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One Reason I Don't Listen to Dr. Robert Jeffress, Pastor of the First Baptist Church in Dallas, TX



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I used to enjoy listening to Dr. Robert Jeffress several years ago, but he started to turn more political in nature in 2020 having former President Trumps Veep in his church "to give his testimony." Now, I've got nothing against having a political leader in to give their testimony of salvation...but it seemed to be more of a Trump rally than a worship service. This past week or so, Dr. Jeffress has decided that he can decisively say that there is no Scriptural reason for a person NOT to get the vaccines....I think he's crossed a line and is trying to take the position of the Holy Spirit in people's lives. I'm seeing quite a bit of this in nearly every sect of the Baptist church, and I truly find it disheartening. Preachers are NOT the "end all" or the decision makers for their members. They are to shepherd their flocks, not try to play the Holy Spirit, convicting others to do something. It's NOT his job. Of course, this is just MY OPINION. Others are allowed to have theirs....below is one of the articles that give an account of what Dr. Jeffress said. Some of the ones I could have used have disappeared as if to stop any damage that could be caused to Dr. Jeffress' ministry because of his speaking out. I also find this disconcerting. Dr. Jeffress is SBC, and a former SBC President. 

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2021/09/17/first-baptists-robert-jeffress-there-is-no-credible-religious-argument-against-the-vaccines/




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Herein lies the danger I am forever warning against: That danger is listening and watching preachers and services from churches other than your own.

For proof of the validity of this concern, just consider than this preacher has gone off the tracks and there  is no way to tell where or when else he has done so.

God put us in a local church for valid reasons, one of those reasons is so that we will not be exposed to things such as this that was posted, and especially from a preacher that is SBC. Many times those that follow these preachers from outside of their own church do not even realize that they are following a man instead of being Spirit led. This makes them susceptible to following false doctrine and error without many times even knowing it.

In posting about this issue, I especially noticed that Bro. Tony said this: "I'm seeing quite a bit of this in nearly every sect of the Baptist church". This would indicate to me that Bro. Tony is visiting many other churches, other than his own. But even more disturbing is his indication that he may think that Baptist means universal church. This is what is indicated when someone says, "the Baptist church", in the singular voice, but meaning all churches instead of local churches. When I hear this phrase I always want to ask, "which Baptist church?" 

Please understand that I am not picking on Bro. Tony here, I am specifically warning against following preachers other than our own and indicating the error of universal church as opposed to local church.

Just some thoughts as I read the forum early this morning and saw this post. If I offend anyone including Bro. Tony, please understand that is not my intention, my intention is simply to warn against error and preachers that have the capacity to lead others in their error.

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4 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Herein lies the danger I am forever warning against: That danger is listening and watching preachers and services from churches other than your own.

For proof of the validity of this concern, just consider than this preacher has gone off the tracks and there  is no way to tell where or when else he has done so.

God put us in a local church for valid reasons, one of those reasons is so that we will not be exposed to things such as this that was posted, and especially from a preacher that is SBC. Many times those that follow these preachers from outside of their own church do not even realize that they are following a man instead of being Spirit led. This makes them susceptible to following false doctrine and error without many times even knowing it.

In posting about this issue, I especially noticed that Bro. Tony said this: "I'm seeing quite a bit of this in nearly every sect of the Baptist church". This would indicate to me that Bro. Tony is visiting many other churches, other than his own. But even more disturbing is his indication that he may think that Baptist means universal church. This is what is indicated when someone says, "the Baptist church", in the singular voice, but meaning all churches instead of local churches. When I hear this phrase I always want to ask, "which Baptist church?" 

Please understand that I am not picking on Bro. Tony here, I am specifically warning against following preachers other than our own and indicating the error of universal church as opposed to local church.

Just some thoughts as I read the forum early this morning and saw this post. If I offend anyone including Bro. Tony, please understand that is not my intention, my intention is simply to warn against error and preachers that have the capacity to lead others in their error.

I take no offense at what you stated, Brother. For the record, I've been with the North Fork Baptist Church of Shelbyville, Tennessee for over five years. Before that my wife and I were members of a church in our area that split. I was a laypreacher for the church before it split, and then after serving AFTER the split, because of the anymosity towards the split, my wife and I went WiTH the split. As far as "visiting many different Baptist Churches" incorrect. We've belonged to several because of splits in churches, my being involved with other churches ministries, and helping to plant churches. So, no offense taken. You're always welcomed to have the opinion you have about listening to ones own pastor..and I have to say that I agree with that...they ARE the undershepherd for the people whom they have as church members and should take that very seriously. I should clarify that because this IS A BAPTIST board, that's why I specifically mention that I've seen it in many BAPTIST churches...not just over a period of a few years, but for over 50 years. I know it's present in every denomination. 

But, again, I want you to be assured that I take no offense here...just wanted to clarify some things. One last thing, because of health issues, I'm not always able to be in church physically. My own church doesn't put their services online any longer, so I am pretty much resigned to either watching other Baptist preachers, or preachers whom I know are doctrinally sound, and believe me, they are getting to be far a few between. Still, I do have spiritual discernment and know how to compare to Scripture what is being said. That's one reason I brought Jeffress' comments to the news cycle! 🙂 I used to listen to him years ago, but, during the Trump administration, he became far too political in nature for my tastes. My wife still listens to him, but I often hear her sayiing "Um...that's not right, Robert!" She starts pointing out in the Bible what's wrong with what he's said! I've taught her pretty well over the years. 🙂

Blessings, my friend and Brother! 

BT 

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I don’t know Dr. Roberts or ever listen to him preach, but I personally stay away from all mega churches. Many of those mega churches preachers are too involved in politics and they earn way too much money. How much is too much? let’s say that person can pay their house off, with what they earn in one year. I’m talking about a big house. What amazes me is that Christians say they deserve it, the blind following the blind. Sorry for changing the subject a bit.

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I have never heard Dr. Robert's preach, but I do agree with you that politics is becoming an issue with many pastors. I'm not talking about Biblical issues like abortion and homosexuality, but rather political issues like second amendment, election fraud, CRT and others. 

I may agree with what some of these pastors say, but there is no need for the pastor to tell people how to vote. Once the Word of God gets in ones life, they will know how to vote.

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