a dime, even though some worked full time jobs. They said, What do you do with the offerings? I said, What offerings? I asked them, what offerings have you given that I need to account for, and of course, none could answer at all. However, my wife went over the entire last, like, five years of giving, (except what we gave, as it wasn't their business), to show that really, nothing was coming in. The bills were being paid primarily by us, only. They were pretty embarrassed and never asked again. Of course, not embarrassed enough to start giving. 

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